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    Hangars Liquides is closing!

    in General Discussion Forum

    Posted · Edited by TDD123

    16 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

    Look, sit down folks and take a step back. It is one thing to be passionate about a given thing or idea and quite another being presented here ...

    It is indeed a lovely place - one I need to return to and poke around in some more - but what is being said here by some of those wishing for it to remain simply gives a very bad image. 

    What Linden Lab is/is not doing with Mainland or their new Linden Homes project is irrelevant to the financial (and other) issues that this cluster of private islands is apparently going through. Like it or not, that is how it is on thatI

    Like to Qie, I' d have to say again, if only money should be talking, you are right.

    If only ... :|

    I' m stepping back for now.

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    1 minute ago, Drayke Newall said:

     You cannot blame Linden Lab for the closing of a sim like HL.

    I can and I will.

    2 minutes ago, Drayke Newall said:

    ...  suggesting mainland needs to go to support the creation of 1 individual's creation is arrogant to say the least.

    I never stated such thing. Mainland is not good promotion to SL. This sim is ; otherwise LL would not have used it RL as an impression how SL is IN GENERAL to the main audience.

    Should that audience be interested (again ) in SL in large(r) numbers, I doubt one could say : " Well, what we showed isn't there any longer, but look at all the mainland we kept.

    That is just, sorry to say to all that want this sim to cough up and just shut up, plain .. let' s say this mildly as I can ... silly.

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    Hangars Liquides is closing!

    in General Discussion Forum

    Posted · Edited by TDD123

    12 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

    Okay, I'll just ignore the Mainland thing, then, unless it's important to a point I'm missing

    Let me (re)phrase it in the context I suggested it.

    Killing off sims like HL into oblivion before mainland is transformed in the form of Bellisaria, is to me not minding pulling the trigger to shoot yourself in the foot while the gun is pointed at your head.

    That is the point I'm making with that.

    P.S. The moles did quite a good job on mainland to somehow keep together what has been abandoned in droves. I'm not suggesting mainland should just be tossed away in favour of this sim.

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    2 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

     If it's about the aesthetics of Mainland compared to Hangars... yeah, no, I'm still missing the causal linkage.

    To me it IS like Svarga .. and Svarga is still here. Svarga was advertised once as the best SL had to offer.

    This sim falls in that same category .. to me.

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    Posted · Edited by TDD123

    25 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

    I don't think it's useful to link Mainland's challenges to this, nor really to anything else. As a business, Mainland is a delicate balancing act that improved substantially with the reduced tier and increased Premium "bonus" allotment -- and is now feeling pressure again from the new Linden Homes. In any case, though, "cleaning up" Mainland is never going to free up a bunch of resources to be given over to other uses. It's the same fallacy as looking at the cost of basic hosting and wondering why SL costs haven't fallen accordingly, or expecting vast savings by cutting hosting costs with idle sim detection and now migrating to the cloud: the cost of simply keeping those sims running is and always has been a tiny fraction of the cost of keeping Second Life a viable platform. Sure, it's good for the environment to shut down hosts when possible, and it might even slightly benefit LL's balance sheet, but none of it will free up a windfall of even greater profitability to subsidize this or any other noble cause.

    Now you, only, are talking money here. LL must caching. NOT making LL caching means ' off with the head' without consideration.

    In case of this particuluar sim, I beg to differ that that should be the only matter involved.

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    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    Posted · Edited by TDD123

    13 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:

    So... the ask is not to merely preserve the region as with Svarga et al., but to keep it operating as is?

    By others .. not by me.

    If all fails, I want it at least this sim preverved for our SL future ( only to see what was / is possible with high levels of quaulity. ).

    I want the preservation for all of us, while SL is still around.

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    Posted · Edited by TDD123

    22 minutes ago, Mollymews said:

    Is also true that we agree that they can do this.

    Oh yeah , I get that  .. and again .. legalese... what goes for you must go for me. If I build anything LL may keep it for itself and can do with it what it wants. I can deanl with that damage.

    (sound of tumble weed passing by)

     

    But honestly .. this work of art is way out of my league.  It's another level of design that few would top in cyberspace SL. It was mesh at it's finest. It was as if Blade Runner' city feel came to life.

     

    It still impresses me to this day. I'm certain it will do so for residents to come.

    If THAT is what LL wants they should defenitely preserve it.

     

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    Posted · Edited by TDD123

    6 minutes ago, Fionalein said:

    err with the TOS changes of 2013 the craetor agreed to that - they could have closed the sim back then instead of continuing under the new TOS that allows LL to use their content...

    If copyright was embedded in DNA none of us would be.

    For me it's not about legalese. That's should not destroy the little beauty we have left in this world. I will not convince you of that. You have your imagaination. I have mine.

     

    I do want LLto know that destroying these sims first before cleaning up mainlaind is not good for anyone involved in Second Life.

    Hangars Liquides is closing!

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    Posted · Edited by TDD123

    1 hour ago, Fionalein said:

    @Topic I find it funny how the picture painted in this thread differs from the info the creator gave in the NWN blog... just saying ;)

    Heard ya.

    So far I understand there is a dispute in how to keep the sim running. Lindenlab gave the creator a morbid ( regarding the sim ) choice :

    1. Either the non-profit status is withdrawn. ( Because of the commerce held there ).
    2. Or the sim  retains the status if all commercial activity is removed.

    The creator has had this commerce on her sim to cover expenditure which were left, eventhough she was allowed discount based on her non-profit status. But the creator cannot cover these expenditures anymore when all commerce ( residentials and stores ) is gone.

    I have no idea really about figures ( well sorta, but not quite ) but my guess is the coverage of the monthly tier is done by rentals. Stores might bring some extra, but I have no insight on how much is sold which "rains into Djehan' pockets" and is spend irresponsibly.

    The creator is also angry over one thing : Second Life presented itself on Oprah with imagery of Hangars Liquides for promotional purposes. She was not compensated for that. Kinda strange for a company which holds on so tight on copyright and IP.

    It's all data. It can always be resurrected. as long as  the database is intact and this specific server of LL' undoubtedly large server-park keeps running for it.  These 5 regions are a fraction of the world map. These 'costs' are negligable.

    The loss to me as a resident is very unsettling.

    It is what makes Second Life beautiful to me.

     

    I have yet to speak to her. This is based on what I know of the sim itself by visits and the events over the past hours.

    I Will not accept Tilia

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    Posted · Edited by TDD123

    The OP's post might have been redundant, but the reactions show the subject is still alive and will be until said date. So this works apparantly as a venting mechanism.

    The course is inevitable. And all of us will have to comply.

    It's true this is all ambient noise that will fade.

     

    Until the next change.

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