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'Damp Sorrow' from ' Lights under the mist' by Shakeno.

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On 9/12/2019 at 9:30 PM, VictoriaGrwd said:

 VictoriaGrwd posted beautiful pictures of herself.

You' d make a beautiful Nanite Unit ... ^^

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So ... yet ..  as a final from me ...

Hangars Liquides is NOT closing !

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2 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

 What you do need to do is reach out to, and connect with, those who love it, or those who would love it if they visited it. People respond better to a passion that articulates itself in positive ways.

I need not to do anythinbg of the sort anymore. I tried. Got ridiculed. Sneered at. All over the thread. I repeatedly told this was from an end user perspective, not affiliated with the sim ( which I am now by donations ). I was never their spokesperson to begin with.

Maybe the passion for landbusiness and profitmargins and everything it destroys could be lessened as well. Not hearing anything about that either.

I tried Scylla. And I simply give up.

But thanks for the lead in. I have no more business in these forums. And I will never return. It's over for me.

Goodbye.

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2 minutes ago, kiramanell said:

 But I thank you again for telling this story; and if I close my eyes, I can almost feel like I'm there.

/me slaps kiramanell gently but decidedly over the head.

Are you crazy ? They're just trying to make you feel the same melancholy towards Hangars Liquides. already.Like nothing can be done no more.

Hangars Liquides is still there. It should not surrender like that.

 

( But admitted .. those are fine examples of beauty regrettably lost to SL forever )

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I heard Engliishman In New York by Sting , but still take coffee and toasts done on both sides. And no that has no artistic meaning. I just like coffee and toast that way.

Your point being ?

 

I really had enough with this useless battering.

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5 minutes ago, Solar Legion said:

Sorry, (not sorry) - no.

No organization decides what qualifies as "art" outside of their organization - they give an opinion, one which others can treat however they like.

That is the cold, harsh reality.

I'd consider somebody an artist exposing at the Biennale. You perhaps don't, but I do have to consider your opninion, like min. is based on squat.

I'd rather take their opinion, as a company, than your individual one.

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1 minute ago, Fionalein said:

I hate to tell the hard cold truth here but in that LL would benefit more if Hangars is closing in SL - as Djehan proposed to porbably move on to SANSAR in that case...

Then here's your mirror again : You are destroying SecondLife like this,. It will just stay this niche for digitial humping with all sorts of loose morals tath endangering it's publicity and retention to the point that no one will ever care for it anymore.

Suit yourself.

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54 minutes ago, Kyrah Abattoir said:

Sorry to make a slight correction but what you actually mean is "we support art we like".

Vincent van Gogh's work was only recognized after his death.

Now here's the rub : you call yourself on your website a 3D artist. Which is however a matter of taste. You can call yourself that all day long, but I will never agree to that.

It's harder to say that about somebody exposing at the Biennale. That is recognition. In our lifetimes.

You do not decide what is art. I don't. The Biennale does.

And you were not chosen.

 

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What about my angst ?

A traditional cynical cis-gendered male as subtle as an old fart needs to preserve art within the slendering digital environment of Dionysus' uncaring children.

Woe on all of us.

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10 minutes ago, Scylla Rhiadra said:

The solution, I think, is to count as NPOs only those organizations that have that certified status in RL. And that's probably going to rule out Hangars Liquides.

Association Loi 1901 (France) - Identification R.N.A. : W642000508 which is 501(c) compliant.

What probability are you referring to ?

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35 minutes ago, Love Zhaoying said:

Can’t they rebuild it in Sansar? Cheaper there.

No.

I asked that directly to the creator and she said she will not re-create. If / when she turns fully dedicated to Sansar it will be by a whole new work.

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As far as me, the 'rules' and non-profits go.

Regarding real world non-profit status and non-profit status within the ToS and Second Life I make a graver disticntion than others seem to do.

The laws of my own country and business conduct of non-profits means exactlly that. 0 profit. A perfect banlance in any economical activity they undertake. Economic activities however can shift to extra costs, but also extra profit. Non-profits can have positive balance. I however do not know what non-profits do with htat balance after that.

To me that means non-profits can participate with the inworld economy, as long as not money is exported to real life funds. Would seem rule number 1 to me.

 

I cannot account for both Lindenlab and the sim' actions towards these statuses. I also did not make up the ToS. If I had, the above  would certainly have been included.

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1 minute ago, Orwar said:

The defensive line of the supporters has rather constantly been "it's art", which is a very vague term; I'm not disputing the beauty of the build, I think it looks amazing - but that's not the point.

Picking out this one particularly.

Yes Orwar, that IS the point. And it's everything but vague. The sim has had critical appraisal from  art critics and admirers in the real world.  You can check that out on the internet. That is (also) why this sim is important to me.

ACTUAL ART IS BEYING DESTROYED !!!

Please let taht sink in a while. For just a bit. And the implication to Secondlife and Lindenlab towards art as a whole. Because of digital fake land.

That is a point, that is, indiscussable with me. You don't destroy real art over fake land.

I hope we understand eachother better now.

 

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51 minutes ago, Dhyaanee said:

What kind of art collective is this? Did someone say it was in France? But that's why you get a discount right, because it is non-profit and you teach or help artists there?

Hi,

You would need to take up those quesitons with others representing the sim although I did meet it's creator.

The creator is a real life artist expositioning in the real world regarding VR and AR. Hangars Liquides, names after a French music label, is one of her digital works as such. Problem for her is this digital artwork, made years ago, cannot just be exported to the outside world or other digital environments ( reasons the creator could describe a lot better, but I am, again, not at liberty to speak for her here. )

The creator / artist is licensed as such in France as a non-profit. Which gives her, by international standards, the same status as a non-profit the U.S. and  in Second Life. Lindenlab expects certain conduct regarding non-profits in SL, who register as such.

But you need your specific questions about that forwarded to them or their ToS.

Reasons over discounts and ToS and Lindenlab are also not my subject. I simply cannot answer that for you.  It's highly and vigorously debated here. The topic over discounts seems to be a sensitive one as far as I've experienced in this thread and perhaps will set an important precedent to others in the direct future.

The purpose of this particular sim is that it is an actual work of art. The whole sim with regions  in t's current state.And has had real world recognition as such. That recognition has been granted, it had public appearances and showcases at what was possible in Second Life. Regarding the educational status of that I can, again, give you no good answer. I could drag on about how this sim refers to anything great about cybernetic, cyberpunk, dystopia, French scifi-culture, American SciFi culture, cinemaphotography. Names like Fritz Lang, Moebius, Ridley Scott ( Bladerunner ), Verne ) .. thousands of things come to my mind when seeing it.

It teaches one a lot. Qualifies for me as educational.

 

To my understanding a non-profit may not generate persnoal income in real life. That was never the creators intend. Any commercial activity she ever did, AFAIK,  was to compensate for the minimal costs to square even. She cannot fund this sim by personal means. ETA : There is a fundraiser campaign  now going on to cover the expenses for the coming half year, due August 1st.

Again .. this all from my subjective SL end-user point of view.