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On 5/31/2019 at 8:34 PM, LittleMe Jewell said:
Increasing the stipend to offset the increase makes no sense if LL's goal is to bring in more money.
What group out there costs L$5,000 - L$12,500 to join?
DRD Shadow box, DFS Stash Box $2,500L per month (you get ejected and need to repay to get back in) , and several other specialized groups that you have to pay each month in order to receive special gifts... You get ejected at the end of each month, and need to repay to get back in. There are tons of groups like this... The money is worth it for the groups mentioned plus a few others I am personally in. But since free accounts are now keeping their group limit of 42, this is moot.
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21 minutes ago, Selene Gregoire said:
There are those who simply can not wrap their brains around LSL well enough to be able to write scripts. I'm one of them. Sure, I can do a bit of editing on settings but that's it. The reason I can't comprehend LSL is due to TBI.
My point is, some of us are not capable due to health issues/disabilities.I feel that should always be taken into consideration when suggesting someone write scripts for themselves.
I don't think I could say that any better.... Exactly right.
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2 minutes ago, CoffeeDujour said:
... you can't afford to budget $100 a year, but are ok spending $20 - $50 to join a group.
Again you missed the point of a ONE TIME FEE!! Meaning these groups were paid back in 2009, 2016 - 2017.
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45 minutes ago, CoffeeDujour said:
Get a premium account.
Or accept that there has been a minor downgrade to a completely free service that no one is forced to use.
So you paid literal pennies to join some group however long ago.
Stop making me want to post Veruca Salt memes.
I have a Premium account, however, that is budgeted a year in advance. $100 may not seem like a lot to you, but it is way too much when you're not getting enough benefits to warrant it. Not everyone wants the free house or buy sims. The stipend was the reason I paid, and that should be going up in order to make the increase worth it. These paid groups cost in RL at least $20 - $50 a group as a ONE time fee to join. Leaving those groups are NOT an option. Those free accounts have done more for SL then you think they did. Real Life colleges and Universities actually conduced classes here once upon a time, now that they are almost all gone, with a few hidden ones who were able to remain.. These were made up of many free accounts because of a grant. Losing groups is NOT a minor downgrade, it's a major one if you have all the spots filled up with viable Important groups...
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Those subscriber things Only allow for ONE, You have to buy a different subscriber for each group you wish to transfer to a subscriber. There's only 2 free ones that I've found so far... If there are More I haven't found them yet. Buying a subscriber … I don't have enough members to warrant it.
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25 minutes ago, Chic Aeon said:
Not knocking free accounts. Until last month I had been one for over eleven years and I make a TON OF CONTENT. But The Lab doesn't get vert little DIRECT income from free accounts. They do not get tier payments or membership fees. They do get the cash out fees IF the free account makes enough money to cash out. That percentage of people has got to be pretty low --- overall.
Seriously???? How would you know what basic members contribute.. If it wasn't for free accounts, there most likely wouldn't be SL. Also, I know lots of free accounts who not only made enough to cash out, but DID NOT! Again, if not for the Basic accounts, I can guarantee, SL would not STILL exist. There is way more Free Accounts then there is Premium Accounts on SL.
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2 hours ago, ananoelle said:
If you can afford $50 usd or twice that a month then premium shouldnt be a problem for you if your not already.
Grumpity has explained the reasons for lowering groups for basic accounts. See her post for clarification.
Who the heck is Grumpity and what does she expect people who had to pay to join those 42 groups to do now???
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10 hours ago, Chic Aeon said:
Look at this realistically -- not from "your" point of view (and I know that is always difficult).
It cost LL almost nothing (just some programming time) to switch some group slots FROM "free users" TO "paid users". Personally I care nothing about group slots as I use 20.
LL is trying to balance things a bit better. Most "free" folks have the option to go premium if they choose. If groups are all that important to them, then perhaps they will.
IF a ton of free members leave and THAT translates to a HUGE reduction on the Marketplace, then maybe The Lab will rethink, but honestly I don't believe it will happen. Most of the basic membership folks that I know (and I was one for over ten years) spend some money but not tons. There are oh so many "free" citizens that NEVER spend money -- hence LL gets no income from them in any way. The freebie society is a good and viable one, but it doesn't pay the bills on the servers and for the employees.
We all have choices. It looks like this will cost me about $150 US more each year. I could leave my new premium and give up my Bellisseria home and get rid of my land and only sell on the Marketplace. That doesn't make much sense to me. That is $12.50 a month or so. Many folks pay more than that for an online game that they play once and discard.
I know some "Free" members who not only paid a lot into SL but also created some valuable content that LL even integrated into it's permanent content. DO NOT KNOCK down free accounts, They did a lot more than you think. Those 42 groups in my accounts are paid groups, with only maybe 4 of my personal work / business groups. I can't leave any of them if I want to keep my business and I definitely can't afford to go Premium now with the price increase. I do not and will never cash out.
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Definitely unfair for those who have been faithful for 10+ years, and now getting "rewarded" with "making it harder to keep premium accounts, or buy new premium accounts.
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It's greed... $20+ is too much of an increase at once. I budget a year in advance.... I have no idea where I can get the extra funds now...
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I ONLY buy on Marketplace. I hate stores that spam you with group joins the minute you land. This is going to mess me up big time. No way I can come up with $200 by June 24. All my groups are ones I had tp pay to join....
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Maybe it was viewer based, cause I've deleted owners from groups until 2008/09 using OnRez viewer. Anyway, I got 2 of the members to leave, and as soon as the 3rd one logs in and I explain things, I know he will leave too.
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I've been in SL since 2007, I was only off SL for 2 years, (2014 - 2016) the group in question was made in Dec 2017.
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I never left the group, I'm still owner. I wasn't gone but a month. ( between the time I created the group and finding out they made everyone owners )( I was on an alt during that time. ) But a founder needs to be careful about what they name their groups. I use a subscription option for businesses. So I don't use groups for stores or businesses that might get sold or given away.
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I know, but it used to be where owners could delete owners. I'm saying LL should bring that option back except only to FOUNDERs and that you can't make anyone else a founder.
When I started SL, groups still had the polling option as well as an option to rank people...
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That's the problem, I didn't make them an owner, (hence the part of me changing my password before posting). Though that is something LL should bring back with a few changes, Previously an owner can remove another owner but that became the reason for that not being allowed anymore, so change that to where Only a founder is allowed to remove or add Owners, An owner won't be allowed this option anymore.
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I'm still owner of the group. The person who added all these owners was not given permission to.
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Thank You. Since there is only 6 total in the group, maybe I might have a better chance. Giving these others a chance to do the right thing first before I invoke the Ticket process...Again thanks for the info and hope I don't have to find out the odds...
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I've not logged in for awhile and as I was about to deed a group to land, when I found that all members were now made Owners. I am the founder of the group. I did not authorize this change and I have just changed my password before making this post. What do I do to get these people removed from Owner status without making a new group???
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I recently logged out of the viewer to clear cache, I log back in to the message "failed to find clothing 'item' in database" but the item in question still shows up being in inventory but I can't wear them. I did all the steps already, Cleared cache, changed viewers, changed locations inworld, and still the items fail. Please help me be able to wear these.
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Not true, You definitely can have the same group name as before. Unless they changed that in the past year, but I've been able to resurrect an old deleted group name without any problem. Just in case, you can always add symbols to recreate that group
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The top of this website is actually 4 colors. Black, white, green and grey. I can't see the green nor the grey. My daughter told me the green text at the top right say "My Settings, Community Guidelines, Sign Out, there's also a green hand on the left with the words "SecondLife" in grey. .
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I certainly hope you don't have any vision problems then. I can't handle the black/green; black/gray LL seems to love using, it gives me horrible headacles. I prefer the blue of the silver skin as I can actually see the text and everything else real well. Even the top of this website is hard to read. All I actually see is the bright white text at the top and the rest of the page. I can't see any other links but when I hover over a spot I know I've came across a link when the little hand appears.
There are blind people using SL including those who are color blind. LL needs to respect that and make it easier for those to enjoy SL, not take away things that help them function like everyone else can. Removing the silver skin in Viewer 2, they've made it very difficult for many to see what they're doing.
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My mom actually does want that car. She absolutely hates having all those gadgets... I too like the 1.23.5 viewer. For me, it is the only thing that actually does work on my computer. I've tried both the viewer 2 and 3. and they are much slower. My computer is brand new 16gb RAM 3T Hard drive and a 256 hard drive added. And compared to Viewer 2 and 3, the old 1.23.5 runs faster... Go figure!
First they added system folders that no one asked for. Extra calling card folders that are redundant. I delete ALL my calling cards, why should I have to keep that damn folder around when I never use it??
If LL cared at all about its user base, they would at least make it easier to customize their interface, including being able to delete those extra system folders they added with Viewer 2. They would also bring back the silver skin option. I can't see anything with the new viewer, the buttons and text are way way too dark.
I wonder if LL forgot that they do have vision impaired users who can't see dark colors. Black and green, black and grey don't mix too well for some people, including me.
So as one other poster stated. Until they block 1.23.5 from accessing SL, that's the viewer I will continue to use.
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What are your opinions on the new "Land Price Reductions, New Premium Perks, and Pricing Changes "?
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Posted · Edited by LadyJane Bailey
That is your opinion, but the groups mentioned (Especially DFS) actually do GIVE GIFTs, you're only paying for the special boxes that do NOT get sold in their store or on MP. Unless someone who received the item decides to sell it on their personal MP, these items can only come from being in the group. They also for the time you are in the group, will give you free items that can be purchased in their store. There is a difference. You DO NOT have to join every month either, you can pick which ones you want to get, they are themed. You can choose to join for the Christmas box or the Halloween box. ALSO The owner of DFS actually does call it A gift Box, Special Gift...