Red2Blaze Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Hi guys, not sure if these is the right place to suggest/ask these, but doing so any way :PIf its the worng place please do tell me So dose anyone know? will Second Life support HTC Vive VR head set in some point? is there any plans for it?I know it needs to support the Oculus Rift but the only one i know that is getting one is getting the HTC Vive, and i want to know if il be able to use Second life while using it, if i get to leand it Thanks :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalates Urriah Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Support for mobile devices is problematic. Mobile devices do NOT have the rendering power needed to render a virtual world. Nor will they have for some years. SL will NOT be able to support Oculus Rift type VR headsets. SL has made a VR compatible viewer. You'll find it in Official Alrernate Viewers. But, SL is very likely to produce a high degree of simulator sickness. That is the reason Project Sansar is being developed. Second Life does work with cloud-rendered viewers. See: https://www.brightcanopy.com/ It isn't free. The rendering is done in the cloud, not in the mobile device. This will probably be true for Sansar as well. Ebbe, Linden CEO, has said they haven't looked in detail at streaming as they are hoping tech and pricing will stabilize so we see competitive pricing. Until then he doesn't expect to support mobile. What you suggest is currently outside the tech envelope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Nalates Urriah wrote: Support for mobile devices is problematic. Mobile devices do NOT have the rendering power needed to render a virtual world. Nor will they have for some years. Although one doesn't expect a company like HTC to make anything but cell phones, HTC vibe is not a "mobile device", it's a full on VR headset with motion sensing, full room in fact so it exceeds the Rift, and hand paddles. It's not really so different to what the Occulus Rift is. One's video card does the rendering, and that video card needs to be powerful to be able to send data fast enough to the display inside the headset. But yeah, any 9xx series NVidia or greater really. I have hopes that someone will hack in the changes to the code so it works on the Vibe too - and theoretically it would be just as possible as the Rift I would guess, but I doubt it will be the Lab. If I have my history right, the TPV that supports the Occulus Rift is using the patch from about hmmm, 2010 that created analglyphs. They worked hard, did a great job, and bought that up to date to be compatible with the rift (I welcome them to correct me). In the grand scheme of things it should be no harder to support the Vive, or any other headset that follows.... just have to tempt a TPV dev hard enough. OP, Maybe, buy one a Vibe and say "want to try getting this working!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Sorry for not been clear on what the HTC Vive is, that it's a full VR headset But any way thanks for the info looks interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Well from what I understand it depends on how they build it, the Rift has its drivers (sdk?) That only it can use, Vive use an openVR that any device use as well as the Rift As the VR support is not so new I think it is likely made with the Rift only Any way interesting stuff thanks PS I wish but I can't even buy for my self going to use a a friend's most likely Maybe I'll make them one in-world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum Meriman Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Red2Blaze wrote: Well from what I understand it depends on how they build it, the Rift has its drivers (sdk?) That only it can use, Vive use an openVR that any device use as well as the Rift As the VR support is not so new I think it is likely made with the Rift only SDK or the API is different yes. Luckily both of them interface nicely down to OpenGL, which is what SL is based on. I am hoping too for the Vibe in SL, I know another virtual world I shouldn't mention here can use the Vibe, but that's still in open alpha with about 48 "sims" only. I wouldn't give up on it being supported in SL, it's a way better headset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 O.. well no idea just remmber someone saying SDK someone API no idea what's what Is there a problem saying outher VW in here? I hope so too, may start sending free Vive to water in SL to ask for support Congrats on becoming a member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocco Fetuccio Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 No, your question was asked right. I had no idea what the vibe was, but assumed it was a VR headset since you asked about it in the same post comparing it to a VR headset. It def wasn't your fault, you were perfectly clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rai Fargis Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Hi Red2Blaze. I was in Second Life with my Oculus Rift Development Kit 2 last night, using Linden Lab's Project Oculus SL Viewer and Oculus runtime 0.5. Linden Lab is still planning to produce a new VR viewer for the consumer version of the Rift using runtime 1.3. There is also a third-party viewer for the Rift from CtrlAltStudio. You are also wrong about everyone getting motion sick from Second Life in the Rift. Yes, SL's framerate is low and therefore it is not as comfortable as other VR experiences. However, using VR is something the brain gets used to the more you use it. Back in the year 2013, when I received my first Oculus Rift devkit, I used to get sick in VR after only 20 minutes. Nowadays with the DK2 I can stay in Second Life for 5 hours or more, cam zooming wildly, without ever getting motion sick. Sansar will be great, I am sure. But don't write off Second Life as a great platform for VR headsets so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 thanks for the info good to know they keep working on it for the rift but I really like to know but the Vive, as I know someone who is getting one, but I know nobody that is getting a rift abut motion sickness was that detected at me? I don't think I said anything abut that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imnotgoing Sideways Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Vive owner here and I been spending a few frustrating days trying to get SL to be friendly with it. No luck so far. Getting the project client to recognize that my GTX980 supports the necessary sharders alone was a sanity challenger. (._.) I plan to tinker with AltspaceVR and give Steam's SurrealVR a go. But, so far, nothing compares to SL. (>_<) CtrlAltStudio seems impossible as well, given they quit updating the project half a year ago. (T_T) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 owww that dose not sound good well i do hope someone gets on it.. maybe il get lucky and get my friend to do it.. even that with there free time i don't think its really likely.. any way thanks for the info ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skimi Mission Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Also a Vive User here. Its a pity, that Lindens provide no information about using a Vive with SL. Or maybe I missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Well from what i can see they did not update much abut the Oculus Rift from 2014.. Not sure if they even updated that viewer from then, so maybe they just abanded it? :matte-motes-crying: If they did not i really hope they add support for the HTC Vive.. i mean from what i understand it uses OpenVR, that is basiclly allowing any VR device to use it, so if they support it, they will support all the devices that will come later on, as well as the Oculus Rift in one pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted April 21, 2016 Author Share Posted April 21, 2016 If anyone like i made a free Cardboard for now: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Cardboard/8968623 Going to make also a model for the HTC Vive (but from mesh likely) for fun, and allow it to be used if your using it in RL for SL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zobeid Zuma Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 I just got my shipping notice today, and my Vive should be here monday. Not a dev kit, but the real thing. I'm sure it'll come with enough games to keep me busy for a while, but I've got to say I'm a littled worried by all the silence from Linden Labs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drailz Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 I am very sure its possible to get the htc vive working on SL VR viewer, but i dont have the knowledge for that. I wish i could get my HTC vive working with it tho, just gotto wait for project sansar i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaser Zaks Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 By the time I get my Vive, if no one has started working on a viewer that supports it, I'll write a viewer that does support the vive. So there will be a viewer that supports it. In fact, it's one of the very reasons that I filed this suggestion https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-11851 Of course with SL's framerate issues, there are some optimizations that will be required, I already have a few in mind(these cannot be added into regular viewers due to removal of stuff people use). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyW Blackburn Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Add me as another who owns an HTC vive and would love to see some SL support for it in Linden or third-party viewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 Not sure if i am using it right, but i did open a reqrest/suggestion on the Second Life Jira now: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-18228 Hope i did it right :cattongue: Ok working on a real model of HTC Vive now, hopfully il get how to do it right, going to spread them out for free, in a way i hope to show who wants support (and maybe later on be used when someone want to show there using it) so far my friend seem to be too busy to work on a support for VR in a viewer, so i guess that is off the table for now from my side , at least up to when they get more time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinsin Naxos Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Not the most optimal solution but theres one way you can play SL with the VIVE; I use Virtual Desktop with Firestorm and it runs fine; not 'true VR' but funtional and amusing. Secondly, has anyone tried to use the REVIVE projects injection into SL viewer, not sure if it'd work and not interested enough in trying it; but revive does convert several Oculus-running games into Vive usable. Might try it myself in .. well, days/weeks when I'm not so busy/interested in other stuff, like Dishonored/Subnatica .. but still! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 I want true SL VR too picky for less and SL dose not work for CV1 yet, not sure re-vive will work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 two things 1. seem we got an update on the request by Linden, even that i do not understand what they did dose any one else get it? what dose "Triaged" mean? second, seems there is a voting things on bugs, so i guess giving it a "like" for the bug may help to push LL to do it so maybe worth doing it: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/BUG-18228?page=com.googlecode.jira-suite-utilities:transitions-summary-tabpanel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megumi Abrastraza Posted June 9, 2016 Share Posted June 9, 2016 "Triaged" means separated by severity. It comes from the medical profession where you need to triage your patients by order of severity from minor cuts and bruises to the life threatening so you can treat the patients who are closest to death first before you take care of patients who don't need immediate assistance. In the software/programming world it means to address the critical bugs before you address minor features. In terms of necessity, VR isn't very high on the list. Something like fixing a security vulnerability or exploit will demand immediate attention while VR would be nice to have but isn't necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red2Blaze Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 Thanks for exsplining not sure if i am sad or glad to get any reply from them abut it but i guess can just wait and hope for the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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