Illegal machines sold in the marketplace

[AlexandriteGem]

My boyfriend and I recently purchased some machines from the marketplace, for his land. Some of them are:

 

Skillingo https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Skillingo-5-machines/2673727

Tuingo https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Tuingo-Game-70/1009435

Gyngo https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Gyngo/5920107

Card slot machine https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Card-Slot-Machine-Full-Version/3134503

Bunny machine https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/Earn-L-hosting-this-Rabbit-Multiplayer-Skill-Game-in-your-land/3060711

 

Someone told me they are illegal. Can anyone please confirm or deny this? If they are indeed illegal, I want to know how they are allowed to be sold in the marketplace and how I go about to report the seller and get our payment back.

 

Thanks!

 

[LlazarusLlong]

Caveat emptor

[Whiteangel Falconvale]

If they are set up as Freeplay machines then they are fine. If you require residents to pay money to play them, then yes it goes against the skill gaming rule. Below it the link to the skill gaming FAQ I hope that helps

 

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Second_Life_Skill_Gaming_FAQ

[Sassy Romano]

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AlexandriteGem wrote:

I want to know how they are allowed to be sold in the marketplace and how I go about to report the seller and get our payment back.

 

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Because they were there BEFORE LL introduced the new rules and there was no requirement (or thought) to remove them.

I'll bet that LL fob you off with "Resident to resident issue".

While basking in the commission that they just took selling games that are disallowed under their own rules.

:heart: SL

[AlexandriteGem]

So, the bottomline is, they were purchased on the marketplace legally because they were there before, have not been taken down or sellers prohibited from selling them, therefore it is OK to own and use them?

 

Thanks

[BarcodeBrian]

It is ok to own and use them provided you follow skill gaming policies (gaming region, doc's, and all), legal requirements, etc.

Were they expensive? How much would you spend on something like that without knowing what it was?

[Sassy Romano]

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AlexandriteGem wrote:

So, the bottomline is, they were purchased on the marketplace legally because they were there before, have not been taken down or sellers prohibited from selling them, therefore it is OK to own and use them?

 

Thanks

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Nobody has said that, you have been given a link to the current gaming policy, the suggestion is that you read and understand the content of that text.  There has been far too much discussion in various threads about it, there's no point asking for legal council here.

[LlazarusLlong]

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AlexandriteGem wrote:

So, the bottomline is, they were purchased on the marketplace legally because they were there before, have not been taken down or sellers prohibited from selling them, therefore it is OK to own and use them?

 

Thanks

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Yep. Just like rl guns.

Except, rather than just being banned, you could get the chair if you use them to do something illegal.

[AlexandriteGem]

The point is, Linden being aware of the sale of these machines in the marketplace and not taking them down or forcing creators to modify me is intriguing...

 

I came to learn of this policy only when we asked someone in a casino to put a machine in his land. They were purchased innocently and the comments in many make reference to the easy way to make a little income. And nobody is banned...

[LlazarusLlong]

Ignorance of the law is never a valid defence.

[AlexandriteGem]

Yeah well go figure who buys something in the marketplace that Linden allows the sale of and turns out the laws for its use changed.... BUT they are still on sale!

 

Nice going

[Sassy Romano]

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AlexandriteGem wrote:

. BUT they are still on sale!

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Because there was never a sweep or any coherent LL plan to remove them from MP.

The problem with MP is that it's very badly managed.  I've just looked through someones store, 286 pages (I didn't see all) with the same generic keywords for just about every item where only one keyword changed and that was the product title.  Irrelevant since title is already searchable.

Is anyone going to flag all 3000+ items for keyword spamming?  No.

Just as the seller may have left, given up bothering etc. so unless there's a positive sweep by LL, products will just sit dormant on MP.

I've regularly asked that there be a requirement from merchants to "touch" each listing in some way, to re-activate a listing and keep it alive, this way old stale things with dead merchants would fall away.

 

[BarcodeBrian]

There's no reason for anything to change on the Marketplace about them. No matter what laws or rules change, they are still for sale - legally.

There is also no reason to try passing the blame to someone else for you not knowing laws and regulations.

[AlexandriteGem]

If I pass the blame on someone it is on LL, my dear. With every right to. What they don't tell me, I do not know. Especially not from innocently purchasing machines on THEIR marketplace.

Be well.

[Amethyst Jetaime]

LL did tell you about it.  It was blogged about and that blog entry would have appeared on your dashboard. It isn't their fault you don't pay attention.  Do you expect them to IM you personally?  It is your responsibility to keep up with published changes like this.

Granted it would have been nice if LL had removed them from the MP, but the TOS makes it clear that you buy under a "buyer beware" policy.

Have you contacted the seller and asked for a refund?  Did you flag the items in the MP?