Kwakkelde Kwak
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Morgaine Christensen wrote:But, it seems to me there are only so many ways of doing things in SL before you start getting overlaps of ideas EVEN if folks have never seen the work of others to be influenced by or make derivatives of.
You don't have to reinvent the wheel, 99.99% of everything new and creative and original is influenced by some other things. That's how progress works, take what's available, give your own spin to it and improve it. I wouldn't worry about being one of 99.99%.
Morgaine Christensen wrote:So, if you study art of the Medieval Period (or any clothing period for that matter) and find a particular artistic rendition of a dress you would like to re-create as a dress in SL , would the new creation be "influenced by" or a "derivative of" that piece of Medieval artwork? You are not re-creating the painting itself but an element of that painting., and yet, you are not re-creating the original element because you are using a different medium than used in the original (i.e. flat looking painted dress that you can only see part of turned into a 3-d version, where you have had to extrapolate all the details in what you think the original might have looked like during the period).
The design could theoretically be copyrighted, but it's not for two reasons i can think of. First is I don't hink there were any copyrights in the Middle Ages and if there were they would have expired:)...Secondly copyrighting a design is useless since all one has to do is change a small thing and it's allowed. Chosen had a link to a nice YouTube on this...
Morgaine Christensen wrote:Due to the limitations of the tools and the SL World, much of what I see in SL would be derivatives of the work of others. Take for example, if you will look on the marketplace, you will see lots of clothing templates. Many come with access to .psd files you can download, which you can alter, slap a tint to, add a purchased fabric texture, and voile an outfit. Basically, whatever you do to that template, would be "derivative of" because you personally did not create that template. Is that correct?
If one buys such templates they are allowed to use them for their own creations. Whether it's a derivative or not is grey area material I think. It's used as an underlayer, not an example. I think you can compare it with using a ruler. Just a guide for your personal creation. Either way you're allowed to do so, so it's a bit academic anyway....
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Josh Susanto wrote:Meanwhile, the mesh I've seen actually rezzes more slowly than I should expect from sculpt equivalents.
Hmmm, that's the opposite of what I've experienced. Sculpt rezzing is often very slow, if they rezz in the first place. It might depend on what you consider a "sculpt equivalent" though. Is that a sculpt equivalent in looks? or in triangles? or in prim cost? I would compare looks, with the same or similair looks the amount of faces to render is always equal or less in a mesh. Whether this is the case for initial rezzing I don't know. Texturewise you can't even compare the two. In a mesh I can get away with a couple of 128 or 256 textures and get far better results than with a single 1024 for a sculpt with the same appearance.Josh Susanto wrote:I also have come to suspect that mesh lag and mesh land impact have been given a work-around by distributing bandwidth demands to other, less active servers.
If this is the case, I'd say it's a good thing, since mesh is so much friendlier for the servers and graphic cards than sculpts or even normal prims. I don't understand what you mean by giving the landimpact a workaround. SL has a complete new algorithm for landimpact, one that reflects the load on the systems. I'm not saying it's 100% fair in 100% of the cases, but it's a leap forward compared to the "a prim is a prim" mentality.
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Didn't you see the video? That looks like cell shading, whether it's how it's done for movies or not.....
I won't get involved in a discussion about a word, all I can say it looks great Loki...especially the first one in the vid.
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Chosen Few wrote:To upload mesh models, she'll need to be using Viewer 3. To be able to see mesh models, people need to be using Viewer 2 or above. Not everyone in SL is using the 2.x-based viewer yet. Some third party viewers are still using the 1.x codebase. Nobody using those viewers can see mesh objects, just prims and sculpties.
It doesn't happen very often, but you have to be corrected here.
Henri Beauchamp has taken the monumental task upon him to extract all the mesh code from V2 and mold, squish and fold it into his V1 based Coolviewer. He offers the code to others, so Singularity also uses it. The Phoenix people are also working on it, but as far as I know they haven't implemented it yet. There might be some others.
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Make sure your rotation and scale are correct, but going by your description you already did that. I had the very same thing two days ago. Nothing wrong with my physical model, showed correct in the uploader, but was closed inworld. If I'm not mistaken "analyze" showed the closed thing aswell, very strange. I do not know what caused it, but I do know that when I made a new physical shape from scratch, rather than copying a quad from one of the lods and building it from that, it worked. A doorframe isn't that hard to make, so I'd try a fresh physical shape.
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Josh Susanto wrote:I'm pretty sure that LL owns it unless there's an earlier claim to the data or similar data outside SL.If you load a texture, you give it to LL and they license it back to you.
TOS 7.1:
You retain any and all Intellectual Property Rights you already hold under applicable law in Content you upload, publish, and submit to or through the Servers, Websites, and other areas of the Service, subject to the rights, licenses, and other terms of this Agreement, including any underlying rights of other users or Linden Lab in Content that you may use or modify.
You need to have the actual copyrights registered before you can claim a texture as your own in a court of law. If you don't do this, you still own the copyrights as far as I know, so I can't imagine anyone else can register anyone elses texture. So I really don't see why LL would own them at any point, just because the data is on their servers.
In 7.2 you do give all the rights to let LindenLab use or copy your (yes YOUR) items or textures, that doesn't mean you hand over the copyright and it sure doesn't mean LL licenses you to use it.
7.6 is even called "Linden Lab owns Intellectual Property Rights in and to the Service, EXCEPT ALL USER CONTENT, and in and to the Linden Marks.
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and in max you align the pivot to world.
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3dsmax is very suitable for creating meshes. There are a couple of things to consider though:
Not in the last place the fact as far as I know there are no reasily available SL skeletons for max around. I don't rig my meshes, so I'm not sure.
Are you familiair with max and not with blender? That could be a good reason to use max, since a 3d program isn't easily mastered. Then again, if you know how "a" 3d program works, it's easier to learn the next. (but some things will be really confusing probably)
The program that's used by most SL builders is Blender, since it's free and does about everything the commercial programs do. You are probably going to get help a lot easier, from more sources if you use Blender.
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BrentStabler wrote:1. right now I am making a sculpty fence - let say there are two posts for every 10 meters. When I try to change the number of repeats per meter, etc., nothing happens. If I make the size of the object 20 meters, there are still only two posts instead of 4 - how do I change repeats per meter and/or repeats for face.
I'm not quite sure, but what i make of it is this: you are trying to get the shape to repeat by using the "repeats per meter" dial in the edit menu. That is for texture repeats, not for the sculpt shape. If you want more posts, copy the fence, that's all you can do.
BrentStabler wrote:2. Sizing sculpts. Getting back to the fence example, although the fence is 10 meters, the size is actually something weird like 7.2 or whatever. Let's say I have a 15 meter space, and I want to fit the fence, how do you fit them properly. The sizes are really weird and make for fitting them difficult and I have been "eyeing" them, but of course that isn't perfect.
Did you buy the sculpts or did you make them yourself? If you bought them, there's nothing you can do yourself. The creator possibly made it this way so it looks better from a distance.
If you built it yourself, something went wrong when you made the sculptmap. Not the entire spectrum is used for the shape. So the bounding box is 10 meters, but the actual visual shape is not as big, but at 72%. IF you made the sculpt yourself, please post what program(s) you used and I'm sure someone here will be able to help.
There might be a little trick to help you place the fence a bit easier instead of scaling it at one end only to see the other end scale aswell a little bit. First make sure the fence is exactly in the center of the space you want to close. Then in the edit window check the box called "stretch both sides". If you get one end just right, the other will be fine aswell.
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Gaia Clary wrote:hi, all.Sorry to come in late. I did not read all the details and also i have no knowledge about Maya. But i can tell that weird distortions with "legs up in the sky" and/or completely deformed meshes can be easily produced with Blender by adding a rotation to the character (for blenderers: rotation in object-mode).Clearing any rotation before exporting to Collada typically resolves this problem. Maybe a similar thing needs to be done with Maya ?
Kind of crossed my mind, since it also gives weird problems with UNrigged meshes. The rotation is in the collada file, doesn't matter what program is used.
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Never rigged a single thing in my life, but I am a well skilled 3d modeller and I didn't understand at all what your problem was. People DO try to help here. I have found solutions directly or indirectly many many times here. But there needs to be a well defined problem before there ever will be a satisfactory answer.
I'm glad you figured it out, honestly, I am only saying the way you tried to get help won't get you any help.
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I see you posted your very incomplete problem again. Posts like that won't help you, you experienced that yourself. If you post what you DID and what you got as a result, people can "imagine" where things went wrong.
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I think I know why nobody was able to help you, but I'm not going to tell you, you can probably imagine it.
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Still slow I guess... looking from the "top", as you would see the leaf most of the time, the outer one wouldn't be affected by the inner one, ok. But the different leaves would still affect eachother right? or is the sorting always correct if all outer leaves have one shared texture ID (SL face)?
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I must be slow, but how is setting a fixed number on the sorting ever going to fix a whole lot? it will fix things from one angle, but it will make it worse from all others..always showing the wrong one instead of sometimes..am I missing something?
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Go forth and multiply..or did you mean third?
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To be honest it hasn't happened to me either...hehe
But I read (sorry forgot where, but recently on the mesh forum for sure) that adding scripts adds a multiplier to the server costs of a mesh, which makes sense. The server cost of a box isn't that big ofcourse so one would probably not notice it in land impact. The landimpact not going up by stretching the object doesn't make sense to me, but this could also be because of the simplicity of the object. I'm not curious enough to do extensive testing on this, so I hguess I'll never know the details unless someone posts them:)
Still 24 landimpact sounds high for 24 boxes, even if this means you got the chair in the set for 0 prims (if you want to look at it that way)
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Braydon Randt wrote:its difficult to describe without appearing to be condesending 101,
Yes that's how a step by step guide works, but it's the best way to check what went wrong aswell
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Okok, not baking:) "making a dedicated texture" for the object rather than preparing all sides for any given texture you have inside of SL. Both have their advantages, but the one I described (and you aswell in that last reply) makes it more "SL prim like"...and as I said I think this is what Twiddle is after.
Anyway, I think it would be helpful if you could describe how to do this in Blender in a step by step manner, or maybe point out some tutorial.
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Since you seem to know your Blender...maybe a routine for 8 different texture/UV maps for all planes (instead of one that has to be baked) would be helpful. That would make it a really useful object and I think it's what Twiddle is after. Not that hard to make, but I really wouldn't know how in Blender....
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I'm no blender expert by any means, but I recall something about having to apply the textures in Blender rather than just mapping them is needed for a good export. I'm sure somebody knows how this exactly works, it's all I can think of from the top of my head. Looks like there are no textures applied in your model...
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Or "normal prim" builds and especially sculpties for that matter:) ..this comes in all shapes and sizes, but with the mesh as a builder you really have control over it.
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Ashasekayi Ra wrote:someone mentioned not using the marketplace as a comparison.
That was me, I ment don't take what you see on the marketplace as your norm. If you can justify the high polycount on an item I will be the last person telling you to redo that object. In fact I'm having a long one post a day discussion about this with Chosen, who is is more into the low poly building than I am. A lot of things on the marketplace are simply not well built, no matter how much resources they take.
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No you don't have to attach and detach in max, although this trick solves a lot of little pains quite easily, very true. All you have to do is assign one of the materials used in your model to your physical shape and it's fine. As far as max is concerned you end up with the exact same thing.
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I don't agree, hardly ever do....I'm stubborn like that
This is what wikipedia has as a definition:
"A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways."
And this is what LL has as a definition:
"Render weight represents the amount of work your computer must do in order to display an object. "
I would say we are looking at a humogous flaw that produces a completely incorrect result. Nothing suggestive about it.
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There is a plugin for 3d max, it is called "primcomposer". In a way it works (I think) LIKE a copybot...it intercepts the data traffic, but will only allow you to do it with your own items. It should work fine, but I just read you need a 3rd party viewer for it and I am pretty sure in the past only the official Lindenviewer worked with it. This could mean LL isn't happy with this tool at all. Anyway, it works two ways, you can import and export between max and SL...
All I can find is a mirror site and a short forum thread, it looks like Shack Dougal, the creator, quit.
Anyway....there are mirrors, not sure if it still works.