GothGirl Demonia

Syo Emerald wrote: No GothGirl. LL isn't dumb. They won't ban third party viewers because that would kill SL instantly and I bet they know that pretty well, as they probably have numbers of viewer popularity. Also not everybody falls for illegal viewers...which I just have the feeling is the case here with you. Not asking for Ban of TPV's, But saying that Linden Lab needs to add the secondary auth to prevent keylogging, and password Stealing. Why do you honestly think that Blizzard Entertainment ( World OF Warcraft) added authinticators, and why do you think that so many game companies like NCsoft is using Secondary Passwords, and IP Verification to protect consumers its because there are hackers out there who will try all types of methods to compromise a users account, Second Life being one of the easiest to possibly compromise users accounts via the following methods. 1. Phishing, I have got a lot of complaints from merchants and the goons sending fake phishing emails to their face book emails, and even information on botting griefers copybotting content posting it on a fakse marketplace link and sending it to merchants saying your store has been botted and trying to play a good citizen while if the merchant logs in their password gets stolen. 2. Brute Force, While I have never tried a Brute-Force attack experiment myself there are at least three videos detailing how to brute-froce peoples Second Life accounts. 3. Viewers with Malicious content, Second Life is Open Sourced, that means that approved TPV's could become compromised, I am not saying they will become compromised but simply saying the risk is always there because Linden Lab isn't actively developing them to my knowledge they are made by third parties. Also as Second Life is open sourced it means that viewers can be designed by anyone just because a viewer isn't approved doesn't mean it will have spyware, keyloggers, or anything, In fact I know some Role-Play groups in Second Life who I used the viewer of before that was not on the approved list as well although I trust that there was no keylogger, and no it wasn't a theft based viewer either it was just for RP Enhancements and had add-on's that all the other TPV's don't have. Now Personally since Late 2009, I have been using about over 20 Different viewers including Betas, and viewers friends have compiled not on the TPV list, and I never had an incident in Years until late 2012 when its likely that one of them was possibly compromised some how but it doesn't matter its over and done with although because of what happend and the lack of Linden Lab providing Secondary Auth's I believe that Linden Lab needs to add more security to login so that players do not have to worry about this. (It is even possible that it wasn't my viewer although it happend about 3 days after an update I still had people trying to reset my password via email about 3-4 different times in 2012.) Second Life users should not have to worry about these type of things such as Phishing, Viewer Password Stealing, or even compromise of the users computer aka a friend at someones house copy's their folder to flash drive goes to their house restores saved login information jacks account for example. What we need to add that second layer of security to players accounts is IP Verification, yes I have mention it about maybe 3-4 different times already. Every Game I play including EVE-Online gives me an IP Log of anyone who logs into my account, Second Life doesn't offer any security, any player back-up, any protection, and I feel becaues this is a Real Money game where players are trading virtual currency valued at Real Money we need the protections added for players. Yes I have secured my SL accounts, and such but there is no way in hell I am putting over $300 into my account again until we get additional protection like all these other MMO companies offer, Passwords themselves are a thing of the past. Also I understand that not everyone falls for illegal viewers, either I mean back 4 years ago I knew nothing about TPV's ever being in existance, I was the type of player who would listen to someone saying ah theres a better viewer than Linden Lab's viewer and they tell me its legal and I would login and check it out, but its not always an illegal viewer case of compromise either there are many ways to get an account compromised in an online game. I Love TPV based viewers, But I would feel more safe even using a viewer on the TPV list if Linden Lab would give me a choice of what IP addresses are allowed to login to my account and also make me have to verify it by email link then the hacker would have to both know my password, and my email password/have access to my computer just to login unless they piggy back a connection which isn't likely for what most kids I know do. Also in response to another post players talking about GOR, GOR for the most part absolutely makes me sick because thats where all the Frigging copybot scumbags I knew came from. Yes I know that not all GOR is like this, I know some good Goreans, and I love gorean Merchants, and Fashion, but otuside of that I can't even stand to be around GOR because there is usually always someone connected to a CopyBot group there, yeah I see them everywhere yes I inspect content often, I inspect profiles, I look at groups yeah I was in a Gorean CopyBot group before without knowing it when I fist learn about it and totally disguested by the owner becaues of how old their account was and the fact they supported it and did nothing when I finally found out about it. And god the Merchant they actually abused at the time ripping off all their content and giving it to me ina Note-Card, Yeah I still have a snapshot of what they gave to me I was looking through all the logs going back ot 09 I saw it the other day. I will give you a hint its the groups who do the big alliances thing.. http://i.imgur.com/ypuXXF1.jpg Oh btw this is how I knew that my group was Copybotting and when I finally found out about it all in 09 Just being part of that group without knowing form GOR really made me sick... Yeah exactly... So I believe I have proved my point here, and I hope that Linden Lab will finally give us the Secondary Auth, for all users so we can all feel more safe and protected form any type of attack where it be TPV related, Phishing, or so on it would just help a lot.

TristanMercer wrote: Same old babble, same tiring excuses...all from the same resident. ETA: I am NOT CLICKING on the img link. JPG's and PNG's can have code put into them, and this person may have them coded to steal information about my computer. <----This is what we have come to expect from the OP, just sayin'. This is our resident crybaby and complainer who bitches about everything. Perhaps they are going to need some cheese? If you go to an illegitimate site and use a crappy viewer like that, then of course your account will be compromised. DUH!!! COMMON SENSE! Now please stop posting about it. We are tired of the same old BS from you! ETA: GothGirl, if you are so worried about your personal information and such...may I suggest that you turn off your computer, unplug it from the wall, then smash it to pieces. While you are at it, cut up your bank and credit cards too and only use cash. So basically you deny the fact that the Emerald incident ever happend which basically the same CopyBotting griefer who helped design Emerald was part of the development team over on goon forums for the bots themselves, and also affiliated with the person who makes the so caleld Anti Copy-Bot viewer detector in SL. Basically Emerald was used as a Bot-Net to use its users computers to launch DDOS attacks on another site just google it. What I am saying is precautions need to be taken by Linden Lab especially given this information I have managed to find that griefers are using admin based viewers along with their illegal viewers to control users clients, while this has only been detected on an illeigal viewer it could still happen with any of the viewers on the TPV approved list all it takes is one person to thrown in some malicious code, and this could be in there for weeks, even months before anyone finds out about it. For example while using Emerald in the past before even being made aware of the exploits that were tossed into the client so that a user who btw I know of could read other peoples private messages, even talk in a two way PM if they want while some will doubt this becuase at the time I was just learning about this and didn't bother to snapshot yeah its things like this that make me itchy about all legit TPV"s. It is just simply time that Linden Lab add secondary auth to protect users accounts in-case this ever occurs on a massive scale it already has happened, and not only does it help protect users but it limits griefers using throw away accounts with invalid emails too limits their choices. Oh yes and if you are tired of reading instead of trolling posts there is an (X) button on the top of your browser I only spread the information for those interested in making Second Life better and more secure and with what I have found here it looks like it needs to be done. Also I post so that they go to the public search engine for those looking to play Second Life.

So over the last months since I have been hearing about users getting their accounts compromised I have been doing a lot of research on the griefer forums, and griefer networks basically mining information over the last months leading up to when my Second Life account was compromised, and when other players became compromised as well. Anyways while looking at one of the griefer forums I found this snapshot I saw it last year it didn't mean anything to me until I finally put together the information posted online about the Goons hacking and compromising players accounts. After reading a Log posted on the SL Universe it now makes sense to me what they were talking about, and now I am like 100% sure that the owner of the Goon network is behind a lot of the attacks because I found this image on his forum site through google, at first I had no idea what it was now I know exactly what it is. http://www.sluniverse.com/php/vb/general-sl-discussion/80414-hey-guys-kinggoon-users-gets.html This is the post which seems to be the truth based on the snapshot below. http://imgur.com/c7reRd1 I have reposted it here for protection so no one has to go to the site, but this is what I found. I also looked at a website which has been taken down but another Goon site, where the same person on the SLU post admit everything about what the Goons did with TPV's. (Which this all leads to something very important here, and something Linden Lab must do, (IP Verification.) If you check out the image I uploaded you can barely read some of the Admin features, basically what is happening is the goons are giving away Free CopyBot viewers to everyone who wants to break the TOS by CopyBotting merchants for example, or griefing, however the owner of the site, the high ranking people on the forum and coders have access to the Admin client, basically the admin client allows them to log others out who are on their viewer, as well as track them around the grid like what sim they are in, teleport the person home, even obtain the persons session ID based on this snapshot which by using their viewers could compromise a lot of your Second Life privacy as well as other things like delete your sim using your session ID, I know some have complained about how griefers are banning people from their own estate before which they did not ban, or unbanning avatars, or even returning objects this could explain it right here. Now some people might be familiar with the illegal viewers having a tool called a Message Builder. Basically to my understanding a message builder is used ot preform messages from client to Second Life server, but a lot of these functions require a session ID of a user, the message builder is also listed as a Pack Builder, and also listed as King Circuits it would explain what these features can be used for if used wrong by griefers if someone was using their illegal viewer, or a compromised viewer and a griefer could obtain exact session ID's and such. Another thing is that while logged into second life with any viewer with the admin menu open I have noticed that if you look at someones profile, and click CSR, it asks for linden lab login ID and basically allows a user to login as a Linden Lab employee, its not like anyone could actually gain access to such, but just seeing the login screen and that a linden could login from any computer anywhere in the world made me start thinking. Now this doesn't only go for people who are using "CopyBot Viewers" Unless you actually download the source code form FireStorm, or any viewer in the TPV directory, and understand enough to look through it all for Keyloggers, and Back-Doors & Compile it yourself , then there is always that risk there, I mean we all remember the incident with Emerald a few years ago or something it could have been worse way worse. You see most people in Second Life who use TPV viewers from the directory usually just download & install. Now it could happen, and I pray to god it never does a massive attack on thousands of Second Life users using Third Party Viewers from the TPV directory, maybe there is supposedly a safe-guard in place, who knows, what I know is Second Life is not secure anymore griefers are doing more than CopyBotting they are stealing payment information, compromising accounts, and they will likely try something big sooner or later someone will. This isn't Guild Wars, World OF Warcraft, or some MMO where the game company gives us a client and we all login using the same exact client This is Second Life, and the code is open sourced which is a good, and bad thing, I like that SL is open sourced. But at the same time I understand that Second Life needs to be made more secure just in-case anything like this ever occurs we all need Secondary authintication via IP Address & Email to help prevent anything like this its already happened and I know what I am talking about too I have spent months looking over lots of information and still looking over a lot of things. Linden Lab, claims that once Items are purged from your inventory they can't be restored, so anyone who spends any money at all in SL, and uses any TPV beyond LL's viewer could be at risk their items get purged, or some major merchant has their inventory purged and LL can't restore. This is exactly why we need the protection of Secondary Auth. Hopefully these findings help some understand what is going on.

1. I am pretty sure that I would not stupidly get Phished by entering my password on a site stupidly, after all for years I have warned about phishing, I am not that stupid, I check every link in my email, I check browser hijackers, and web address everytime before entering information. 2. If my account was compromised it was either compromised by one of the following. 1. Keylogger in a TPV the account hack happend within 72 hours after doing a viewer update seemed fishy after all I believe this may have been how I was compromised, I rolled back and completely wiped the viewer from my system the TPV may have been compromised at the time I download the viewer as it sat there for 2 months before I bothered to update it. 2. Brute-Force, while I doubt it it could be possible when I use a passwordI use something like PÄ$sW04D*!(A ^A)+ something hard as this but not password of course. ( These videos are on YouTube Showing people how to do it.) 3. Linden Lab stupidly resetting it for someone I doubt this would happen of course but there are things that do raise concerns to this, such as things I do have documented evidence on in the past that happend. For example a person calls Linden Lab, and knows the Real Life users name, email, Phone Number, and address, which is actually all very easy to legally obtain if the person is a close friend on the internet, or done any transactions via PayPal for example, and that person has not logged in claims to have forgotten secret questions, and doesn't have the email anymore but says they remember three friends and names a bunch of friends they know they are friend with. Yes as I said I am not that stupid to get phished via stupid attempts, I also know that if I was compromised it was one of the three talked about above, but I know that after doing the safe-guard viewer roll-back, and checked my system for keyloggers sending information online I have found none yes I use Comm-View 6 to check every packet, and IP address my computer connects to. What we need is Two Step IP Verification, for all Second Life users, not only will this protect peoples accounts, but it will block all them griefers who also try to grief others using one day old accounts if they use a fake email address because they won't be able to use IP Verification. I did submit a JIRA, it was foward to Security Team, and Closed After, we need more people to petition for this, had there have been two-step verification my account would have never have been compromised, and god knows what they did to others using my name in SL, its the reason I don't play anymore.

1. No there is not any way to only login from your computer, you see the problem with hacking in Second Life is that it only uses password as login verification, if you are a victim of a hack like my account was the end of last year then there is nothing LL can do to fix your deleted inventory. 2. I have petition Linden Lab via JIRA, and Email, to please add IP Verification so that when a user logs in from a new IP address they also have to verify it via email like Guild Wars 2. The Jira was closed, and they said they would pass it to security team that is as far as it went. If people actually want their accounts secure we need more people to help petition this, Who knows when any approved TPV will become compromised with a keylogger and the user gets compromised because of it this would prevent that. Hardware ID Verification would not work, as if anyone ever uses a TPV the company or maker can collect hardware information then use an illegal software spoofer to verify login with password. 3. VPN, VPS, Proxy's are useless in Second Life the only time they are good is when griefing people along with a Hardware spoofer to avoid getting banned by Linden Lab, unless of course using it for a legit purpose like too laggy for direct connection otherwise its useless, also do not use free proxies as if anyone commits a crime and gets banned from that same IP so could you. 4. Do not use remember saved password if anyone gets your MD5 File its easy to replace it with yours on another persons computer and log straight in also possible for TPV's to send data and MD5 file out as a keylogger. 5. I would not trust a program that changes password, and IP that leads to account compromise fast unless you can view the code and compile it yourself and know the IP/server its using is yours. The hackers who are hacking SL, are the Goons, they are the ones griefing residents every single day in Second Life, I pretty much gave up messing with them because of the ignorant people like the Admins of RP sims allowing use of Copy-Bot, and at least two merchants I know helping the Goons despite knowing they use Copy-Bot to rip off others, yeah its pretty sad they claim to be against bot but help the goons in attack against others, although most merchants I personally know in SL would not fall for crap like this its just people with no brains who do. They are also the ones who are posting Brute-Froce videos to YouTube, I will not give links here due to TOS, but if you go to google, and type Second Life Brute Force, you should see the videos right there on YouTube, do not download anything from the sites as it may contain keyloggers and such, but there are tutorials going around on compromise other users accounts which is why we need IP Verification. 6. Watch what you install on your own computer, Download a program called "SNORT" and "COMM View" To analyze if your computer has a keylogger on it it requires knowing a bit of networking to actually use these programs but its how I detect keyloggers.

Basically its a Hud, or Object the way you can find out who is doing it is simple if you are on the correct viewer that supports it. 1. Open your local chat. 2. On the side where it usually shows green text from objects see if its clickable click it, and it should tell you who is doing it and where they are in world. 3. Its also possible to spam green text to others via avatar key across sims I remember for 3 entire weeks I was griefed from a RP sim by goon griefers and everytime I logged in I would get green spam on my account, also if this ever happens to you disable IM's to email so you do not get spammed when this happend to me I had over 2000+ emails. However as said you can click the clickable text in local and find out who is doing it, and where it is coming from unless they are abusing the exploit which masks it which most griefers do not know how to do only a few I know actually know the exploit or have the tools to do such, so basically even if it is in another sim and a gridwide attack you can see what sim the object is in and where.

I wouldn't trust Freebie Items going around that are No Mod/No Edit. However it is a legit function as systems such as Hippo Rent, Hippo Vend, Casper Vend, all use the debit/money permissions so that you can get money when paid via vendors, and such for example share vendors. However it would be a legal dispute for any reason if any owner of any system actually marketed a system which over 500+ second life residents used and then they all found their money gone and cashed out because legally you gave them permissions. On another bit of a topic, Back in 2010-2012 I don't remember the exact date someone told me about an exploit in a lot of old vendor systems basically how it works is you use a script in Second Life to spam 1 L$ to your own avatar hundreds of times until it gives the failure to send L$ notice in the viewer, and then you purchase a product from a share vendor, or vendor in Second Life and you get the item for free. I remember way back when I found out about the exploit and tested it to verify it was working I notified a lot of merchants about the exploit, and the 0 L$ exploit, Hippo Vend went for over a month without being fixed, and to this day I do not know if it was corrected to fix the bug that can be abused to shop-lift from merchants, the response I got was pretty much there was no exploit they didn't care of course all the logs I had was on my account that got hacked and everything deleted but I had info reguarding all in game exploits on my SL account in note-card folders. The problem with hippo I believe is it does not veirfy transactions before delivery of the product like casper vend. The only Secure system I trust because I have tested it myself is Casper-Vend, for the exploit and it didn't work in fact if I remember correctly it detects people trying to abuse the exploit, and flags their name/bans them, the transactions are actually verified via a bot, or script/server before the product is sent. Also at the time I tested Casper Rent, their system actually did the same that Hippo Rent did but used less memory. I don't know if Hippo Technologies has improved their products or not as I have not test anything for quite awhile now its possible that the bug was fixed, however if you are using a vendor and you notice not getting paid for transactions I would question the vendor no matter what vendor it is unless you can see the script yourself and know scripting I know there are a lot of different vendors out there.

Big Brother is watching you. Yes nothing is secure unless you bounce your connection throguh multiple vpn's/servers even then if its actually illegal and the NSA wants to find out they will although it will hide little things such as downloading your favorite movie or something although the NSA is after the big fish.

I was reading another locked thread on here just below this one which basically talks about false charges placed on someones credit card/billing information and being done from their IP address. However after having my account itself compromised, Lack of IP Verification or security it does raise some red flags on something that really concerns me. 1. Lets assume that someone downloaded an illegal viewer on the internet, or got a was using a Third Party Viewer that has been compromised, couldn't it be possible to use the users PC while they are logged in as a proxy, steal their password, and use their IP address to access their own Second Life account. 2. Even if this was not possible couldn't someone buy L$ from the viewer if lets say they added some type of back-door to the viewer, and then from there all it would take to steal the L$ is an object in Second Life set to pay out debit permissions, or possibly if its possible to even use a message builder which is built into almost every illegal viewer use their session ID to transfer the L$ to someone else or something. I am not even sure this is possible, but a friend who actually made some pretty advanced Bots in the past the kind that manage land and stuff talked a lot to me about session ID's and if it was possible to obtain one what someone could do it, and even had a bot that automatically reclaim, and resold land parcels and stuff. Would any of this even be possible as I have my billing info stored, and would be warry about using any TPV if it is.

To answer my opinion. 1. Legal Threats in a Note-Card I would completely disreguard them, I had some Gorean Role-Player pissed off because they and their friends were supporting CopyBot, and because I publically exposed all of them and their groups on unofficial SL Forums & in game, I never got banned, and their legal threats never carried out. Either way there is no way to stop trolls on the internet even if it was for laughs because one trolls just asks another friend to continue so a court order against me doesnt mean my other friend cant do it. 2. Anyways back on the point, If the person gave you content full permissions in Second Life then it is full permissions, Note-Card agreements are not a forum of agreement even when buying a bunch of textures from a store, you do not have to follow it, now if Linden Lab will ban or suspend a person for reselling the textures likely, if the creator will try to bring legal issues maybe I doubt it, however you can argue their Note-Card in a court/law, and as Linden Lab control's the servers they would likely take action to protect the merchants if complaints were actually filed, however given the fact you can create many accounts from many IP-addresses, spoof MAC you can get away with giving away a load of textures. Simply Said, Linden Lab might honor agreements in Note-Cards in SL, but they likely would not hold up in a court/law with a good defense although you would have to get legal advise to make sure I am pretty sure done properly you can deny ever accepting any agreement because technically you don't agree to it until you buy therefore even if you didn't agree they have to refund you by not telling you before you buy. ( Although I would say respect the merchants.) 3. A single texture as you described as for being used in a club or on a board, they likely gave it to you FULL PERMISSIONS, without any agreement, therefore its full permissions and in my opinion would not be in the wrong to use it, I would personally tell the person to bug off, mute them, and tell them have an issue file a DMCA you gave it to me full permissions, or just make some edits to the whole texture yourself, and then reupload which would mean they would have to seek a Court/Law in real life to take legal actions of course if you want to give it to them tooth and nail. 4. You could always just do the baller move, and give the texture to a bunch of people, even upload it to a few blogs and image sites, heck if you got the asset key of the original texture they uploaded you can just use that on your items and Linden Lab would have to destroy their original upload to get rid of it, now its perfectly legal to use LSL for this is it abuse technically many merchants wouldn't like it but its not using a CopyBot. Otherwise if you want the person just to leave you alone and give into their demands eventhough they did give it to you full permissions just change the texture or create your own. Personally if someone tried this to me my friends would be all over them in a matter of Seconds, and they would likely say we're sorry or quit Second Life really fast.

Perrie Juran wrote: Porky Gorky wrote: Perrie Juran wrote: LL knows that people build things composed of prims, textures, scripts, etc, created by others. This is a fairly common practice so I would not worry about getting in trouble with LL over this. The alien is right. In the past thieves have often set the root prims to creators other than themselves, in fact it is one of the oldest tricks in the book. Allot of content that I had taken down showed some of the more popular megaprim creators such as Research Project and Winter Vetura as the creators. Megaprims could not be copybotted themselves but the prims were freely available to anyone to use full perm. I think this is a non issue. It has not been a problem reserved to stolen content. I have seen in Profiles when tracking down a creator to ask a question, "If you are wondering about 'product X,' I did not make it. Please contact 'so and so,' they used the stuff I provided to make the product." In my own home which is "mod," I have identified five different avas named in different parts. Door scripts by one, window scripts by a second, two different sculpts and the rest of the house by the merchant who sells it. Yes this is one of the major problems in Second Life since 09 I have been given Note-Cards from various people which contain a lot of Full Permissions prims from the creators in Second Life, legally because the prims were full permissions and just a blank cube its legit to have them, or to use them to create as I don't see anything in the Second Life TOS that forbids creating or modfiying something that is full permissions. However Botters are exploting this to import full builds via right click a full perm prim on ground import.xml select copybotted build and it imports all prims with their name as creator with assets aka textures and such, that is illegal, but there is nothing in place to stop it and many of the merchants I know who have had their prims going around for years full perms, I started out in 09 when I got the first Note-Card with their names and through 2011-2012 I managed to get 3 other NoteCards filled full of more prims from even more merchants. Heck all you have to do these days is go to a welcome area and ask anyone got the creator spoof note-card and someone will likely give it to you if they dont care about it places like Ahern, Moose Beach, Violet. However there are other methods of tracking Copy-Bot content even prim spoofed. 1. Download the asset itself and look for avatar name or key information it can be dificult this mainly works on clothing, skins and such botters often make mistakes leading back to them. ( Technically if you own IP rights and created it yourself, I would say you have every right to, but then again there is the TOS.) 2. Look for last owner information under inspect, and do manual tracking inspect content inside of content and such. 3. Look at UUID's on the cube also illegal cant be done with a legit viewer and look for any textures they might have upload themselves to use on it. 4. Look for content scripts, and such created in the content sometimes botters will forget to spoof scripts too. And finally if you have a botter suspect dont say anything, attempt to find them in world via places they hang out, inspect their avatar for copybot hairs, often they dont bother to change names of prims so if they are wearing hair from X store it will say <StoreName> Hair Name, if its created by someone other than that often its copybot, take snapshots, post to a blog anonymously proof of their botting, Ban them from your store once you have solid evidence, Report to Linden Lab. OF Course if you want to do this make sure you make a newbie account, heck don't use an illegal viewer, but make a newb account run around with some freebie stolen hairs in talk like you know some smack about copy-bot, and you fit right in just dont turn on media or voice because they can track your viewer information and see you are a spy, then Report all them no good for nothing scum, but don't report them right then so you can keep deep cover its how quite a few of us who have free time and want to have something to do roll. PROFIT??? Heck after my account was compromised I wouldn't be shocked if someone didn't take my prim or prims to do this with but its why I don't play SL anymore I just keep in tocuh with a few peeps and thats about it nothing left in this rabbit hole.

Sita Writer wrote: I am doing an article on copybotting for an inworld magazine. If you have been successfully copybotted and would like to talk about it please drop me a notecard inworld with answers to these questions: 1. How did you know your store or shape or designs were copybotted Shapes legally can't be copyrighted, although Linden Lab likely might investigate copyright stolen shapes, shapes are not intellectual property as they are created by Linden Lab/designer of second life and are nothing more than numbers this is an opinion of course but there is no way to copyright this in a court/law and even debate it in court. A Shape looks like this, this is one of my own I edited many times, this is what it looks like when its copybotted. http://pastebin.com/V7R2KDrZ Also a lot of merchants also keep in touch with one another, even some merchants have out-side sources who keep them in touch who hate goons just as much but not merchant's themselves so yeah merchant finds out merchant files DMCA, although if you ever get caught being a RAT, prepared to get griefed and they won't just stop with you they will go after your partner/friends so keep it low when reporting to merchants, and have good intel. 2. What is your opinion of copybotting CopyBotting another persons creation, Absolutely not, There are legit uses for the CopyBot, I hate what all these griefing groups have done with the CopyBot, I found great use of such tools when it was legit to use CopyBot, and Learn about the tools and such I will provide some examples of why I like LibSL, or CopyBot. a. Shift Clicking in most copybot viewers on a prim opens the UUID which then can be applied to any prim in the game, this can be used if you don't remember the texture you had in your inventory can be a great tool for designers something I wish legit viewers had. b. Use to back-up own content. c. CopyBot can also be used to modfiy clothing you purchased for personal use which is no mod, Personally while its a violation of the TOS if someone actually just used a CopyBot for this I wouldn't care but I had a person I knew friends of friends who told me thisi s all they did with it turns out they lied, They were part of the Griefer Network known as the Goons, CopyBot a lot of my friends stores I found out I reported them I got sick of their mind games and what they did to my friends who work really hard to create content. In fact the person who did this was related to Second Life Military RP groups, I tracked them and their friends for over 5 months in SL I logged every friend and assoication they had that I could find and kept an eye on all of them until LL Finally got all the accounts I knew of, even then the person who they were partenr with pretend they didn't know what was going on and was a leader in a very popular SL military if I remember correctly. The result of this action they attempted to get me banned by CopyBotting a redelivery terminal from a store in Second Life, taking over 1000 skin, hairs and shapes and sending them around in a note card saying it was from me but their attempt at this didn't work I could have done a better job framing someone than they did personally. In fact the day this happend I was sent IM's from a load of merchants asking me about what was going on and why I would do that because they really believed it was me given the way the grief was done for awhile, some had doubts and knew it wasn't while others thought it might have been true, which is why merchants have to be very careful because they can be used in Pawns against others too if they go about it the wrong way. d. To answer the question I don't report people for having CopyBot or Modified Clients, Although LL may choose to punish them there is legit use for it, I know many people in SL who break the TOS using modified clients that are illegal, but I don't report them instead I watch everyone as close as I can even when they don't know it in a public area for Copybotting if I see it I snapshot and report. Some of the people I know who use such illegal tools are Anti Griefers I will not give names, in General it is opinion but even your CopyBot hunter, or Anti Griefer breaks the TOS similar to a griefer, heck even Sim Owners, and RP admins break the TOS by allowing griefers to use sims for CopyBotting, or don't care seen it all. e. Tools to detect griefer Spam, while FireStorm has this, CopyBot viewers have Keyfinder which is a great tool for opening asset Keys, and great use to scripters. f. Fact is I know of quite a few reputable scripters in Second Life who have used and still use a CopyBot or modified viewer not authroized by Linden Lab for such tools like the key finder and such. g. You can use a CopyBot to detect CopyBotted content, sounds wierd, many wouldn't understand where to begin but its true in fact when use of such was legal this is how I began reporting such content, even found some ignorant botters who uploaded their own texture on some content and the UUID matched their avatar key this was before FireStorm added the window to see who uploaded profile pictures and such was built into default viewers we all get that are legit. 3. What was your reaction to this offense At first when I hear the word CopyBot I was given the first ever compiled CopyBot I was like WT* is this I didn't know what to do with it, at the time it was not even illegal to own one, heck I didn't even know a CopyBot viewer existed until people told me about it at first I was highly against all use of CopyBot but then I saw both bad use and good use for such tools. 4. What would you like to say to copybotters? Bad CopyBotters, I think my message was delivered Loud & Clear to the Goons, and all the people I know responsible for ruining merchants without a reason, and why. Well the Goons are the ones who are CopyBotting every merchant in Second Life and posting .XML files for free download on there site, there is GoonSquad,King, and PN, all similar goals while PN is based on Lulz and sim griefs more than the other two they both still do griefing, and KG/GS are just in it to share content illegally because they believe that all content should be free. In fact the Goons, resorted to hacking and brute force attacks on Second Life accounts which is how mine came compromised, as well as placing Keyloggers in all their released viewers, and viewer DDOS relays to use people as slaves for DDOS attacks on other Second Life users IP address such as voice exploit and for lulz those goons with the admin client had access to this information. 5. What was your recourse and the response of LL Linden Lab could do more in my opinion to ensure the security of players accounts, why they don't is beyond me I have spoken to Lindens via Phone, some of them are quite helpful, and I am thankful to the Linden Employee who have been of help, but the changes that need to come need to start with adding more security to players accounts like IP verifcation link to email so when the user tries to login it sends an email to the user that asks them to verify that its them logging in to proceed with the login attempt like guild wars 2 this adds an additonal layer of security. I personally opend a JIRA about this, but fact is Linden said they would foward it to their security team and it was closed, possibly made private, but we need more people to help start JIRA and such to secure peoples accounts. As far as CopyBot in general I believe Linden Lab could do better at stopping the CopyBot such as when I reported many CopyBot items in SL Linden Lab couldn't blacklist or remove because I wasn't the IP holder but I was in contact with the merchants I know they did not authroize the Copies, but see Botters just keep Importing .XML files so one copy becomes two, and three and so on there is no stopping it, however if Linden Lab allowed any user to get involved an IP rights campeign and flag content for investigation Linden Lab could check the UUID's and see what is copy bot and what is not especially if the merchatn never gave out rights to the content most botters don't download assets they use the assets that are already on LL servers which are uploaded by the IP holder and easily checked by Linden Lab. Heck you can use any illegal copybot viewer to help assist in detecting CopyBot content easily, and since Linden are admins I know they have the tools and ability to do this. If you have been copybotted and don't want to talk about it.... why not? A lot of merchants are threatend by the goons, the more a merchant fights back the more they will become a target by such griefer groups unless its done anonymously, that is why I did something about every botter I knew who ripped off the fellow shoppers I shop with in the past because they were just content developers they don't have the time to deal with such, meanwhile I enjoyed hunting these copybot scum spent 5 years on one RP copybotting group, and still at them today, and if I am not some of my friends are. Crashing a Sim in Second Life with No Build & No Script is actually pretty easy with the right resources. Revenge is a very Powerful thing you see , some griefers grief for the lulz just for laughs, others do it for revenge, and some do it to get back at others, in other words I want CopyBot scumbags who ripped off all my merchants off this grid, and same with the people who support them. If you are a copybotter -- would just love to know why you do it I don't rip off other merchants, but its simple and very easy to get a CopyBot off google search, I am not going to provide links, and going to warn that many CopyBot viewers that have been released have had Keyloggers put into them especially the ones from the goons. http://imgur.com/a/4FSJf Here is proof obtained from reading forums of Keyloggers placed in CopyBot Viewers. However I will explain why CopyBotters do it and their agenda based on what I hear. 1. Some Copybotters do it simply because they are greedy no good for nothing pirates who don't want to support merchants in Second Life. 2. Some do it because they are in another country and have a hard time within income and money so they claim which could be true I don't know doesn't make it right. 3. Some do it for revenge against a merchant for X reason. 4. Some just want everything Free. And among these lines is another debate. Uploading Mesh from TurboSquid, or from Video Games without IP rights from the company. By law removal of content has to be filed by the Intellectual Property Rights holder, however if that person or company doesn't care it doesn't get removed however to explain why some people do it. 1. Some do it out of greed and profit so they sell it on market place. 2. Some merchants I know have taken Ideas recreated items from other games and sold it on market but made modifications to it and almost exact replica but their own version. 3. Some do it because they just want to be Rikku for gods sake RP reasons I can somewhat Understand that people want to be their favorite video game character in an RP but it doesn't make it legally right, In fact I loved FUS-Ro-Dah people until the hud was removed from market place due to false dmca I believe because someone elses is still up there, but anyways back to the point some peopel do it just because they want to live their Second Life like their favorite video game character. 4. Also take AVATAR for example all these replica's from the movie. Which leads to the point where do you legally draw the line when it comes to CopyRight & Second Life on mesh. Thanks all Sita Writer I really don't even bother with Second Life anymore after I see what garbage SL has become, how much has changed since I first start SL in 2008, it just isn't worthit all the griefers, RP sims who are afraid to stand up to CopyBotters, and even playing in their community you play around a CopyBotter it disgusts me, I only support SL for the artists, and merchants who are left, and as a social hangout, although the most of my time is now spent in actual MMO-RPG games like Second Life, and becoming more realistic SL wise such as EVE, Guild Wars 2, Entropia, or DarkFall, and actually on RP Community who are 100% Clean and legit. Although Second Life does offer good content, and well things you can't do in other MMO's for the most part its not worth the money or time IMO I still login once in awhile Check friends see whats going on I might return some day when we get clean community in SL and less griefers, I love SL, but can't stand the lack of security either there is no reason LL shouldn't have been able to restore my inventory, or have secondary authintication in place, especially now after all the Phising, Hacking, Brute Force attempts we need better security to protect us. Imagine as a merchant waking up one day to find your entire inventory purged. What would you do. Don't get me wrong Second Life, still has a great experience for those just looking to meet, hang out with friends, but those who are like me into hardcore RPG experience, and Combat, most of this is gone from SL now nothing to return to, and even if I did, I want to be in a place that doesn't allow CopyBotting Scumbag griefers. And no sticking CDS, or Red Zone there is just Spyware, I don't use either one because they are both garbage, I use my eyes ears, and investigate reports manually to deal with such. I mean there is a difference between not knowing there is a CopyBot on your RPG sim, and knowing but doing nothing or not caring saying let LL Deal with it, its disgusting, I don't even want to be in the same sim with a Botter if I know they are there. You see I have had nice Long Chats with some of the RPG owners in Second Life who supported the Copy-Bot, said Second Life could burn in war they didn't care, but failed to deal with the botter on their sim, and such hostile hate, I wish I could post the logs here myself, either way this is where REVENGE as I talked about takes play some didn't like what they were doing so they got griefed for supporting the CopyBot which personally I don't care they were asked privately to deal with the mess before it got out of hand and exposed on Unofficial forums and blogs, what comes after because some absolutely hate CopyBots is not my problem. Also as I believe I said Earlier, no one is clean, no one is an angel, even your Anti Griefers, and Copy-Bot hunters have dark secrets, and break the TOS in one way or another same as a CopyBotter.

1. Submit a Ticket To Linden Lab 2. If you have any problems contact Linden Lab via phone. 3. Pray that whoever compromised your account did not delete your entire inventory there is a griefer group doing this to a bunch of people in Second Life. I have personally been pushing trying to get Linden Lab to add IP Verification, and spreading the word to others to spread the word about how we need IP Verification similar to GuildWars 2 as a secondary security protection feature, however the JIRA that I personally filed about it the Linden Said they would pass it on to security team and it was closed so I don't know how far that is even going to go I suggest more people file JIRA, about adding security to Second Life like this to add an additional layer of protection to your account never know who is going to be next.

I would assume its possible for those who Don't know all the CopyBot and griefer viewers have what is called a message builder programmed into the viewers I assume that it is possible to put the right UUID strings into it and send packet messages to add other agents to Estate Managers on sims as if the owner did this, now it kinda gets tricky because everyone says its impossible which I am sure isn't true because from what I know all a person would have to do doing this if they had no other way of doing it is obtain the session ID of the agent logged into the region at the time, or maybe just logged into SL and send the packet request using their session ID which would have to be obtained when they login to SL however if they are using any TPV viewers beyond Linden Lab's default viewer this could be possible. Again this comes from someone who woke up logged into SL to find the entire inventory deleted by a griefer, profile changed, and being told by Linden Lab less than 48 hours after that inventory could not be reverted which just proves that LL needs better security on players accounts, and better protection for players who spend real moeny in this simulation type MMO. Pretty Sure there is a lot of grief type hacks going around, I did a google search and found Four Different griefer groups actively griefng in Second Life, and also searched for Second Life Brute Force, and found that there are griefers who have made a client which goes down a list of many second life names trying all known passwords and random login passwords until it hits one, so make sure to change and use a hard password you use nowhere else, I also would not download any illegal TPV viewers even to check them out as they contain keyloggers, and a lot of them contain radar hacks and IRC chatloggers/bugs which relays local chat to griefers and location in world, heck this type of stuff could be in any TPV unless you compile your own legit TPV from source and know what you are doing, although I would say Legal TPV's are more safe than the griefer ones. Also Linden Lab thinking they are going to stop Money Laundry, or Transactions that are processed outside of LindenX not going to happen and only way a person is going to get banned for doing such transactions is if they talk about it in world, or put in world ATM's however cashing out VIA third parties will always be at the person cashing out expense if its fraud L$ and LL removes it from their account, however its still possible to cash out via third parties as long as you can trade L$ in world sending to someone, or paying an object would have to get rid of the entire economy to stop it.

Perrie Juran wrote: K.B. logged into a friend's profile on RuneScape He then gave away her stash of virtual money after pair had argued H.J. - who spent six years saving credits - then called police K.B. was charged despite fantasy money having no real value http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2328922/Teenager-dragged-court-giving-away-friends-VIRTUAL-gold-coins-online-fantasy-game.html While the Games (TOS) Terms OF Service does state that Virtual Currency has no Real Value this is not actually true. Given the fact that in a MMORPG you have to spend hours of your Real Life time collecting virtual goods, and saving up content, while in a court you could not SUE because of any actual value of money I believe that you could SUE for all the Real Life time and hours you spent putting into the game to earn that much money while currency is not allowed to be traded for real currency I would personally look up the average price online of the value of the virtual goods and SUE for it if possible as you are not SUE over the currency being worth money you are SUE for the amount of time put into the game and time spent earning and working hard to get that currency seems perfectly legit to me. There are plenty of Lawsuits in other country too like this and I hope that in the future MMO's use more Real Currency as an exchange like entropia, or support Real Money Exchange between gamers like GW2 for example but isntead of exchanging gems for gold in GW2 you can buy items for example from an auction house with gems that will then go to other players and so on. Hopefully Entropia, or a New Version/MMO similar to APB, and Second Life will come out sooner or later that offers different fantasy RP experience, but without all the problems SL has and using Real Money to fuel the economy. Actually EVE has done this.

I feel that the authroized reseller program is a joke and a big laugh allow me to share my opinion on it. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Linden_Dollar_%28L$%29_Authorized_Reseller_Program The only reason I feel they added the authroized Reseller list was becuase of Big Estate companies and people who make L$ in Second Life, many of them likely told Linden Lab they would quit if they couldn't sell their L$ anymore but here is what is really happening in my opinion cant be proven but use some common sense and not like LL is going to do anything. Big Estate Companies like the Anshe Chun, are just collecting L$ off of users who pay tier on the many Estates they have, but almost every Estate Company does it, they charge a little bit more than the actual cost of the sim if you do the math parcel and calculations, then they take that L$ from all the renters and sell it to users throguh third parties like PayPal to make more profit aka avoiding the Linden Lab cash out fee then use that money to pay for their tiers its a simple concept. Cashing Out Restriction is a joke. Seriously it doesn't matter what TOS Linden Lab throws up there players can still cash out through any third party site or transaction method if they wish nothing is going to stop me and my friend for example going over to my neighbors house hey I got 40k to sell you I give you $100 for it right now it will happen no matter what. Linden Lab Concern Fraud? The reason fraud happens is becuase of the amount of hacked viewers going around, and Hacking Second Life accounts, or who knows maybe even the user themselves commiting fraud on banks and credit card companies by using a LAP TOP + Free WiFi + MAC Spoofer/hacked client to overdraw their bank account VIA paypal for example and launder the money out, the problem with this is that Linden Lab needs to introduce security to players accounts, not be restricting transaction cashouts. Cash-Outs should be put in the TOS as a legal disclaimer at a users own risk aka you do the trade and if the L$ is bad you have to pay the fee for accepting bad L$ all this does in general is hurt legit players who use third party services to cash out and such. I understand Fraud, & account hacking very clear, but I also understand what the users of Second Life want the freedom to do as they wish while having Secure accounts, and I suggest going with IP Verification of accounts and so on like Guild Wars 2 instead of restricting transactions 100% aka not allowing users to cash out their L$ through third party sites because its still going to happen no matter what go to google and search Second Life GOLD, you will see there are lots of third party sites that allow you to sell your L$ to them is it legal per TOS no but it doesn't matter ot them its going to happen anyways. Perhaps Third Party Sellers will end up coming up with a new cash-out system. Reading the article it says a person can't cash out a persons L$ that would mean that Linden Lab would have to remove the ability to give away money in Second Life all together lol, but instead of a reseller giving money they could just give them website credits or tokens worth the amount and then legally allow someone to casho ut circumventing the TOS because of the way its stated in this. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Linden_Dollar_%28L$%29_Authorized_Reseller_Program New Methods for PHISHERS, and unaware people. Yeah Linden Lab you just gave a new way for people to commit fraud by putting this authroized seller list out I am sure that out of every Second Life user there will be one sucker who gives out credit card information, or gets scammed by a third party seller because they are unware of the list or new to Second Life or something. This whole TOS just makes everything very complicated, but hey then again I bet a lot of the Real Estate companies would have issues with Linden Lab had they not have turned on the light bulb, and said hey let us quickly make them happy by making an authroized reseller list, yeah...

Lucretia Brandenburg wrote: It's impossible for them to do it without causing an uproar and possible legal issues for infringing on the property rights of content creators. LL doesn't own items we purchase in SL, it provides a platform for the creation and purchase and use of virtual goods belonging to others. Yes the CAN do it technically but the CAN'T do it for more practical reasons. If I were a content creator, I'd be fuming if LL were in the habit of just providing people with copies of my work. Do it for one person for whatever reason and that opens the floodgates for a heck of a lot of abuse. So yes, it is indeed IMPOSSIBLE in that sense. There are enough content thieves out there, who wants LL to become one as well? Its not impossible for them to do it the only content it would break is huds and things that use keys like Qhud, Xhud, and so no which use avatar key for automatic update and purchase checks otherwise its possible to transfer all inventory asset data and restore they simply don't do it nor do they provide good account protection. I am not 100% sure of this but 7.2 of the Second Life TOS I believe would allow Linden Lab to give any item away created by any user as long as its on Second Life Servers to any user that is on Second Life service without being able to be sued, not sure if it would include this or not but just saying. http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php#tos7 Heck I wish Linden Lab would give users the ability to legally transfer items to new accounts and or to another user for example you buy a license copy of an item at a store in RL such as a game software, or movie you can legally give that copy away to someone else. However to do this process for legal reasons, and security purpose they should require Real Life ID and so on to be provided to them.

Its not impossible its just they don't do it. Just like it wasn't impossible to restore my inventory that was deleted by an unauthroized hacker they just did not do it.

Nope you cant legally transfer them keyword legally. Although the assets in Second Life are still there. I do wish that Linden Lab would allow a user to copy, backup, and manage their own inventory/transfer assets to other accounts that they own within the Second Life service it would be great and provide more security as well as prevent griefers from targeting a single persons account because they can still create a new account and transfer items to that new account maybe put a small fee on it of $20 for doing it each time and once a year or something to prevent abuse of actual transfer of items/data to new account.

Its GoonSquad & PN Griefing, even if you can't see it they are viewer aseet spamming players viewers, and DDOS attacks. For asset crashes and corruption go into %APPDATA% directory clear your cache/settings, login in a simulator by itself with no heavy assets should fix the problem from griefers and asset spam except key attacks on target that work across SL grid wide. on windows vista/windows 7 You go to start menu, and type %APPDATA% in the start search and click enter. In this folder should be your viewer settings depending on the viewer you use and such, if you click at the top of the bar that says the path and go to your app data directory itself instead of appdata roaming, you see Local, you open local there is also another viewer folder there you can safely delete the two Second Life Viewer folders from these directory's if your clients appears broken, or just erase the cache manually from the cache folder which is the one that has all the wierd UUID Keys. Example. C:\Users\UserHere\AppData\Local\Firestorm C:\Users\UserHere\AppData\Roaming\Firestorm Grid Attacks. Basically the way griefers attacks are working lately and have for quite awhile is they will load massive amounts of asset data to a users viewer such as uncached Textures,Sounds that you cant hear, Animations in attempt to make it crash, I have been around a lot of these type of attacks to see what they would do just being in the sandbox I got griefers trying to crash my client all the time, welcome areas, and sometimes private sims griefers would come into and knock everyones viewer offline such as dance clubs and so on. In general a singe person can take about 300+ objects and wear them as an invisble prim but place a bunch of laggy sculpt maps, and textures in it to cause a persons viewer to just lock on them or lag/cause corruption, then you have the illegal viewers which have these type of griefs built into them easy to detect if you have an illegal viewer or non approved TPV that can detect them. The other type of attack is (Key Attacking) something that is happening a lot by griefers using a script inside of a /null object to rez another object which is also /null creator and spam X persons avatar key with hateful messages, and or objects which can't be muted because it is unable to obtain the user name from this its a bug in SL which from what I hear was supposed to be fixed but a grid wide grief attack. Sim IP's for DDOS attacks are also easy to obtain with viewer you put mouse on minimap and it tells you Sim's IP address which I am sure is what griefers are doing too. There are legit reasons for such tools like knowing your sim's IP address I am sure especially when you work on scripting but there are also griefers who like to abuse all these functions.

RiiCassidy wrote: Im sorry correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't that a copybotting team ? Why would you even dare to download anything from them, the only way you would actually want to download something from them is to copybot. I mean it just doesn't make any sense to why you would even what the viewer in the first place. Especially if you type into google goonsquad secondlife, the first thing you see are griefering complaints. Sorry but no sympathy for you. Sounds like you were either doing something sneaky and got bit in the butt. Or you're just really not that bright to be honest. There are other reasons for downloading illegla viewers beyond the use of CopyBot, or Theft and I will explain them. In the past 2009-2011 it was impossible to tell who was griefing simulators with sound spam, asset crashing, and so on, with a CopyBot viewer you could do this, and this was before firestorm finally introduced the asset view feature which allows you to see who is playing a sound but removed the CopyBot part from it which is a great tool I loved. The other use is Griefing, with using a Proxy, or VPN server to hide your IP you can create as many accounts as you wish and constantly grief by using a illicit viewer to spoof your hard drive seiral, and MAC address sent to Linden Lab, another feature I found quite useful for somethings when it came to dealing with griefers I wont go into a lot of the details on this however. The viewers are now considered illegal under the new TOS, however until Linden Lab actually restricts all TPV's there are going to be griefers using illegal clients for malcious uses like ripping off merchants, crashing sims, griefing sandbox, heck I checked out google and saw that PN and all the griefer sites are becomming more and more active again which isn't good. KingGoon, is one of the biggest theft merchants in Second Life a lot of people from this place who release the illcit viewers constnatly rip off people I know in SL who work hard to create their content, while there is legit use for backing up inventory, and legit uses other than theft they are abusers thinking everything should be free and need to be shut down. Because of the way the CopyBot is a lot of people see it as a bad thing and that anyone who has ever used a CopyBot has abused a bunch of merchants or whatever which isn't always true I know of a lot of people in Second Life including people who are good friends with merchants right now who have used viewers not authroized by the TPV with the ability to CopyBot, even made the viewers themselves and they are popular well known scripters, so when it comes down to it to me its a matter of abuse of the bot that really needs to be under control not just instantly saying everyone is guilty at first sight. However still I would not trust any viewer from Goon Squad, KingGoon, or PN, as it puts your account at risk. As for personally taking out the trash I know who it was who compromised my account, It was the goons, and to be specific it was the person who had 5 copybotting accounts ripped off many merchants, made friends with friends I knew and when I found out about it I personally reported it, and it wasn't the fact they just had a bot but it was the fact they ripped off over 20+ different merchants I knew of, and then a few months following tried to frame me by sending out a big notecard of stolen content with my name on it, and finally the only way to get revenge was actually hacking the account, but they didn't get anywhere really did what virtual damage by deleting my inventory, well im still here they failed. THe only way to fix this issue is to restrict all TPV's and for Linden Lab to add more security, secondary passwords, and require their viewer only to connect to the grid no other viewers can connect anymore but a lot of people wouldn't like this although I say why the hell not if LL can give us a viewer like FireStorm now then yeah I wouldn't mind loosing TPV's it gives merchants knowing they can't be CopyBot anymore, gives us better protection from account hacks and so on.

As Stated Here. http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/Something-I-don-t-quite-understand/td-p/2000867 How To Deal With It. 1. Credit Card Transactions, if they fail to deliver your currency within 48 hours contact the third party exchanger and demand they deliver the L$ if not contact your bank tell them that they failed to deliver the goods purchased and get the transaction cancel as soon as possible. 2. PayPal, again after a purchase the merchant is supposed to keep their end of the deal if not contact PayPal and file a complaint for no delivery of items. In Game Exchanges, IF you paid in L$ to transfer between Grids, or In Game ATM's you are pretty much screwed. However there is no reason that these third party exchanges should not process the last transactions and cut off all transactions after this to follow the TOS, or Refund the money to the buyers, and process final transactions that have already been placed. If the company and exchange site is in the U.S depending You have the right to Small Claims in the least depending on how much was lost adn if its worthit. Following these steps I have not lost a single Third Party Transaction in any game or service. Third Party Companies, Have Nothing To Do With Linden Lab & Their TOS so they can still process the final transaction and close it down to comply with the new TOS or Refund buyers and so on.

I wouldnt mind having to pay a small fee to access SL, or having to own a sim, or pay tier to own land to be able to get access if only Linden Lab would have kept it like this perhaps SL wouldn't have been griefed so damn much over the 3+ years I have been there dealing with garbage griefers ruining Second Life for years even before I was even in SL. Its not always a bad thing if you get what you want out of your subscription $60 a year or even $80 a year isnt bad.

Contact your Credit Card Company, and file a claims dispute that the product was never delivered get your money back that simple, or PayPal, only use reputable companies when doing virtual good exchanges aka a way you know you get your cash back.

Do not download viewers from Goon Squad, or KingGoon. These groups are known CopyBotters, and Second Life Account Hackers, In late 2012 One of the people from their site, Hacked my Second Life Account as well as quite a few other accounts from people I know and have been phishing other Merchants in Second Life through fake marketplace links, and cool hack viewers. Only download viewers from this site, and be sure to read the disclaimer too. http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory Do not click Links in Second Life even from your friends that link to market place unless you are absolute sure to check the web address before putting any information in the login box. Do not download any of the following viewers. 1. Goon Life 2 Shooped Life 3. Second Life Professional Edition 4. Chocolate Life 5. Cryo Life 6. Phoenix King 7. Ganked Life 8. ILife 9. Unknown Viewer 10. Anti Life This is just a list of the 10 Last illegal CopyBot I can think of off the top of my head they all possibly contain password loggers and are hacking anyone who installs them. Also anyone offering viewers over the market place DO Not Buy Them! Back in 09 You could safely use any of these viewers for the most part but one of the developers went rogue and started to place password loggers in all the viewers on the internet, phish peoples Second Life accoutns and so on its not worth the risk of loosing your Second Life account, and the reason I have said Linden Lab needs to add IP Verification to protect peoples Second Life accounts incase a viewer does have a md5 password logger. And to be honest I wouldn't be shocked if one of the official approved TPV's doesnt become compromised before long and lots of accounts get compromised remember the whole Emerald Incident? Yeah could happen again so the only 100% safe viewer even though its not 100% safe is the Linden Lab viewer, Nothing is 100% secure but its better than any TPV. If by any reason you want a viewer with malicious the same tools all these illicit viewers have make sure they offer the source code and its possible to compile your own viewer with your own custom tools, crosshairs, and so on in the viewer not that everyone abuses the tools, or bot for that matter. In addition with all this said. GoonSquad & KingGoon Members love to hang around RP sims in Second Life, and New-Comer Hubs to CopyBot avatars, and sadly some RP sim owners allow them to CopyBot and know about it and do nothing its sad, but the moment you see any illegal activity in Second Life, or Hear about it outside of Second Life I would leave the groups and all involvement with the said parties, and avoid the welcome areas that these people like to hang around at. If you look on the goon fourms you will see that some peoples Second Life names are the exact same as their in SL names and its the same person who hangs out around the welcome area I can tell because of the way they post and the way they type in SL. If you are in doubt of ever joining a new group in Second Life, go to google, and search the group name, and add soemthing like "XXX Name of group" CopyBot" If its a known copybot group that I know of I have exposed it publically on unofficial fourms to avoid LL TOS I would avoid these for your own safety but do as you wish all evidence reguarding such has also been publically noted in many cases I can't post links here due to TOS, but others I know also do the same thing its a good way to avoid getting involved with such people and taking a stand to support the merchants you love. Report all Theft, and Phishing Attempts in Second Life too, even people you see wearing stolen content. However confronting a botter could be bad and lead to griefer attacks on your avatar including grid wide attacks which cant be stopped easily.