Les White

This should work. Where offset is the desired offset of the rezzed object from the root and angle is the desired relative rotation to the root (in degrees) llRezAtRoot("yourObjectName",llGetPos() + (offset * llGetRot()),ZERO_VECTOR, llGetRot() * llEuler2Rot( angle * DEG_TO_RAD),0);

They added a capture in the 'changed' event a while back. changed(integer change) { if(change & CHANGED_REGION_START) { //log it } }

It's ingenious ideas like this that remind me why I stopped making things for this backwards 'platform' that is ran by halfwits.

Free consultation/feedback follows : One thing positive; at least you got rid of what was the worst WYSIWYG editor in the world. Even though I didn't spend much time in the general section of the SL forums I find removing that section to be very telling of your objective here. This whole setup is a misguided attempt to control your public image. It will backfire. Just look at EA games reputation. You will try to appear loved by all with the use of censorship and removal of 'non constructive' post, such as this one, while in fact being mocked and **bleep** on by anyone who looks deeper then news letter titles. In other words.. your actual userbase. Why hire someone from the most hated game company ever? A man in charge of a virtual world that failed. Why give this guy a leadership position to introduce directives like this to do the same in this virtual world? A heavy handed forum is just WRONG for SL and will get you no where with the actual people who hand over money. Now best get some moderator to delete this post before someone reads it.

'Final thought for the whiners and complainers. Just like real life, people appreciate and will act on positive, factual and constructive feedback. And most people ignore whiners and complainers, as they should. You have a choice to be here. Lighten up or GTFO. I really enjoy Second Life and think it's an incredible experience. Over.' That's some wonderful whining and complaining there. Unfortunately we are getting the F out. Enjoy your wonder second life of empty sims and incredibly bad corporate propaganda. Over.

So, raising the arbitrary group limit to 42 and finally learning how to compress data before transfer is what passes for technological improvements these days? You guys are an unstoppable force of progress! Kind of like global warming. I'm sure in a few million years you'll have a real impact on things.

"On a side note, someone really needs to monitor orientation island. I was there the other day to help. The language and subject matter in the voice chat and local chat is inappropriate for a general rated area. If I were a noob just arriving and heard all that I would be left with the impression that SL was just a trashy place to be. Those members can have those conversations on mature sims , not on a general sim where new members are arriving. You may be scaring off potential new members by having such on the orientation island." Don't worry, the thought police are coming. You will be supplied a list of acceptable words and actions. Deviation from this path with result in a trip to the ministry of 'truth' for a re-orientation. Big brother is watching you. For your own good. We love you.

What do you mean 'it sucks'? What right does anyone have to tell anyone else what they believe something is or isn't. Sorry, i'm just playing games with you. Couldn't help myself The kids were already here. There was no ID check. It's all just a smoke and mirrors play to allow the lab to show numbers that inflate the grid size and population a little in the next report. It don't change a thang.

Galileo Moleno, with respect, look up the business model called 'freemium'. It's a recent model made possible due to the almost non-cost of operating and producing digital goods and services. Understand that companies like the German GameForge make 'hundreds of millions of euro a year' by producing free to play games with premium options. Know that facebook owners made near 1 billion dollars last year with all their 'free accounts'. Facebook developers made about as much in turn. For a 'social freemium' game you need to have grass if you want to have cows. SL is trying to be a 'social freemium' game, although the Lab is apparently stunned with how to do it correctly. They are stuck in the business model of re-RENTING server space in the guise of SELLING land and doing it at an incredible markup. If you remove the visitors to these lands the 'owner' of the sim will have no one to play with and will turn off the sim. SL would be even more of a micro niche product then it is now. I think we agree that a users possibilities should be limited or enhanced by the ability to pay for it, but i don't see how paying a monthly subscription fee to the lab offers any enhancement beyond the ability to buy up some virtual land. This assumes someone wants to sit in some virtual house for some reason or run some 'thing'. This is often not the case. I recently cancelled my own pointless premium subscription after 6 years. I was getting 500L a week from it (how do you like that new guys) so it pretty much paid for itself. I cancelled it to protest the removal of the online numbers. Now I am turning off my last sim as the final protest to this blunt insult of hiding the data. Do a little research on freemium income models if you care : http://www.eurosouthkorea-ict.org/documents/forum_presentations/CarstenVanHusen_Online%20Game%20service%20in%20Europe.pdf http://www.investmentu.com/research/video-game-industry-investing.html http://www.instat.com/press.asp?ID=2917&sku=IN1004659CM As to the new CEO... He's from the Sims and EA. TSO was a failure and EA are perhaps the most hated game company to every shaft a customer. Was he fired from EA due to their shrunken stock value and the failure of TSO? Was he hired by LL due to their lack of direction simply to prop up investor confidence to allow the gravy train a few more years of life? What do you think he will actually do? Maybe he will introduce missions,raids and personal stats like WoW then SL can retain the 5 minute av who leaves because there is 'nothing to do'. Maybe avs will have to use the washroom now. Yo Rod, I'm real happy for you and ima let you finish, but quake3 was one of the best world building engines of all time. Of all time! LL should do something bold: like hire me! I've got vision. I have no fear. There is only one way to break new ground and you'll never find out how from a user survey such as 'do you feel SL is getting better or worse?'. Here's what I would do : Forget the server farm reseller model. It's limited and short sighted. It does not scale. As I'm sure I mentioned YEARS ago there would come a time when cheap knock offs would offer the same amount of arbitrary 'land' and technology for 25$. Now it's here and you are going to die from it at an ever increasing rate as you focus on pointless directions such as viewers and theme lands. The one single thing that SL did better then anything before it was to ALLOW US TO MAKE THE STUFF. In other words, don't get all up in our grill with junk like linden railroads, linden homes, theme lands, viewers, special events blah blah. Just give us tools and remove the artificial limitations of your business model. Don't limit us to proprietary stuff like prims, sculpts, havok and LSL. Don't be the police or the help staff. Do this: Open source everything except the money transfer and the related identification services. Focus development on these 2 core concepts.. money transfer.. id verification. Allow anyone to run a grid/sim and database. Get all these 'open' sims to use Linden Dollars. Get the large community of open-source developers to tinker and improve the opened code instead of having the handful of in-house staff give us 1 or 2 useful functions a year in between unimaginative noob retention directives like display names, linden homes and ugly black viewers or completely misguided attempts to sell grids and sims to corporations. Create or adopt a markup language for 3d space and motion that can be interpreted by other scripting languages and compatible grids beyond the dead end of LSL. Use this in these open sims. Allow private databases down to the individual user instead of dead ended mothership databases to handle non persistent media. Grids that support .xxx type objects will be able to create instances of the objects from a personal database. Let people operate storage companies and let people operate endless shards with various directions of development and connectivity to other grids. Let it be a jungle of opportunity and possibility. You just help people move their money and their ID around because that is all there really is in common in the end. Provide a 'Linden Land' gated community grid for those who want advanced things such as proprietary physics (havok), windlight, copy protection and police/support (har har). Do not print money out of the air. Every linden dollar (or a re-branded credit with a less ugly name) introduced must be one that was paid for by a customer. Make your money by selling this linden dollar at a set rate and offering services such as cashing out the linden dollar to real life local currencies. There would be much overhead for this, but it would be directly proportional to the billions you make. Forget the facade of a 'market place' that you use now. In this way you have a much more unlimited future with the potential of unlimited users and making billions and billions of dollars. It's all about people using your money system in the endless possible shards of direction that digital networked social media will take. You should have done this 2 or 3 years ago, but who listens to me? Instead we still have this shrinking dollhouse that doesn't do anything overly well. I mean...we cant even send an IM in to SL except as a response.. we can't even confirm if llGiveMoney(amount,target) failed or not... our vehicles drive through walls or lag under ground...who are these new people on my damn friends list...it could make a man cry (in a cool mic jagger falsetto way of course). So, am I hired? Say yes. ---- A note to the faceless moderator of this forum. I'm just some guy, you know? I'm a little candid for a corporate forum perhaps, but I feel I've done enough to be allowed a voice in this public forum. I've been in SL since 04 when 2500 people on line was news. I've been developing things for SL the whole time. I make things work. InSL© I've helped in endless ways. I've run up to 4 sims at once providing content I've created in the form of play grounds and race tracks open to the public. My personal development has helped create communities based on virtual motorsports. I've 'ghost' scripted content for all kinds of top sellers. Many are proud to leave my name on the tag. I've taught tricks of the trade to countless people. I would say that stuff I've had a hand in can be found in just about every avatar's inventory over a month old. I have paid many thousands of dollars to the lab in the time I've been here and helped the flow of millions of others by my participation. I may be annoying, but I'm kinda relevant. So, if you delete my post at least give me a reason as to why you think my input is harmful to the general public. Or you should remove the comment option. Or... you should just ban me to prevent having to delete the outrage that will follow No kittens were harmed in the making of this post that no one is reading anyway.

Give it a rest dude. Phil actually contributes to SL in positive ways. He has an interest in how things work here. I would say he has done more good then jack. And who are you? By your own admission 'I never knew Jack, or had the pleasure of meeting any of the Lindens'... so WTH are you going on about? A man should stand on his deeds. This is a product not a fairytale. Some people have invested much time and money in the potential that was second life. Jack wasn't out curing the ill or teaching kids how to read. He was out destroying the potential of SL and screwing us, the customers and investors of this product, left and right. It was a simple golden goose. All he had to do was keep it alive and he failed. If he has critics then let him answer them instead of people sucking back happy pills who have no idea of what they are talking about.

Wow, i just looked at the 'beta site' for this. Complete joke. Someone who has spent 3 days learning html and css could make a better page. The punch line is that they had to farm it out to get this level of quality. lol! Any jr dev could make this whole system before lunch. Unbelievable really.

Or the Les blog either, apparently. Delete post, delete users, what's the big deal? It's called 'building a bridge to the community'. Would LL hide data from users? Yes. Seen the online numbers lately? Seen the extensive data they used to show when SL was actually a growth product and not a fading milk-run? They seem to have misplaced them. Maybe it's behind the couch in the virtual office. It's easy enough to counter arguments when you have a footing. They don't have a leg to stand on. So deletion it is, at the cost of their own credibility as any kind of viable platform. If there is any more doubt as to SL being a private companies money printing machine or a future protocol of a '3d internet', then this example should remove it. No worries, i'm sure charging the edu clients at the same rate as the rest of the suckers will make more money, oh wait, they all split. They will just have to rely on such innovative tech like linden homes, viewer2 and display names to draw in new users. Ya rly. So, how's those retention rates these days? How many 'premium' users are left? 50k? 40k? I can't wait to hear about how new user registration is up 100%! next report thanks to everyone scrambling to 'protect' their name by making Me.Residents. Just think, they will be able to report that stability is up as well as the load on the system continues to shrink. Complete success! The jokes don't stop.

"Also as a land owner I'm a little confused as to what name format I use if say.. I want to ban a griefer from my land who goes by the name Bob Resident. Do I type in Bob, Bob Resident or bob.resident?" I'd go with Jack, Jack Linden, Jack.Linden and half-wit, just to be sure.

Are you kidding? 'banclone'? LOL!!111 OMG. That was great, but I think you are not kidding. So, you suggest everyone introduce sensors (that will eat a CPU) and register with you and of course most importantly give you $L500 to 'protect' their name by auto kicking them? LOL!! Thanks. I needed that. Good luck with your profiteering off of peoples fears with a BS product.

Steffi Villota, that's so terrible you can only laugh. The lab is a joke, specifically Jack and his crew of dull blades. The reason for display names is probably something like this : some marketing squid at the lab (probably a hired consultant) asked un-retained noobs an exit survey something like : Please rate the things that made you leave SL from 1 to 5. can't have my own name 1[] 2[] 3[] 4[] 5 didn't like the viewer 1[] 2[] 3[] 4[] 5 couldn't find anything to do 1[] 2[] 3[] 4[] 5 the boobies scared me 1[] 2[] 3[] 4[] 5 ... and there you have a very plausible explanation for all the boneheaded things the lab has done in the last few years trying to chase money. They totally ignore their actual users in a vain attempt to get people who couldn't give a crap about SL and probably never will. Wonder how many of those standalone enterprise level SL they sold. Laugh. In the void created by the extreme lack of any vision or leadership you get this kind of survey induced middle of the road crud that makes no one happy and is slowly taking over the world.

Wow, that's really how it works now? That's beyond comical. People need to be fired and the people who hired them need to be fired too.

Thanks Torley I hate to rain on your parade (well, not really), but it's absolutely pathetic that the viewer does not have an animation picker built in. All this wasted sim CPU using craptastic LSL to parse a dozen lists 10 times a second just to override an animation. It is an insane way of doing things. Par for the lab. Enjoy the lag. That is all. No, actually, your forums suck beyond belief too. And havok 7 bites. K, I'm done.

I sat down to develop some protocols (geek fun) for the very thing you mention a couple years ago and came to the conclusion that there will never be 1 virtual world protocol or system. There will be endless evolving shards. Here's why : Will people need their sculpt shoes in farmville? Will supercar racing world dumb down their physics to allow your sculpt car with LSL scripting to ride on the roads? Will database supplier X allow some unknown source from grid Y to access to their database files to manipulate a users 'inventory'? Will virtual world X agree to this arbitrary 'land market' BS when it cost absolutely nothing more from a CPU to render 10, 100, 1000 times the area? Will math departments everywhere suddenly teach bad math so SL crap made now will continue to work? (for example according to LL you have to divide two quats in order to add rotations...) Will people continue with the nonsense of a 2d world map with 256m regions next to each other when there is absolutely no need what so ever? Will everyone stick to this low level that is SL (or any agreed level in a fantasy protocol) of physics? Scripts? Models? Network? No No No No. The world will not stop advancing in order to 'prevent content breaking' like this crappy SL does. That is the real bottom line. You can not make a TOS for a protocol. It's like making a TOS for http1.1. There is no company to enforce it. Http1.1 IS the protocol. Everything else is a chaotic swirl. To make it static is to kill the future. If Linden Lab didn't suck they would focus on money transfer systems that can be overlaid on top of the many shards and license this system. This is where the profit and freedom is. They already have 'millions' of clients using their half ass system. Instead they are shortsighted, gated community, server farm resellers. Phil is building a bridge to the community by sub renting us server space at an incredible mark up and printing money that has no foundation and selling it. This will not change, because we would riot like a crack whore with no rock. SL will have a slow death as people silently move on with things. SL is dollhouse. A toy. A creative sandbox. A platform unto itself. It is in no way a protocol for the future any more so then something like farmville is. The one single thing they got right is the ability to introduce user content with lots of power via scripting. I wish they would focus on this instead of all the endless BS day after day. If they gave us mesh models, C# and other industry standards (years ago!!!!), removed all the BS... like land-market, 256 sims, forced havok7 physics, LSL, sculpts, prims, forced server using, forced database using, gimped performance, and just focused on the money exchange API... maybe the world would give a damn about this dead end and phil would have more money then bill gates.

You know it's trouble when they can't even come up with a spin for the title. LL can't do simple things like make a damn forum or decent website. Why does this complete sh!t forum move my curser 1 space ahead of my actual 'text location'? Each time i hit enter, so that by the time my sentence is complete the curser is a mile ahead? COMPELTE FAIL at the simple things. The 'success' the SL enjoyed in the past was a fluke. I've been here 6 years and it's pretty clear that they have no idea what they are doing and the focus is short term money making. Pathfinder... the whole business of interconnected grids is a sham. It's a fool's dream. The stuff that is SLwill have no place in the future. No one cares about sculpts, prims, LSL and the other halfbrained stuff that makes up 'the grid'. SL is not and should never be considered a protocol for a virtual 'world' that will never exist. The virtual world is the net. SL is just a badly drawn windowdressing. A sham to make money. It's like a facebook for virtual world use, in the way that most facebook users think it IS the net. Interconnected grids is like suggesting my cassette tapes should play in my MP3 player. The future is tomorrow and has nothing to do with what LL have done. //screw spelling and grammer errors. Trying to find my location in the text with this curser is a waste of fn time.

Mesh is good. Let me break it down. 1. SL sucks. Mostly because it is irrelevant. The world doesn't care about sculpts, prims, LSL and all the other backwards reinvented wheels of SL. SL is mostly a joke amoung developers. A toy at best. Linden lab an ass-backwards company. A server farm reseller. A dead end. 2. SL will suck less when/if it becomes relevant to the rest of the world. It will do this by using industry standards such as mesh models and C# or some other decent scripting language. And possibly, one of these days, they will get a decent money API and maybe even forums that are not a complete joke. If the thought of mesh models brings visions of bankruptcy then you are self limiting. The tools are free. The knowledge is free. Grow with it or not. As YOU decide. Everyone makes their own fate.