Coventina Dalgleish

Ah the new viewer perhaps it has the default hand problem solved, well with viewer 3-3-4 I will never know. Uninstalled 3-3-3 and proceeded to install the new work of art. First sign something was amiss it took almost 4 minutes to complete, this is not normal. Ver 3-3-3 takes less than a minute to complete. Signed into SL to .1 fps and a frozen ruth cloud. hmm maybe I did something wrong did an uninstall and a reinstall hey I got .4 fps this time after 5 minutes some things had rezzed but not much. uninstalled it again reinstalled 3-3-3 now the sickness has spread to 3-3-3. This time total removal of all references to second life and linden research from the registry killed the sl folders in local settings ran a registry cleaner to pick up the loose ends and reinstalled 3-3-3 it works as before Seems there is a major problem in the new release, wonder of wonders. Testing , what's that? Also asset server performance is terrible almost as bad as it was just after the ver 6.0 viewer was replaced, and thats been awhile Too bad I was willing to put up with the LL eye candy for fingers that did not spastically change into wierd positions

This is a common problem that seems to vary from day to day. I am on the east coast and regularly can not log in with the LL viewer as it has now grown to include too much overhead. Firestorm loads a little better and when all fails I just use the Cool VL viewer which never seems to have a problem. Of course it does not allow the loading of mesh but does see them. This is also a problem with companys that centralize their servers in one geographic location. I realize it is expensive to maintain alternate server locations but Second Life has grown to the point that other locations are required for decent service. Speed tests and pings to their locations are always high lately. On a 20 meg cable line I get 200 ms pings regularly and MBPS readouts of .9 to 6 hardly cable speeds. On the other hand anything east of Chicago give very good pings and sppeds ( 40ms and 25 MBPS) so it appears that the server locations play a large part in this problem

Depending on your location the SL servers from the Eaast Coast US have been sporadic somtimes good sometimes horrible one trick is to keep your stat bar open and watch the fps if is is 1 or below on log in log out and try another log in each one selects a different hop to the servers with the current heat situation in the middle of the US most of us have to penentrate the fog to get a good connection ping times to the servers vary widely from 20 ms to well over 200 ms and speed tests to the area vary from 2 mbps to 20 mbps depending on the individual test I think we all see this would be nice for some other locations for servers after 9 years )) the stat bar fps is a good indicator of how good your connection is below 1 kiss it off 1 and above and climing as the candy loads good ctl shift 1 keep it in the upper right corner with fps and bandwidth showing

I also use an ATI setup on my main machine SL does not like ATI Sl seems very sensitive to the Catalyst version you are using the last version that works well is 12.1 released earlier this year January I believe if you are using the later versions SL seems to work for a while then becomes problimatical roll back to 12.1 then turn off the , sorry have to open it and look , )) in the 3d settings disable the Catalyst AI setting it seems that it makes problems

A Simple solution run a disk check on the SL drive then defrag it then run a registry cleaner to remove the open ended calls that windoz is trying to make

Again I ask this simple question. If you are using windows when was the last time you bothered to run either a defrag or a check disk SL has always crosslinked files giving you this type of problem registry mechanic will kill most of the hash that SL dumps in your registry and a quick check disk will unlink the files and thus remove the problem. This has always been the normal proceedure before running any un install program being the native windows version or the included SL un installer. Perhaps this is not common knowledge with todays users but it still remains a fact of life Linux and Unix and mac use a totally different file management system but windoz has not changed in a generation except for the format style of NFTS

This is a topic dear to my heart )) I have heard this since they day I logged in in 2005 you need the best tech to run SL well it is not true I built this machine in 2004 before I found sl to play everquest and with very reasonable (cheap) upgrades still does a fine job of translating all the new crayon drawings of the latest viewers, yes sometime I have to give it a good kick in the postierior. )) My biz partner just did a 3770k machine ,btw not for sl, even though she uses it now hehe and had to limit the frame rates to keep the GPU inside of what we call a liveabal conditions ( below 50c) and gets 40 to 100 fps on ultra all candy on. But you can still play this game with old tech all you need to do is have the best mother baord made for AGP and P4 current cost from china 80 bucks the best video card made for agp the ATI 3850 for 50 to 100 bucks, SL hates ati , )) the best reasonable p4 made the 3.4 over clocked to 3.7 a few fans to keep the old tech reasonably cool value of the old tec system less that 200 bucks. Sure you can go out and spend 1500 to 2k for the latest tech and you will have no concerns, well only the ones that sl can not keep up with it )) but you can live comfortably in the 20 to 30 fps range with old tech I never visit the glut sims that have 40 or over noobs trying to move I do not think any old player does as it will tax even the most up to date tech. The first time I heard I was old was when the duo core came out sorry not true I still had better fps than they did the quads made an improvement except sl has no idea wha to do with them only the latest say an nvid 670 on a pci-3 system will give you an improvement. As the new systems arrive on the market the old tech just gets cheaper you do have to improve your system to the maximum if you want decent results but my p4 @ 3.7 and my new ATI 3850, which btw out performs the nvid 9600 are very reasonble upgrades to keep in the game. Also if you do not have the max memory your system will accept you are playing a losing game. I have sl running on an old hp 2.8 it does not play well but I can hang an alt in my store and she squirms all night )) for customers to enjoy. There are alternate viewers also I am NOT associated with the guys at Cool vl but it runs well on any old system obtaining 20 to 40 fps no eye candy nice old v1 interface but it does see mesh so take a look around improve that old pos you call a puter it does not need to cost you a mortgage payment or make the kids eat hot dogs although my experience there says they prefer hot dogs )) I do use both firepit and the LL viewer to upload mesh but its always a stuggle because they both have to upload so much visual over load being old I do enjoy the old V1 format but have also embrraced ,slowly, the new look. Do your research on motherboards on google you will find many to replace that old dell or HP you are trying to use. If you are on an old laptop use it to keep the bread warm I must say I do look forward to my new I3770k setup but this machine still performs exceptionally well for this game oh as an afternote any of you remember mud walking back in the early days when the total on line user graph hit 2500 )) lets go for a walk )) hey why are we under ground hehe the improvements are too numerous to mention but the wierdness has also been incorporated The ass set server still seems to get lost too often. In closing if you use old tech use an old tech viewer with some of the up to date features and enjoy the game as with any on line game you have to keep the machine clean if you want good performance I can not believe how many people I ask when was the last time you defragged your root drive or run a simple disk check let alone cleaning the registry an area SL like to dump useless game slowing data oh and for gods sake move your cache off of your root drive and let it live a full life. Second life is far from dead I challange anyone to show me a more intuitive game for the creation of imagination and yes the economy has slowed considerably but then so has real life it is simply a reflection of the times so for those who say the game is dead you are only repeating the words of the past all of which have yet to be proved valid.

This problem seems to re occur from time to time even to those of us who think we know everything )) the only way to solve this problem we have found is to take everything off then do the gender test oh I mean everything every last little bit )) this puts you back in the pristine state as far as slug life is concerned do a male then a female depending on your persuasion or vice versa then try to wear and add your shape etc. This is most humorus when it happens to the macho guys and they grow breasts )) try that and see if it works it does most of the time. If not file an issue report with the slow life responders ))

You will have to cross translate this to Win 7 as I am only familier with the XP setup LL drops many files onto your computer many of which are not removed when you un install the program your registry will be over populated with dead strings that can complicate a good load. If you loaded SL with the defaults to your root drive in XP there is a set of files under doc and settings machine id local settings second life you need to eliminate this folder and allow a fresh install as it does become corrupted. I also suggest you get something like registry mechanic to clean your registry as SL does like to leave trash laying around )). If I remember correctly I believe these file exist under your user area in Win 7. If you do not use a registry cleaner after you un install SL Phoenix or Firestorm run regedit and search for Second life and delete then search for linden research and delete it same for firestorm and phoenix this will give you a clean slate for your next install you will get all the noob hint screens on the new load and it will not know who you are until you input your user name and PW. Be Careful in regedit as you can destroy your machine setup just look at every entry before hitting the delete key. I also suggest you move your cache off of your root drive making it easy to kill it manually. I also continually have problems with both the LL viewer and the Firestorm product since they are very similar in structure. Make a new folder on another drive then point sl to use it. I run the top of the line old tech )) have not yet taken the bite of new tech so I do like the coo LV viewer when I do not have to up load mesh as it returns a much higher frame rate no bells and whistles but does display mesh plus it seems to load when none of the other will. BTW I do use Cool VL on some very old slow machines and it does run, well to a degree )) Also SL hates ATI video cards I run a mix for performance reasons since they made the best AGP card ever made but they do have idiosyncratic problems at times Nvids never seem to have the problems but do not generate the frame rates required for comfortable game interaction. BTW if you are on old tech,ie. P4 and curious, its the ATI 3850 a PCI-e card with a built in agp converter performs as well as a Nvid 9600 it gives a good reliable 20 to 25 fps and at times as much as 50 fps if you can find them they are cheap these days 50 to 100 bucks )) In closing clean your machine of all linden files then do a reload it will make a big difference.

I do not know where you are located but recently the ping times to Linden servers have been all over the map I am on the east coast US speed tests to the local areas show massive 1 to 3 mbps on my 20 meg line this condition seems to affect the LL and firestorm products the most while the stripped down Cool VL viewer never has problems but then you can not upload mush with it )) Perhaps it is time for a few more Linden servers after 9 years rather than the west coast and Texas I am sure the Euro players would enjoy an east coast server. I have stripped both the Firestorm and Linden viewers totally from my machines this includes everything they hide in the registry and on your root drive sometimes it helps sometimes not. Another trick is to allow the first load of the viewer and quickly close it then do a reload it seems to help with performance.

I do not know if anyone else is having log in problems with the new beta release but I am down to 1 in 5 add to that 1 out of 3 mesh uploads 2 out of 3 times it is a crash to desktop. When I have a successful session I am seeing distortions in the model in the form of one or more triangular panels emminating from a single point. This condition also exists on older models that had good uploads on the past.

I do believe Linden Lab should fire up and old server pre version 6.0 and let some of the still very "wet behind the ears avatars" have a taste of Second Life circa 2005 After they enjoy that world I suspect they might be more impressed in the developement curve of this game. Of course those who state the obvious in their rl profiles I suppose never will have appreciation.

Well it is very apparent when a mesh uploaded the day before in the previous version of the viewer had no problems and in the new viewer it will upload but no data is presented LOD levels can not be modified and it costs 10 times the amount to upload and I am sure the prim load will be masiive the previous model had a load of 4 prims. I will not pay 10 times the amount to find out sorry Maybe the sun will risein the West I am not sure but when things work properly it always appears in the East

An addendum I knew there was a reason I kept the last viewer My first edit ended with the little message sending crash report I rarely crash and can not remember an edit crash in the last several years This viewer is a Duck since it walks like one and quacks like one..........

Second Life 3.1.0 (243176) Oct 16 2011 12:16:07 (Second Life Release) does not work Mesh is not uploadable Data is missing can not change the LOD levels always defaults to 1 You people need to sit down take a deep breath adjust your headgear and quit making silly changes like the auto mouse movement , btw I tried to follow your instructions on how to return to the normal default state, but it seems someone forgot to add the little check boxes in the specified locations maybe I am blind I am getting old You have heard this a million times PULL IT OUT please the last viewer had bugs but was at least functional

Have heard this many times over the last 6 years it wont go away but LL does introduce things that do not work very often irritating the users and now teleporting is again borked I know this is a temporary condition but still an indication that they swim in mud most of the time one might make the assumtion that after 8 years they would have figured a few simple corrections for the basic problems oh and as to getting things fixed I sent my original request to allow a switch to disable the default hand gestures in 2005 and we still have priority 2 default gestures overiding every other gesture I do get tired of seeing my hands in a fist inside of my hips.

We should not be surprised as LL uses us as the unpaid beta test division It will undoubtedly get better in time but just another case of releasing a product before it is ready No viewer 3 is a buggy poorly constructed instrument it is not drivers or your system it completes a successful load 30% of the time and then is a nightmare to use the communication with the asset server is poor at best always going into I am thinking mode it is an improvement over the last iteration but not to be considered a main line viewer

Mesh is certainly the wave of the future the big question is when. I could not use the previous version at least with 3.03 I can log in and not crash. Log in is a misnomer as it takes 10 minutes to fully load. After it loads I have a 33% chance of being ruthed and forced to go through the character test drama. I do like mesh but it is also problematical as to whether the program will keep the object rezzed I have had several just poof then the sim takes a while to release the prim load. As far as lag goes all seems normal sometimes good sometime bad there is never a constant for establishing a base line. I am no fan of the carnival display it would be nice to have a third option for builders bare bones without the segmented local chat window I am sure it is just as irritating but do not stay long in the viewer so I have no experience.

2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 and now 2011 One might think that someday asset problems will be solved NOT While the game has some very exceptional qualitys this is and has not ever been one of them

More BS from the developers why don't you just fix the basics and quit with all of the carp Also what are you doing to the servers the game is a joke Items created one evening are not anywhere to be found the next day This has been going on for several days. QUIT screwing around until you have something that almost works this has again killed sales good luck on getting your clients to pay for some new worthless hype system

After reading many of the posts this is just my conclusion Linden Lab your re naming scheme is just STUPID sorry if that is too blunt for you Your new viewer is a typical poorly thought out and initiated venture, a lag pit to say the least time to replace the high school programmers with real ones I know the kids are cheap but give us a break Take a look at some of the the third party viewers and pull your heads out for once they seem to have a better grasp on the game than you do The game has been in the accretion disk since ver 6.0, what happened then ))? I remember, this is the problem with old users LL we do have good memorys

Another well thought out plan by LL but then they made it easy for teens to access the main grid several years ago. I see this as another step in the progression to a 3d chat board ah well it was good while it lasted

I find this very funny who wanted this feature no one I know was asked guess we do not count since we are all ancient players A fake name for a Fake Name something ironic with that maybe we can get a fake game for a fake game next or a real game for a fake game or a fake name for a real game or no name for a real game I have stated many times over the last almost 6 years you will have to go back to basics at some point and fix the foundation and the support structure, if not one day there will just be a smoking hole full of spaghetti code. The ability to create the image of another by using a fake name seems to open another very large can of worms kind of like allowing non age authenticated avatar creation. There is no other game with the wealth of opportunity's this game offers it is just ashame that things such as this garner so much attention. Just one item improvement would be nice for example with every server "update" textures seem to take longer and longer to load and good luck waiting for the skuls to load

Does this really matter last night you did another reset and a presumed update now I can log in for 20 seconds before crashing and when I do manage to stick in game the textures load at a painfully slow rate and good luck ever seeing a sculpty. This game used to have manageable problems it now is a virtual disaster stop playing with silly add ons and cure the problem the game is no longer what one might call fun because of all the load you people have contributed I have never had a crash problem in the past Thanks again LL

Yes this is an experiment but the format will be extremely nerfed as it is in any web based format ok for shooter games but this is not a pre structured format. If designed to be fully compliant lag as we know it now will seem like a walk in the park. Even the structured games suffer from lag. It might be a nice addition for a quick check from any location since they killed the text only version earlier this year. I guess after over 6 years of membership here I am not qualified for anything except another avatar.