MasterEdward Avril

Petronilla Whitfield wrote: I don't own meeroos, so I have no personal investment here. I can see one argument for allowing the sellers to take back the animals. Here in first life, it is a common animal-rescue practice to include a clause in the adoption of an animal allowing the rescue organization to reclaim it if they see fit. The purpose is to make sure that the animals aren't being abused or neglected or used to fight, but typically conditions are not spelled out in order to avoid arguments over the interpretation of abuse or neglect. It is also typical to specify that any money paid to the organization for the animal will not be refunded. Of course, meeroos are virtual, so on one hand, applying the terms of adoption used for live animals is just silly. On another hand, a lot of silly things go on in SL to further verisimilitude. As meeroos need to eat (I believe), and need affection, and are able to breed, etc, the purpose of their scripting seems to be to create as far as possible the illusion of being a live animal. The meeroo's contract specifying that ownership may be revoked may be seen as part of that illusion. I think you and I both know that is not what happened. I had 2 Meeroos I was keeping.. I raised them for over 100 days.. fed them, cared for them, bred them.. and meepetted them.. If I was going to "mistreat" them.. would I have bothered paying nearly $1000L EACH to have them meepetted? Come on.. this was a selfish act of a vindictive woman, who although she claims to allow "opinions", did not want to hear mine because it did not follow along with hers... so, she banned me from the game.. (which, alone, would have been fine..), and then STOLE my "Animals" that I was caring for, and very well.. I might add.. they had more toys to play with and a supply of food like no other breeder would.

UncommonTruth wrote: Knowing nothing about anything, I can only read Ceka's post, wich makes the meeroos people look completely wrong. Sorry if I misspelled meeroos lol. I'm not understanding how you were banned from the game. For mentioning you were selling them? I guess this goes way over my head. If I'd ever had any temptation to get into breedables, this cured it. edit, cause I had misspelled meroos ^^ No, I was banned because they *CLAIMED* I had broken their TOS.. which, I have not, never would, never have.. but, even so.. I don't care if they banned me.. the problem I have, is that they STOLE property from me that I PAID FOR. I had 2 "Clover" Meeroos that I was keeping, that I raised from nests, fed through their life until they retired.. (food is not free.. pretty expensive) .. and then PAID to have THEM BOTH MEEPETTED .. which costs $995L each.. and they were both upwards of 100 days old.. so, I had them for over 3 months.. yet, they STOLE them from me. After speaking directly with Catherine Farspire (Lead creator for Meeroos), she told me she banned me for something I wrote on their open forum.. which, was there for OPINIONS.. and I expressed mine, only to get BANNED, *AND* Have my 100+ day old Meepetted Roos TAKEN from me. The claim that was given to me when I tried to rez a nest.. "Banned due to multiple *TOS* Violations" this is not true, and I don't care what anyone thinks.. REMOVING of PROPERTY that has been PAID FOR by the Customer (ME) is FRAUD. If LL doesn't do something about this, my lawyers will.

Melita Magic wrote: MasterEdward Avril wrote: Sorry, posting from my iPad, doesn't give me the "quote" option, lol Oh! Okay. No problem. My Ipad has been gathering dust. I'm still technically challenged, I guess! Never tried to post with it. Thanks for the dotted line. No problem.. back on my pc now.. Anyway.. am I wrong, or is this type of practice against the LL tos ?

MasterEdward Avril wrote The reason you can not find it, is because Catherine chose to remove the post. She told me this directly. Your post is still there. I have the page open, right at this moment. It's in the blog post announcing the Halloween costumes, for the person who wanted to know. BTW Edward not to be a noodge, but, could you put a line or something between what others said and your reply? It looks like you said the whole thing. Or, your name is going on someone else's post. =============================================================== Sorry, posting from my iPad, doesn't give me the "quote" option, lol

MasterEdward Avril wrote: <SNIP> The reason you can not find it, is because Catherine chose to remove the post. She told me this directly. /me shakes his head See...this is ALSO ridiculous. None of these breedables people will ever a single linden from THIS poster. I wouldn't touch their crap with a 10M pole. I don't know about other breedables, but any merchant in second life that practices such illegal practices, should be banned from second life in my opinion.

Ranting on a LL website isn't going to get you anywhere. The court of public opinion has no authority and is frequently completely ignorant of the law. If you're so convinced that you've been wronged you should retain competent legal counsel. Be assured, I am not here to rant, merely to both educate and express my public opinions, as we all are.

You say that I don't know the full story. That may be because you seem incapable or unwilling to tell us what that might be. Having re-read your post here, my impression is that we have selective snippets. I should also add that I have searched against your name on the Meeroo website and your only post (at least your only post now visible) is that which you claim got you banned and which I earlier set out in full. What had caused you to express disgust in that post? Had the issue which led to you being banned already arisen? If so, how can you claim the post expressing disgust got you banned? The reason you can not find it, is because Catherine chose to remove the post. She told me this directly.

I'm sorry to hear that. Meeroos are a big investment. I express myself there as well although I hope they wouldn't see it as negative since I do also say many positive things, and am active and proactive in the meeroo community. It is very scary to me that my investment could just POOF. I do not think that should ever happen, once something has been purchased. At least give the person an opportunity to give their belongings to someone else, or to sell them. If they want to stop them posting there, or playing in future that is another thing and within their rights I guess. But, taking belongings seems above that. Can you appeal your ban there? I appealed directly with the "mother" of meeroos , Catherine Farspire. To no avail...

Venus Petrov wrote: Then do not waste your time here, sir. File an Abuse Report. Which I have done, but I wanted others to know the "Abuse of power" they posess, and use, at WHIM.

Venus Petrov wrote: I am not an owner of any type of breedable but it sounds like the jist of this tale of woe is to make sure you read and understand any agreement upon purchase, abide by the rules set forth by the seller, and enjoy your toys. Their TOS states.. "altering scripts.. etc" Which I have not done. EVER.

PeterCanessa Oh wrote: I'm replying to Dana as she has made the 'general' case: For whatever reason this kind of functionality is included, it amounts to nothing more than a "bait and switch" As such I'd say it's not a matter for AR or at least not for AR alone. There isn't much LL can do that will punish people who abuse abilities like this. What I mean is that, at most, LL can remove the privilege of access to SL by banning people. If you want them really punished you need to take it to RL. Those affected need to launch a RL class action against the creators of these objects. The usual response to that, of course, is "it's not worth hiring lawyers" - in which case this is simply inter-resident drama. Either people care enough to do something real about it or they don't. If they don't then the creators will just continue to get away with it. IF necessary, this will go to RL, I assure you.

Ian Undercroft wrote: With respect Ceka, what you say is nonsense. The Meeroos ToS gives you licence you access to the product and database. If you breach that licence, it may be terminated at the instance of the licensor. The meeroos will then "poof" because they are, for their continued existence, dependant on access to the database. The right of a licensor to terminate a licence in specified circumstances is a basic and elementary element of the law of contract. Have you read that TOS, sir? I have. I did not break ANY TOS, yet they felt the right to do what they did.

Ceka Cianci wrote: i've seen threads where horse breeders have had thier horses taken like that as well.. I can see if someone were to complain about something and not be allowed to purchase anymore.. but they shouldn't have the poswer to take back what was sold to you ..not unless it was at fair market value or atleast a total refund.. it's theft otherwise..i don't care how much you irritated anyone..what is paid for is paid for.. this is the area that LL needs to have things able to be AR'd..imagine if all creators did this.. those scripts were really made for creators of builds that were taking part payment or payment at the end of the project..if payment wasn't received then they just blew them up.. now they are used for this crap..bleh i would still AR them anyways just to see where it goes.. I have AR'd them. For all breaks in the TOS, which.. they have. Stealing content that I paid for.. is just that.. STEALING.. and that is illegal ANYWHERE.

Ian Undercroft wrote: I note that you make reference to having purchased one of the novelty Halloween costumes. When they were announced on the official Meeroo Blog you posted by way of comment: Just an fyi.. I am disgusted.. so.. if anyone wants to buy my entire inventory of meeroo nests, AND my lives.. including Koi, Cales, Cinders, traits, more.. around 200 or more.. IM MasterEdward Avril in world asap... before they go poof Yours appeared a lone voice of dissent. The "disgust" you expressed was unreasoned and appeared to me illogical. It now appears that you hypocritically went out and purchased that which you expressed "disgust" about. If, as appears, you were intending to "poof" your meeroos, why are you now bothered that you have been banned? A possibility is, of course, that you simply posted your comment because you saw an opportunity to advertise nests for sale. You will, no doubt, be aware that advertising for sale is prohibited on the Meeroo website. Alternatively, you're one of the many perpetual flamers and whingers that seem to plague the Meeroo Blog and Forums; always expressing "disgust" and threatening to leave but, unfortunately, never actually leaving. Either way, in my view, it serves you right that you've had your come-uppence. I suggest you pay attention, and not make "guesses" as to the reasoning. For you to say "serves me right" is simply irresponsible on your part. What you are saying is.. if you say something negative about the company.. "serves them right" to steal content that YOU PAID FOR.. and ban you from the game. Remind me not to do business with you.

Dana Hickman wrote: Griffin Ceawlin wrote: In any case, if you're so "fed up with meeroos," why do you care? Probably because it's not about the breedable itself so much as the fact that creators are allowed to script in ways to return, delete, or cripple a valid purchased product at their own whim, without having to clearly and blatantly notify the customer before purchase. For whatever reason this kind of functionality is included, it amounts to nothing more than a "bait and switch" when it's used for ANY single thing other than post-copy (copybot) protection. Best advice is to research more before purchasing these kind of heavily scripted items, and to never purchase any ones that include a hidden recall, cripple, or delete function that the creator can mess with. OPs like this one are how others find out about these things, and because the creator's certainly not going to tip his hand on stuff like this. That is exactly the point. To my knowledge, this is against the LL TOS.

Griffin Ceawlin wrote: Which "open forum" was that? The one they pay to maintain? Or was it one of their inworld groups? I don't know that I would really consider either an "open forum." In any case, if you're so "fed up with meeroos," why do you care? Read the entire story, sir. I had saved TWO meeroos, for my RL Daughter, because she loved them.. they were at least 100 days old.. and I had planned on putting costumes on them FOR HER. However, after banning me from the game fraudulently, they then STOLE those two meeroos as well.. which I PAID FOR, FED, AND MEEPETTED.. FOR MY DAUGHTER.

Cinnamon Lohner wrote: Banned from what?? Your post is very unclear in that regard. Banned from logging into SL? Banned from owning meeroos. What exactly is the nature of your ban? --Cinn They banned me from the game.. which is fine with me.. no biggie.. HOWEVER, stealing content that I PURCHASED and WAS IN MY POSSESION.. is against the LL TOS.

The other night, I voiced my opinion on how I was fed up with meeroos.. it was my opinion, and in an open forum. For this, I was banned. However, the reason I was then told I was banned was for "Multiple Violations against the TOS". Which, is completely untrue. How did I find out? I went to rez a meeroo a friend gave me, to put a new costume on it.. just to keep for decoration and what not.. and the nest vanished.. was TAKEN from me, with the Banned message I posted above. And, if THAT wasn't enough.. They took the only two Meeroos I kept from my original group: My two Clover's .. which I kept because my daughter loved them.. they were meepetted.. and yet they had to take those too? That brought me to the realization that.. they have just too much power.. what is to stop them from taking anyone and everyone's at whim? If you upset them? Be warned.. they WILL take your roos if you do.. and don't expect any reinbursemtent.

Mesh.. well.. the idea of it.. is great! Awesome even.. however.. Linden Labs, in their infinite greed.. have made the mesh more prim hungry than sculpties ever were. So, pretty much mesh is good for one thing.. clothes. Otherwise.. you are still much better off with sculpties.

"First off, I need to agree that the process for getting USD out of your account is fairly clearly spelled out, and being upset about that process only screws with your serenity and will do nothing to make the situation better. Quite the contary, you post here in an angry and advesarial bent and you get angry and advesarial responces." - Wow, you must be on payroll. LOL "That said, the rules regarding getting USD out of your account really have nothing to do with LL. US credit regulations allow funds to be added back into a debit / credit card or credit card only account only when that amount was originally withdrawn from the account by a purchase." - In all actuality, is that not what I am doing? I purchased lindens with that bank card.. and am now asking for it to return. "The problem for PayPal users is that PayPal operates differently in different countries based on local rules, where LL operates on US law. When I transfer funds from PayPal to my linked bank account I do not get charged, and do not get charged fees by PayPal on LL payments to my PayPal." - You may not realize it, but yes, you do. It clearly states directly on the webpage for using paypal, that PayPal WILL charge you a $1.00 minimum fee. "I believe the only method now to withdraw USD from your SL account is to use PayPal or have it deposited to your bank account." - So.. if I can have it deposited to my bank account, please explain how?

Thank you, Knowl. I am going to just close this as answered, as it has just become a flame fest, lol.. I have better things to do with my time..

Thank you so much, for all of your help.. you are so great.. I wish one day to be a SL god like you.. *sigh*

Thank you soooo very much for fixing that for me... I can't tell you how excited that makes me.

I appologize if I hurt anyone's feelings.. I was clearly frustrated, and everyone seems to love a villain.. so have at it.. but.. know that I could give a shit less what you say at this point.. k? thx bye And thank you so very much for pointing out my mispelling. I am so happy now.

And you call us assholes? ESAD! Doc, look... triple ESAD! Why you had to take the time to chime in, is beyond me. lol.. Anyway.. listen.. this is to ALL of you.. I appologize if I hurt anyone's feelings.. I was clearly frustrated, and everyone seems to love a villain.. so have at it.. but.. know that I could give a shit less what you say at this point.. k? thx bye