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While it may be "ok" to resell stuff you got for free, it isn't really ethical to do so.
The creators have made the items available to others for free and for you to go along and sell them i norder to make money off of something others are giving away isn't a good policy.
Not to mention that I have seen plenty of people leave really nasty reviews on listings when they find out they paid money for something that they could have gotten free elsewhere.
You will eventually end up with a really bad reputation.
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The Xstreet web site is closed. Any links that point to that web site are outdated.
In order to sell anything with No Copy rights, you need to add the item to the Magic Box then go to the Marketplace web site and create the listing there just like you do with regular items.
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insilvermoonlight wrote:edit: I have read the marketplace selling policies and the rules seemed to be geared towards selling and making a profit of of anothers copyrighted objects. I could be wrong, that's why I wanted to check here and get some opinions.
I think you must have misinterpreted what you read.
The Terms of Service clearly states that you may not sell products that you do not own the rights to, and the marketplace policies reiterate that.
2.7 You agree to respect the Intellectual Property Rights of other users, Linden Lab, and third parties.
You agree that you will not publish, or submit to any part of the Service, any Content that is protected by Intellectual Property Rights or otherwise subject to proprietary rights, including trade secret or privacy rights, unless you are the owner of such rights or have permission from the rightful owner to upload, publish, or submit the Content
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/listing_guidelines?#branding-guidelines
Branded items may be listed or sold only by the brand or intellectual property owner or its authorized agents.
Under US Copyright Law if you are sued by the copyright owner and found guilty, if the judge in the case finds that you willfully violated the law (meaning you knew you were violating the law but did it anyway) you can be fined anywhere between $200 and $150,000 per violation above and beyond what you owe to the owner of the copyrighted material.
Do you really want to risk being sued and fined upwards of $150,000 for a few fake linden dollars?
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JustKelly wrote:Sell them individually and then also offer a fatpack with all or many of the varieties at a combined and then slightly discounted price.
This!!
As a consumer, it is great to be able to pick and choose which flowers/plants that I want. But it is always nice to know that I can get a small discount if I purchase in bulk.
Wih flowers/plants, you can even nail down a few different ways of doing this.
1. Individual Plants
2. Fatpack of similar/same plants in different colors
3. Combination Pack. (Different flowers/plants all in the same group type, like Spring)
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It is a shame that you are just preaching to the choir.
The people on this board actually care about what happens on the marketplace. Unfortunately, we only make up less than 5% of sellers and consumers.
The vast majority of the sellers dont give one whoop about how what they are doing is screwing it up for everyone, including themselves. They just flat out do not care and even if a clue jumped up and bit them in the nose, they still wouldn't get it and still wouldn't care.
I feel bad for the people who have to try to maintain and tweak the site to try to compensate for the stupidity of others and I am glad I do not have to do their job. Not only do they get smack from the complaints about how bad it is, they get smack when it isn't changed fast enough, or it is changed in a way that others don't like.
While I admire the underlying vision that they have for the site, ya know, everyone has equal chance to compete and sell their stuff, maybe it is time to change the site into a showcase for the top 1000 sellers/creators and just be done with the junk, and scammers, and spammers, and other riff raff that show up.
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The Marketplace didn't, and hasn't, destroyed in world shopping.
Lag, inability to find what you are looking for, cookie cutter mall type shops, they all kill in world shopping by making it a chore to search and find items, not the ability to buy on the Marketplace.
It is hard to compete with others if you sell the same stuff, so you need to make you stand out. Not just your stuff, but you.
Think about the last time you when shopping in world. What was good? What was bad? As a seller, you want to avoid the bad, and make the good stand out in a way that keeps people coming back to your store.
As a shopper, I want to see what you have created, and I want to see it in a way that showcases what you created.
Stop trying to have more stores than anyone else, and concentrate on 1 location that is going to last a very long time. I want to see and experience a show, not look at pictures on a wall.
So, how can you impress me and keep me coming back as a shopper and make you stand out above all others?
1. Location. First and foremost I need to be able to find you. This means naming your land after your store. And keep it simple. Do not cram your land name with everything you create and sell.
2. Show off. I want to "see" what you created. I want to feel it, sit on it, walk around it, under it, touch it, etc. Sticking pictures on a wall doesn't let me do that. So keep that to a minimum.
3. Give me a reason to keep coming back. Simple changes can make all the difference. Showcase your newest/greatest items on a recurrent basis.
That's it. Plain and simple.
So, how DO you do that?Here are some examples.
Landscaper - Spend time laying out the parcel like a well designed garden. Trees, walkways, garden walls, etc. And set everything for sale. This way I can walk around and see what the trees look like, and if I want to buy it, I can click on it and purchase it. You offer the trees in a different color etc put small pictures out next to the tree showing the other colors so that I can buy those if I want to.
Furniture Builder - Rez a house on your parcel and decorate the house with your furniture, set the furniture for sale. This way I can walk into a kitchen and see what your design looks like. I can touch the counters, fridge, coffee maker, etc. and then I can buy it if I want to. I can walk into the bathroom and stand in the shower, or turn on the sink. Etc. If you sell the items individually as well as a set, set each item for sale for sale, then stick a small picture on the wall that acts as a vendor where I can buy the entire thing. You offer the same set in mulitple colors/finishes? Cool, put those as pictures on the wall as well.
Photographer - Rez a building and place your artwork on the wall. Heck, make it look like a museum. If you sell the artwork, set each piece for sale. If you sell your services, add a notecard to the picture so that when I click on it, I am given a notecard with your store name, location, your name, your price list, and a way to contact you.Clothing Designer - Keep your wares separate. Women's, Men's, Childrens, etc. should all be in separate areas. Showcase your newest stuff. Use a model/manequin to show off 1 sample of the design, then use pictures on the wall to show the other colors. Always use your best selling colors and designs on the models.
So a few more tips and tricks.
Keep 1 main location. If you sell on the Marketplace, make sure your items and your store point to the main landing point at your store.
Include a location to see the item in world on each item, but for god's sake, land the person AT the location of the item, not your main landing point where it will be a pain to hunt through your store to find the item.
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Most likely people who use gmail for SL are tagging the emails as spam and that prompted it to get added to the gmail filters by google.
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1366858?hl=en
"What you need to know:
After you report spam for several messages from the same sender, our system will learn from your behavior and might continue placing that sender's messages to Spam even if you don't specifically report them."Not much the lab can do about it since LL doesn't have any control over what google does with their gmail system.
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Pamela Galli wrote:There was not much room to say what I wanted about the role of BOTH # of sales and price (a 1L item may have 1000 sales but if a similar 500L item has half as many, that is 1000L vs 250,000L, so to me the latter is much more relevant , but I included these:Make the words in the NAME of the item have greater relevance than the keyword box. If the NAME of the item is TABLE then it is more likely to actually be a table.Do not include avatar or store name in item search. A shoe business called Paula's House will always show up on search.Limit the length of the keyword box so the merchant will only have room to put the most relevant words. One line is plenty.
All good ideas and I agree with you.
Keyword spam is the biggest thing I see that is ngatively affecting the Marketplace and making search horrible.
1. The store name should not be included in Item Searches.
2. The avatar name should not be included in Item Searches
3. The store description should not be included in Item Searches.
4. Keywords should be limited to a specific number of fields, like 10.
If I only had 10 keyword fields to describe my item, I certainly wouldn't be wasting that space trying to add a bunch of junk or brand names to try to game the system.
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I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for an answer.
Ever since they changed the wording on the tos I stopped expecting them to say anything about what they are doing.9.5 You are not our employee, and you have no rights to compensation.
You acknowledge that your participation in the Service, including your creation or uploading of Content in the Service, does not make you a Linden Lab employee and that you do not expect to be, and will not be, compensated by Linden Lab for such activities, and you will make no claim inconsistent with these acknowledgements. In addition, no agency, partnership, joint venture or franchise relationship is intended or created by this Agreement.
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Kelley Wonder wrote:This is the message I get when trying to list at 0L...."There were problems with the following fields:
- Master base Distributions require a price of at least L$10"
I have tried listing at 1L also, and I get that same message.
You provided the answer in your quote.
Remove the distribution from the listing.
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Perrie Juran wrote:According to the Wiki,"Linden Lab offers a L$10,000 bounty for each previously unknown exploit that can be verified."Where do we all apply for our bounty?Oh, and Peter, LL did not discover the bug. We did. At best you have discovered the "cause" of the bug now.
Actually, you have no clue if they were aware of it or not before it became public knowledge in this thread.
As much as LL goofs things up, do you honestly think they would have come out and said "This can be bypassed in this manner" just to let everyone know that they were aware of the issue?
No gaming company willing admits to an issue before it is public knowledge, no matter how long before it became public they knew about it.
You are assuming that because it wasn't common knowledge to everyone else, namely us, the users, that LL didn't know about it and was actively working to fix it.
There is a difference between White Hats, Black Hats, and Wanna-Be's.
White Hats tell the company
Black Hats tell no one and exploit it
Wanna-Be's tell everyone so they can try to make themselves look important or impressive to a bunch of strangers
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Tari Landar wrote:I am quite certain, yes, I base that entirely on experience. I could probably go back through and see if I still have chat records about all the stupid junk me and my friends used to buy each other, not that it really matters. At the time, it was funny, well some of it was funny. That's the only reason I know it was possible. And the reason it was eliminated-according to LL, was because of the whole "griefing" thing(although, that has never been proven to BE a problem to begin with). I also remember people being annoyed when we were no longer able to do it. The only reason I remember, is because, as I said, we used to do it a lot. A rather large group of us that had come over, permanently, from a game elsewhere, used to gift newbs all kinds of free stuff from Slex. That's where my hubby got the shorts he's wearing, and yes I am absolutely certain they were $0l. I wouldn't have sent them otherwise as neither one of us had put ANY money into sl at the time, lol. I couldn't have gifted them to him if they weren't $0l, since my balance sat at $0l for over a year.Now, some merchants CHOSE to not list anything at $0l, because they thought the ability to gift $0l items to others would become, or was, a griefer's delight. I didn't share their opinion(still don't), but apparently LL did, and does. It's their MP, so, they make those rules.
Maybe you were using OnRez and they allowed it. But it was never possible to send free items to others through SLex or Xstreetsl.
Dont believe me? Look up your purchase history for SLEx and Xstreet. You wont find an item on there that was gifted to someone else that was free.
LL took over the marketplace in 2011, not 2007. If LL had changed it when they took over, the changes would have happened after 2011, and you wouldn't see comments dating back to 2007 (less than 1 year after Apotheus created SLex) stating that you cannot send free items as gifts to other people.
Memories are faulty. Look at all of the people exonorated by DNA who were convicted solely on the basis of "memories of eye witnesses". You might "remember" doing it, but it doesn't make it true.
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Tari Landar wrote:Jacob Cagney wrote:Tari Landar wrote:It used to be(in the Slex and Xstreet days) that we could gift $0l items to friends. Unfortunately, again, LL has mucked that up.Not true. You could never send freebie through the system to people.You are 100% incorrect. Xstreet and Slex, used to have that ability. Eventually, xstreet got rid of it too-when LL aquired it. However, this is *exactly* how I had, at one time, gifted many things to friends. I know for a fact that it was possible, because my hubby is actually currently wearing shorts that were $0l I found randomly and thought were hilarious. So I sent them to him when he was new to SL, long before he was my hubby
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:58 am"1L keeps alot of girefers from doing impulse griefing...at least on places like slex. thats why on this site you can not send free stuff to friends, cuz people send free stuff to people to spam them...the idea is most griefers make accounts on short notice and wouldnt want to have to load it with money...."Note the date of the post. It was never possible to send free items to other people through SLX or Xstreet for the exact reason noted in the post from 2007. (6 years ago)While I am sure you are sincere in your belief that you were able to send a free item to someone at one point in your lifetime through SLX, your sincerity doesn't make you right.It never was and never has been possible to send free items to other people through SLX, Xstreet, or the SLM. -
Tari Landar wrote:It used to be(in the Slex and Xstreet days) that we could gift $0l items to friends. Unfortunately, again, LL has mucked that up.
Not true. You could never send freebie through the system to people.
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http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Merchants/New-Payment-System-Questions/m-p/2067699#M35956
http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Merchants/New-Payment-System-Questions/m-p/2074707#M36137
http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Merchants/New-Payment-System-Questions/m-p/2076265#M36211
http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Merchants/New-Payment-System-Questions/m-p/2080327#M36356
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Pryda Parx wrote:I think this is mainly a failing in the support systems. We need the Labs to be successful and profitable otherwise SL would disappear and quite frankly that would make me very unhappy.Software has bug that's a fact of life, so the marketplace has bugs, they didn’t test it well enough before going live and as a result there is a big mess. I'm sure they are trying to sort it out as best as they can. And I'm sure that our interests align to those lovely people from the Labs.But what I take issue with is the minimal feedback to the merchant community, the cycle of raise a support issue, response as raise a bug report, close the support issues, raise the bug report, close the bug because it's a duplicate. For me that's not good enough.All I really want is a "sorry Pryda, we are trying to sort it out and you should have your money in a couple of weeks". How hard can that really be for them?
When I asked, I got pointed to all of the posts by CTL, including this one
http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Merchants/New-Payment-System-Questions/m-p/2076265#M36211
Which says exactly what you are asking them to tell you. *facepalm*
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Maddy Effingham wrote:Well the respond I got from Dakota Linden is that it may take up to a week for the refund/compensation...so I suggest just keep a close eye on your SL transactions for any transactions relating to the irginal failed payment
Since CTL said that already, did you expect him to give you a different answer?
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Deja Letov wrote:The ads are getting really stupid too. Today I logged in and at the top of my screen were 4 busty chicks, one apparently had no bra on and her top was wide open but the picture was conveniently cut off right above the **bleep**...with the message "We don't like Young Men! We want you!" So they are trying to say I'm old...and male? The chick with the giant basketballs on her chest was kinda hot I guess, if you're into girls. They could at least make an attempt to tailor them to a video game genre, or business, or let SL merchants advertise or something. but really...SL peddling smut and what I'm assuming is a adult porn website? Really SL?
http://www.businessinsider.com/gavin-barwell-humiliated-by-adsense-2013-3
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Change the permissions before you re-send the item. Problem solved.
When I have a no copy/ trans item that someone keeps telling me they have problems with, I change the permissions on the item to copy / no trans then send them a replacement with the new permissions.
This way even if they are trying to scam me, I can just send them a replace of the copy enabled version over and over again and I know they cannot pass out those extra copies to anyone else. -
Perrie Juran wrote:Shelby Silverspar wrote:I thnk Amazon shouldn't have set this deal up so that multiple SL accounts could purchase the same product (free lindens and free hoverboard, I think) using the same Amazon account... so they pulled the offer.
Maybe I am missing something here, but where does it say AMAZON set this up.Amazon just provides the listing/selling service.Linden Lab would have set the listing.Linden may have created the listing, but Amazon is the company that lets people link a bazzillion free alt accounts to a single amazon.com account, thereby being able to "buy" the pack over an over again.
I agree with Shelby on this one, Amazon totally screwed this up by letting their own amazon.com account holders do that and I hope they fix the screw up, or cough up the lost money to LL for the screw up.
If I were CEO of Linden Lab and came back to work on Monday and found out that Amazon.com let this happen because of oversight with their own account controls, I would be livid.
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Pussycat Catnap wrote:16 wrote:Pussycat Catnap wrote:
I'd rather save SL from death than make it 30 second more convenient.SL will die, if merchants don't return to the land. All that kept the many venues where they stuff they sold got used in business was funding tier from renting them shops.Sometimes you need to think beynd your own self and look at what's best for the larger community.What will you do, when such 'me me me' thinking causes all of the clubs, art venues, roleplay sims, hangouts, ballrooms, live music venues, discussion venues, meter sims, racing sims, XXX sims, and every single other form of community sim to vanish... because they can no longer fund tier?What good will anything one buys on market place be, when all that is left is empty mainland and linden homes.i think you being a bit more gloomy than need to be+well-run clubs survive. always have. not well-run and they dont. is same SL as RL thisbars in SL do better. same in RL. they get regulars who keep coming back time after time. the clubs that survive in SL may look like a club. but they bars really. if look at the longtime survivor ones. can see thisSo tell me how any of these, even the "well run ones" fund themselves?I'm not talking traffic - traffic can be healthy and a place will die if it can't pay tier.MP helps the traffic, but steals the tier.Tell me how, without any source of income, they will find a source of income? Name the new magic bullet they will use now that rental fees are drying up.Some big brands are there now - but why? How long do you think that will last when they get no or marginal sales from it? Promotion? Better done through fashion blogs and the feeds, and MP itself - as those are the venues through which customers come.They haven't all given up on inworld yet. Many still cling to it irrationally out of a sense of duty for the greater good. But people with that kind of ethics are less common. Just look at the reaction I get to suggesting MP be killed: selfishness dominates. Over time, the holdouts still clinging to malls will die out / give up. As they do, and this is already happening - venues relying on them will close.So tell me, once they are all gone; how will the places you love to visit pay their bills?The MP isn't the problem. It is the junked up stores in world.
I gave up buying in world when it was SLExchange 4+ years ago.
Why?
Because shopping in world is a right royale pain in the butt!!! Searching for an item, doing to the store, waiting 20+ minutes for everything to rez, stuck at a landing point no where near what I was looking for.
Once everything in my immediate area rezzed, I had to try to hunt for what I was looking for amongst all of the other stuff that the seller had placed out on their area.
With absolutely NO guides or pointers showing the way to the area I wanted, and most of the stuff stuck in vendors on the wall that I had to page through, over and over and over again.. usually to find that the 1 item I wanted wasn't there, so I have to move to anothere area and wait for everything to rez in that area, and then do through the vendor hunting again and again.
Screw that!
The MP isn't killing in world sales, the sellers are by having a horrible set up and store and allowing dozens and dozens and dozens of scripts to run in their stores adding to the lag along with 14,000 prims that are trying to rez and a store that is laid out in such a manner that flee market sales look like Saks Fifth Avenue.
If more places were like Luna Bliss, or DE Designs, I would spend more time browsing and shopping in world and spending time in those locations to boost traffic numbers.
Sellers who refuse to adapt and optimize their stores are the ones ruining in world sales, not the MP.
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Pamela Galli wrote:ZebrasTurnPink wrote:Second life closed down the listing due to people making alts to get more lindens. In all honesty, what did they expect?
Exactly. How many here could have predicted that? As usual, LL behavior is that of a company that knows nothing about its clientele.Most likely this is a total screw up and clusterf*** by Amazon and not Linden.
Amazon is the one that lets you link multiple SL accounts to the same amazon account, thereby allowing the creating of free alts so that those users who "think" of ways to scam others are able to just get the pack over and over again.
Very possible that Amazon saw this activity on their own amazon.com user accounts and shut off the listing over the weekend until they could knock heads with Linden on Monday and get a solution.
Also very possible that Linden had no clue that amazon would let users link new/different accounts over and over again to their amazon.com accounts, thereby abusing and scamming the system.
Personally, I am glad that the listing is shut off. I would hate to see the consequenses on the exchange and value of the linden dollar had this been permitted to continue.
I also hope that Linden takes a hard line with those user accounts that pulled this stunt and terminate their accounts and recover the funds.
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http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Merchants/Way-to-go-Commerce-Team/td-p/1725297
"Dear Marketplace Merchant,
You are receiving this email because you have at least one listing on the Second Life Marketplace that still uses an outdated delivery process, known as Magic Boxes."
If you have already migrated why would you want spam from Linden Lab talking about migrating?
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While "money laundering" was originaly coined as a term to describe the process by which illegally gotten funds were hidden in such a way as to appear to have been legally gained, the term has come more to mean the converting of funds in such a way as to hide where they originated from, wether legally gotten or not.
Since there are plenty of exchanges that will convert Bitcoin to USD, using Second Life to convert Bitcoin to Lindens then Lindens to USD can be considered mondey laundering.
Linden Dollars are not a legal/real currency. There are an ingame token used for the buying and selling of virtual content. You can buy these tokens with US Dollars, and can also sell those tokens to others for US Dollars, but in and of themselves they are completely worthless outside of Second Life.