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I am trying to understand this idea.
Linden would set up the system so that anonymous users, like myself, could spam merchants with thousands of emails about their items with impunity?
So I could create an unlinked alt, and harass sellers until Linden got around to banning my alt account? And then I could just another unlinked alt to do the same thing over and over again?
Or I could get the 500 people in my group to harass a competitor by all sending them 1 email per item flooding their email account with junk emails coming from Linden Lab, effectively getting the Linden email address spam blocked so that no one will ever get another email from them again?
Rock on!
I think this is a fantastic way to grief competitors without having to flag the items and hope someone from Linden will do it for me.
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There already IS a category for those types of items. It is called "Used Items".
Used Items are those items that you got, that you didn't create, that you don't want. Just like used items in real life. Even if the item is "new, in the box" it is still considered a used item.
The gatcha items have completely junked up the marketplace. So many people are trying to get rid of the exact same items, that any single one item has 50 or more listings, many times from the same seller. (which is against the rules, too!) and usually in the wrong category.
It is like going to walmart and finding that a bunch of homeless flea market sellers have set up shop in the store. There are buildings in the misc. categories, there are neckalces in the clothing areas, there are shoes in the avatars areas. Half the stuff isn't set to adult when it should be. So if I try to find something to buy while I am at work, I run the risk of having boobs, or worse, show up on my computer screen.
Lots of the items have keyword spam in them, which is completely screweing up any type of searching for stuff anymore. Search was bad enough before with the regular sellers junking it up with bogus keywords, now the place is flooded with these gacha items that are making everyting 1000 time worst.
Yeah, no. They do not need their own place, they can use the one that is already there for stuff like that. USED ITEMS!
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1. How are you sorting the pages? If you are looking that the newest items first, then yes, your items will get pushed further and further back as newer items are listed.
2. Did you have enhancements that expired and your item is no longer showing in the bonus area?
3. Are your items in the correct category?
4. Are the keywords optimized for your listing? Do not use junk keywords. If you are selling a skin, do not put 'shape' in the keywords, etc.
5. Do you use the related items section to link to other products? If you sell clothes or make up for the skin, you should make sure you link to those as well.
We really have no way of knowing why your sales dropped, but you can try the above to see if you can boost them back up.
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Ladanya wrote:My intent does matter. & I'm sure you wouldn't say that your intent never matters with anything. People use and sell things based on RL celebs in the SL marketplace all the time. Once again, even if I had the permission to redistribute a Celeb's likeness in SL, how could I prove that anyway? What is so hard for you to understand what I am saying? My main point is that some of my items have been removed from my SL marketplace for even reasons that don't make sense period! I didn't write on this forum to argue or debate with anyone. Nor do I want to waste further time on it. There is no point or sense to keep dragging on a topic especially if I know for sure that I am not going to agree with you and you are not going to agree with me. & you can't say that someone's intent doesn't matter, especially if you don't even know them. People make mistakes. Let's even take this out of the context of SL and use RL. For instance, if someone breaks the law (especially if it is a petty crime/violation like not seeing a "stop" sign or a red traffic light and their car keeps moving past it without stopping) and it wasn't his/her intent to violate the rules, would you punish them and/or label them a "criminal"?? Yeah, I think not.
Your intention doesn't matter.
If you run a stop sign, you would still get a ticket for it if a police officer sees you do it.
Hell, with Red Light Cameras all over the place, you could get a ticket even if police officer doesn't see you do it. You would get the ticket mailed to you.
There are guideliens and policies all over the place. You have to agree to them before you created the account. You had to agree to them before you created your store.
Claiming ignorance because you didn't bother to read those rules, or you do not understand them, doesn't matter. You still broke the rules, and you got caught.
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Ladanya wrote:
Hi. I just received a notice that an item (A framed memoriam pic of Robin Williams) I listed on my sl marketplace was removed due to intellectual property guidelines. I read the guidelines and it still does not make sense to me why my item was removed.
You cannot use an image for which you do not personally own the rights to. Taking an image from the web and using it in one of your items is against the law.
First of all, I never claimed to own rights or that I created the pic of Robin Williams.
It doesn't matter if you do not claim to own the rights to the image. Even if you did try to claim that you owned the rights to the image it would not matter. You do not. Therefore you cannot use the image. Plain and simple.
Second, I find it to be highly unfair for my product to be removed b/c there are many listings on the SL marketplace (from merchants other than myself) who have items based on RL celebrities all the time, even with photos of the late and great Robin Williams.
You just got caught. They haven't. It doesn't mean that what they are doing is legal.
I didn't infringe on anyone or anything, I was just paying tribute to a great talented guy.
You did infringe. You do not own the rights to the image, so you cannot use it. Using the image without permission of either the photographer or the deceaseds estate IS infringing
And if I was infringing by doing that, then Linden Labs should remove everybody else's listings that involve celebrities as well. Also I am sick and tired of my sl marketplace store being unnecessarily flagged and having my items removed that are no different than everybody else's whose stores don't get targetted!:matte-motes-angry:
Then report them to the rights owners. Linden Lab does not own, and does not control, Copyrighted content that belongs to other people.
Under the law, it is not Linden Lab's responsibility to ensure that people comply with the law. In fact, under the law, it is expressley set down that the rights owner is the only one who can lay claim and report violations.
In the end, it makes no difference. You violated US Federal Law and got caught. Your item was removed from the site.
You only have yourself to blame for what happened.
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LillyBeth Filth wrote:I got one red flagged yesterday for "The item has been blocked due to Spam or Disallowed Listing Practices" it was a Medieval Ceiling Tile Material Set (Diffuse Specular Normal Maps)I have no idea what was wrong with the listing in all honesty. I can't even find the listing to relist it again and I can't be bothered trying to work out what piece of text was considered "Spam" so I just left it alone.I always assume its competitors doing this thing. I wouldn't imagine a customer would be bothered to flag it.. but a competitor would for sure.
Relisting it would also get you into trouble if the item was blocked. Just look at the email that was sent to you and it will give you the information about the item. If you cannot figure it out, send in a support case.
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Sassy Romano wrote:It's not a very expansive list though.For example, a fraudulent item that's a box under the guise of a different product. The only flag reason there is "incorrect listing image" which really doesn't go any way towards the severity of the reason for flagging and to anyone looking would see that potentially as a minor issue.Anyway, nothing will happen about it so nothing more to say.
Just like with the copyright stuff though. if it isn't an option, then using that tool is the wrong way to report the problem.
Kinda like calling 911 when McDonalds didn't give you your french fries. Only unlike someone dumb enough to call 911 for a reason like not getting their fries still gets through, and ends up on youtube or another internet site, being made fun of, linden just flat out will not let you report issues that must be handled through different channels.
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Hanna Redrose wrote:Try reading before you reply ... you have no idea what you are talking about!!
https://marketplace.secondlife.com/listing_guidelines?
"Be sure to follow these guidelines, the Second Life Terms of Service, and the Second Life Community Guidelines when listing items on the Marketplace. If your listings do not adhere to these guidelines or any Linden Lab policy, we may remove them, in our discretion, and no refunds will be issued for any removed listings. If you violate these guidelines or any Linden Lab policy, your SL Marketplace privileges may be revoked and your account(s) terminated."
"Listings in the wrong or inappropriate Top Level categories may be disabled or removed to avoid confusion."
As for your question about copyright, those are legal issues, not tos issues. Again, you really should educate yourself better.
"Linden Lab will respond appropriately to notices of alleged copyright infringement that comply with the U.S. Digital Millennium Copyright Act (“DMCA”)"
"If you own a copyright in a work (or represent such a copyright owner) and believe that your (or such owner’s) copyright in that work has been infringed by an improper posting or distribution of it via the Website, then you may send us a written notice"
If you do not own the rights, or you do not legally represent the person//entity that owns the rights, Linden Lab can do nothing with regards to your claiming that the sale of an item violates someone elses copyrights.
DMCA is US Federal Law. It isn't just something people at Linden pulled out of their butts and is using to annoy people. It is the Law, at the highest level, in the United States.
If you do not like that someone with a fake name, in a fake world, with no information, or even fake information, on their account and go around claiming people are breaking the law and have Linden Lab remove the items or ban the seller, then you should complain to the federal senators and representatives and demand that they change the law.
And if you honestly believe that people in a fake world, with fake names, and no real life information, or possibly fake information should have any control over what you sell then you are whack in the head.
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so you chose to use a name with the word **bleep** in it and you are wondering why your account is on hold? that is pretty funny.
time for you to go read the rules
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Hanna Redrose wrote:Just a message regarding "FLAGGED ITEMS"Those in charge of checking marketplace items you might want to check if the person who flagged the item as "Not as Advertised"ACTUALLYpurchased the item before removing it from the merchants MP Store. How the hell can they know its not as advertised when they havent bought it... this just allows pathetic bullies in SL to continue.I am surprised how fast that gets taken care of ...yet all the copyright material, stolen material and fake material are able to remain on the MP.... not to mention those inworld who contantly bully other designers because they have nothing better to do with their time them try and destroy their business due to complete and utter jealously.How come a flagged "NOT AS ADVERTISED" gets taken care of so fast... yet a report inword regarding copyright, bullying and slander get zero response???
Way to pay attention. first of all, go look at the options. not as avertised includes wrong category. As noted by your other post, you seem to be under the impression that the only reason why your item might have been unlisted is because of the permissions.
If you are not getting the emails, you should, that way you can see what item and why it was removed.
Looking at your listings, the newest one you have is a quilt? but for some unknown reason you put it into the buildings area. um.. why? do you really think a quilt is a building? seriously?
how clueless to you have to be to put a blanket in the same area with gas stations?
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Pamela Galli wrote:I thought, oh, good maybe they are working on something, so I did as you suggest. Most of them were closed, but there were some about the recent decision to just make ALL listings Adult. However, there was 5806 from April, so I opened that. LOL.My point stands.
And your point is invalid. If the marketplace was abadonded then no fixes would have been made. Just because suggestions that people have made are not being implemented doesn't mean stuff isn't getting done. Until you have official words from someone at linden that the marketplace has been abandoned or is no longer being maintained, please just shut up.
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you can set the enhancements to active which will automatically renew, which I think is the default. so if you do not change it to dont renew, then it will renew.
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geez.. 4 million or more accounts all with information that goes back years? yeah, that would hog up a lot of space. keep your receipts people. common sense
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Morgan Kincess wrote:indeed it does. I just had to click 350 times to fix my marketplace...Oh and before I contacted the live chat help but of course they had no clue and made a ticket on my behalf. I'll keep you posted if they ever reply
From comments and contact support has no clue why your listing might be changed unless you use the obvious words. they do not have a copy of the filter lilst so they cannot help you. if you find out what is causing it you should file a bug report
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So how many of you have filed a bug report for the words, or notified customer support?
Or are you just complaining on the forums and letting everyone suffer when you have found the issue but are refusing to tell them so that it can be fixed?
As for "azz" since that is a masking of the other word, you deserve to have your listing changed because you are trying to avoid and bypass the rules and it serves you right.
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EonCross wrote:Ok I know, it was a wrong decision in the first place to include an adult word in a famous product's name, but nevertheless it still is a product of general maturity, or it should be... I can't imagine that noone thought of the mess this maturity change would cause, so I am thinking...maybe that was intended? Especially after the DMCA filed against Phat Azz?
Considering "azz" is a mask for the other word I am surprised that it isn't considered Adult and not just Mature. Since profanity should be adult under the guidelines.
If you got away with it this long you should be feeling lucky instead of upset. After all you were participating in trying to beat the system and avoid the adult rating by masking profanity in the first place.
Personally, I think you should consider yourself lucky that the only thing that happened was a ratings change and that your item wasnt outrigth removed for the violation.
Next time dont try to beat the system by playing with wording to try to get around the rules. Follow the rules like everyone else and you wont have these issues.
I have zero sympathy for you. You got less than you deserved for packing your listing with adult words. If your item really is G rated, then you are a bonehead for sticking stuff in the listing that doesn't belong.
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Tari Landar wrote:kerching wrote:Hey guys,Like the title says, just a really quick question about using the seller tools in Marketplace.I have over 100 items that are unlisted in my store, but I want to delete them (not just leave unlisted). However, I can only seem to do this one by one.Is it possible to mass delete, like you can mass unlist?Thanks for any help in advance
Nope, have to do them individually. It sucks, but no matter how many times we've asked, they still haven't changed this.Yeah, they wont. Something about deleting and relisting is not allowed, so they make us jump through hoops and get annoyed as hell to get their point accross.
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Yeah, there has been a lot in the news lately about a heck of a lot of companies having account passwords hacked.
http://time.com/3086191/russian-hack/
According to the story, something like 1.2 billion accounts were compromised!!!
Maybe LL is just taking precautions.
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File a support ticket. They should be able to help you.
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This is the Magic Box.. it will be so nice when the damn things are gone.
Back on the old xstreet site there were instructions for how to list items like that all in the same listing. Ask support for the instructions.
If they cannot give them to you, ask for your case to be escalated to Dakota. She has been around long enough that she should be able to help you.
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Jez Ember wrote:I would love to know why LL restore habitual content thieves accounts and their MP listings within a few months of DMCA take downs? I can't understand how the DMCA can be interpreted to be a temporary request. I also can't understand how LL can have such little regard for creators that, having been given the asset IDs of exploited prims used for content theft, they do not erase the assets and permanently suspend the accounts that own them. How can a bug from five years ago be allowed to continue profiting content thieves today?I'm happy to name names to anyone who asks (I'm aware of 16 alts of the same content thief) although many creators will already know exactly who and what I'm talking about. I'm only not posting links here to eliminate any excuse to kill the post.Might this be taken more seriously if I get a lawyer involved with my next DMCA takedown and subsequent non-compliance? Has anyone tried that already?JezEmber Games
DMCA isn't temporary.
You file a claim
The item is removed/deleted
If the person you filed a claim against files a counter claim, the item is restored and you are notified.
You then have the choice to ignore the counter claim by doing nothing, or sue the person for copyright infringement.
Each DMCA notice is by account by item. So if you have 1 person selling 10 items, you have to list all 10 items in the same notice.
If the person sells the same item again, then you can file another notice for the repeat infringement of the same item, by the same seller, at this point, LL can either just remove the item, or they may suspend/ban the person. It will all depend on what LL's policies are regarding repeat offenders.
If the person creates a new account, then sells the items, it is considered a new offence if they sell the same item again, since it is a new/different account.
Basically you will need to file for each new account that is selling your items.
One of the major problems is that the high courts have not yet received a case regarding multiple accounts owned/run by the same person, and dealing with digital content.
So there is no onus on any company, LL, Google, Yahoo, etc., to do more to track who may or may not be running "alt" accounts.
Sure, all of the offending accounts may be the same person behind the screen, but as someone else said, changing an IP address, changing a MAC address, using any number of stolen CC numbers can make linking the accounts with enough proof difficult.
Unfortunately, you will just have to continue to file for each new account that crops up. Although if you do have the money, getting an attorney involved might be worth it so that you try to find out who is behind all of the accounts, and if they are the same person, you might consider taking them to court and suing them.
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Perrie Juran wrote:ObviousAltIsObvious wrote:this is fantasy. LL does not pay for enough resources to ensure that a few hundred destination guide entries remain valid. forget tens of thousands of inworld stores.
But Linden Lab does know who pays Tier for land and could conceivably cross reference that.You can pretty much stop right there. While Linden Lab may be able to pull information on who pays tier, as you stated, there is no way to know what the usage is on the land.
Not to mention that there is ZERO way for them to know who is paying for a store on private land, not mainland.
This is an idea that would never fly, even if they actually ever considered it.
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MizzKittenzz wrote:To Wooja and the other dude; you don't have to "flame" me or reply rudely... The law don't apply to the web in this area. There is nothing unethical about getting and trading currency you've earned, ever heard of forex?Thanks to the other replies that were sincere, also may I add this though that btc is also worthless in and of themselves its simply a token representing a mathmatical problem solved by a computer.
Bitcoins have value because brick and mortar companies will accept them as currency for trade for product. Just like any hard currency, like printed money or stamped coins.
This makes Bitcoin a "real" currency.
Since no company places value on the Second Like Tokens (Linden Dollars) they are not a "real" currency. Just as the "gold" you use to buy and sell items inside World of Warcraft is not "real" gold and has no value outside of the World of Warcraft universe.
And the law does still apply to everything covered in Second Life. If it didn't, then users wouldn't have to include the income they make through SL on their yearly taxes and LL wouldn't be asking for tax forms that need to be filed. And DMCA would't apply.
If you withdraw enough USD from Second Life you WILL have to report the funds on your taxes.
http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Commerce/Required-Tax-Documentation/ba-p/2336109
So yes, the law does apply.
While there is nothing unethical about trading currency, Linden Dollars are not a real currency. They are an in world token. If you wish to engage in Currency Trading, your best bet is to stick to real currency exchanges, like Forex.
Although even those are subject to legal action.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3540930/ns/business-corporate_scandals/t/dozens-forex-traders-arrested/
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Check the name of the image file.
Do not use anything in the name other than letters and numbers.
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Merchants- Can you handle less than 5 stars?
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Stars go from 1 - 5. 4 is in no way a negative review. Even 3 isn't a negative review. 1 and 2, yes, but not 4.
If you think of the Stars using the following guide, you will see that a 3 is actually a good rating:
1 = Poor
2 = Fair
3 = Good
4 = Very Good
5 = Excellent
Personally, I am always suspect of any product that has a soild 5 star rating if there are more than 10 reviews on the listing. At that point, I pretty much chalk all of the reviews up to being from the sellers existing friends and fan base and I will usually avoid buying that item.
3 stars and above has never stopped me from buying an item. I may look more closely at the reviews to see what other users experiences are, and unless there is something that appears to be glaringly wrong with the item, I will still buy it if it is something that I am looking for or that I want.
I am far more inclined to buy an item with 4 stars over one with 5 stars.
I am also far more inclined to buy a lower rated item based on the sellers reply comments to the reviews that are less than 5 stars.
If the only thing seller does is complain about the buyer or the buyers review, I will never purchase one of their products, ever, even if the buyer was completely and totally in the wrong on their review.