Becky Nosferatu

I understood it just fine, honestly. They broke the TOS for the name of it. Which is probably going to happen with this one.

I'm a creator, yes, I know there's plenty that have no clue how to do things. That really isn't their fault, though as there's no real "standard" that the community shares, they have to learn the hard way. Especially when it comes to meshing, there are countless creators who have no clue how to model correctly, and create something that doesn't lag their customers. I could go on tangents on how fellow creators just don't know 'some things' that should be common among us. But that's why I don't like the idea of some random person giving creators hell for something that they might not understand, like the whole 'customer is always right.'

All of this. Completely, and I really think that myself. Someone mentioned the "no Demo" thing being a problem, and that was one that set off red-flags for me, too. Not EVERYTHING needs a demo. Clothing, mesh attachments, sure. Sometimes skins too, to make sure certain things are in the 'right place.' But textures? Scripts? Sounds?? How do demo those? This is clearly just going to be someone who is going to use it as an excuse to hate on creators who don't fit into their standards, which THEIR STANDARDS, are clearly not "SL standards." Because standards on SL doesn't exist. People do what they want to do, that's what makes SL so great for creators.

I don't remember at this point, but I believe it was outside. Could have been either or, though, at the time I was security for a sim. Like I said though, this was over a decade ago.

And that makes me question, cause I got it over logs being shared, the other had something like "your account was suspended due to harmful activity" or something to that effect. So now that I know it's not against the ToS, I wonder why I got it.

I was never suspended, it was a warning, for sharing logs. The only time I was 'ever' suspended was someone hijacked my account while I was on hiatus. And I never even knew it was hijacked until months later.

Okay so I'm using the term wrong, thank you for clarifying. As for why I think it's a bad idea is it's not, for one, apart of Linden Labs, and 2 the single use of "Blasting them. Period" comment. They have no real means to force the merchant's hand other than harassing them and "slandering" their name. The point of a BBB is to report being screwed over by a business and then the BBB actually having the power to do something about it. These people and/or person lacks any sort of power due to them NOT being associated with LLs.

I'd like to as well. Because they're treading a fine line, here. I do hope that I'm just worried for nothing, I would prefer to be wrong in these situations, but there's just to many things that point to otherwise. EDIT: whoops, sorry didn't realize this would double post. I don't use these forums very often.

Ah hah, so it is different now, thank you for clarifying that. I was under the impression it was still just "you can't share logs period!" as it was over 7ish years ago. I always did find that silly, how were they going to enforce that? So thank you for that. That said, there are plenty of people who share logs IN SL, as well, which breaks the TOS. This person could get themselves and the 'customer' they're trying to help in trouble for that, if they aren't privy to that. More over, I just would like folks to be aware this is something that some unknown person is trying to start, and it doesn't look like they're in it for any other reason than to be the White Knight. The wording they use is very akin to that of an SJW or other crazy Internet "Warrior," and it will only end poorly for all sides.

You can get warnings from LLs via Emails. That's how they usually handle the 'minor' offenses, like sharing logs. As for sharing outside, that must be something that ended up getting changed, cause this was over a decade ago I got that warning. I wish I could see good intentions, but having dealt with "White Knights" in the past, I already see this as someone using it as an excuse to harass people. If none of this violates the TOS now, harassing creators will be. Because there's multiple reasons why a creator simply wouldn't talk to a customer, via their own volition (which they have a right to,) or various issues involving technology (Capped IMs, for example,) and I just simply don't think this is something SL needs and wish to bring awareness of how bad this could go. This person, (it seems to be one person,) could easily be biased with very little info or do nothing but make the situation worse. And even if they are doing it for the betterment of customers in SL, how exactly are they going to handle a creator who just simply mutes them? What are they going to do? Spread 'awareness' by slandering the creator's name? Which, again, is ALSO against the TOS? (Slandering, I mean,) so... it's not going to do anything but cause issues.

You mean logs would have to be like in a notecard? Cause I've gotten warnings in the past for sharing them outside of SL. Which is why I don't share logs anymore. That's my issue with this. Nothing good will come of this, it will be only for harassment purposes. Creators have a hard enough time with people who refuse to read the instructions and get crap in IMs for this stuff, let alone someone taking a complaint into their own hands and "Blasting them" for it.

How would you provide proof of failure to them? You would have to provide logs or screenshots of conversation- Which is against the TOS. My problem is this person was seen in this screenshot, which was linked in a the Kinzart Community discord server with the link (I forgot it on the first post, sorry); My problem is they will do nothing but harass creators, as shown here. "I'm blasting them." That is "I'm going to white knight them!" Which goes against the TOS, as that is harassment.

If this caught your attention, it should. https://www.instagram.com/slbb.sl/ These folks, are attempting to not only break the TOS, but also harass creators on Second Life that don't hold up to their standards, as evident with the pictures involved. I want to point these guys out because at NO POINT, is this even legal or something that should be used. I don't know how else to report them, as they don't actually have a name attached, but they operate out of this website: https://linktr.ee/secondlifebetterbusiness/

so this will take some explaining. Many people know of the Dawn Kingdom's creator, Wanders Nowhere, had, a few years ago, released a dragon avatar. This dragon is a full sized, massively interactive beast that has practically a cult following... However... There are certain group of people who, as of the time I post this, have moved from one creator to another, sending death threats and other forms of harassment over creators of Dragon avatars. While I am NOT the creator of any of these avatars, I have beta tested for a few of the avatar makers and worked closely with them on their projects. What I'm after is no easy feat, for sure, but I have names and I want to know what can be done about this. These people have driven off several creators already, and it's getting so bad that creators are starting to question their own sanity, (the one specifically, I will not name, but it took me and five others to beg him not to leave SL, let alone off himself.) None of these creators were even in the mindset I should AR these people, but now that it's come to light, how do we deal with it? I'd imagine there's not a lot that can be done outside the creator ARing them, but any kind of advice for these awesome creators would be helpful. The targeted creators have been Wanders Nowhere of Dawn Kingdoms, https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/31607 Dreamcrawler of Dreamcrawler Creations, https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/2339 Tethis String of I, Monster, https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/36764 rancorwilds of Dragons Arise https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/223841 with Tornleaf of Red Remora being one of the unfortunate to have been bullied off of SL: https://marketplace.secondlife.com/stores/170063 I'm sorry if this seems like I'm wanting to cause issues. But I'm trying to help these creators who are at their wits end. Ignoring these terrible people are just not working and instead they're coming back with death threats when they are ignored on alts. Apparently this started with horse creators first, over dragons. I'm not apart of that community or I'd drop store creators.

I've been following this for some time, as well. I own Magican Productions. The fact that "furry" must be separated from SL standards and only get one to two categories is frankly rude as hell, imho, because you have like... 5 fantasy categories? But I digress, this is a new situation. We've been seeing flags (And by We, I mean VesperBloodwing and I, as we both work on the same creator team) for things that just keep coming through. There is NOTHING that seems to make either party happy and it's very detrimental to our businesses and extremely discouraging as a content creator. We want this stopped. This is blatant harassment and since we have no idea who is doing it, we can't just report the person directly for it. This must be looked at by the Lindens themselves.