Abram Violet

There doesn't seem to be a fix for this one yet. It is something to do with rigged mesh items being worn when trying to edit any type of object whether it is mesh, sculpt, etc.. Here is a jira link where people are talking about it and it doesn't seem to be resolved yet. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-28329

GothGirl Demonia wrote: http://null-byte.wonderhowto.com/blog/remove-your-online-identity-ultimate-guide-anonymity-and-security-internet-0131741/ For all of those asking questions like. Why am I getting griefed. Why are my friends being stalked. Why are they finding me. How are they finding me. Here is the perfect guide to remain Anonymous Minus not creating picks at a public hub instead of places you visit, and using pictures others uploaded in your profiles. I hang out at hubs all the time. (almost daily) In my 5 years of being on SL I have never had my account griefed/hacked. Most people that get hacked either give out their password, make it too easy to guess, or make their security question too easy. If someone is harrassing you, mute would be your best bet...would kind of end the whole thing

Perrie Juran wrote: Abram Violet wrote: Don't worry about it. I found out the methods and programs they use and got in contact with the Lindens. Message from Soft Linden: Thank you for the heads up, Abram. We're talking to our voice vendor about this. It's expected that peer-to-peer voice reveals an IP address when two people engage in a direct call. That's inherent in the way most voice services work, including Skype, Google Talk and similar. But we want to ensure the IP is not provided without both parties agreeing to be in the call. ------------------------------------------------------- They are working on it! :matte-motes-big-grin: Excellent! What I am guessing is that when someone calls you it pings your computer and your computer is sending back a response regardless of whether or not you accept the call. Someone with more expertise than me could probably confirm if this is the case. Your computer should only ping back if and when you accept the call. It does it even if they don't send you voice calls too. They are able to retrieve even if you decline the calls as well.

GothGirl Demonia wrote: Either that or they don't know how to proxy correctly :3. www.hidemyass.com Download it set it up properly, but do know that if another griefer uses the same IP address as you, you can easily get flagged as being their alt and banned from SL. VPN/Proxies, and often stick my connection through more than one server so tracking isn't so easy . Voice System Error? No its called Voice Over Internet Provider, it is a seperate program provided by Vivox, and any company I hate to say it but stupid enough to give out information when you give your IP address and tell them you forgot your password or can't login and if they can reset it for you is stupid no offense. I suggest if you are having these problems you do the following. 1. Remain Anonymous. 2. Dont PayPal others users they can get your name easily. 3. Don't use the same password across other services. 4. Don't use your SL name on facebook let alone provide any information to these companies Trolls will google you. 5. For the love of god don't use city of birth for your Secret Question, Mothers Birthdate etc. 6. User a serious password P@$$W0rDæ¿• for example. 7. Use a serious secret question and stress you will not forget it don't give out info to anyone trying to get your info. aka not a single answer More than one, don't use popular movies, Anime Characters ETC. 8. All Viewers that come from any Third Party can have a keylogger. 9. There are many Java Script/Cook Exploits so disable all this when you are not using it. 10. Disable Media. 11. Learn that your computer will get a Keylogger, or a Trojan at some point there is often no way to prevent this especially those running java they had a major security issue back aways with Google AD's being used to Phish information, but I detected it right when it happend no harm done in fact if the hacker got anything he got me giving him the birdy as my user name before I disconnected my internets. Like seriously a lot of security compromises are the users fault but I have seen some at the fault of a company too. Don't worry about it. I found out the methods and programs they use and got in contact with the Lindens. Message from Soft Linden: Thank you for the heads up, Abram. We're talking to our voice vendor about this. It's expected that peer-to-peer voice reveals an IP address when two people engage in a direct call. That's inherent in the way most voice services work, including Skype, Google Talk and similar. But we want to ensure the IP is not provided without both parties agreeing to be in the call. ------------------------------------------------------- They are working on it! :matte-motes-big-grin:

As I type this, I have a friend who knows some people who have links to the programs they use to do this! I'm working on getting the program link, and posting it here. Hopefully with that, they will be able to see what exactly they are doing to the voice server and be able to block this stuff. I know someone looking at my IP isn't that big of a deal, it's just creepy whenever complete strangers IM you saying your city, ISP, and that they are going to kill you in real life. (then I report it and nothing is ever done about it) The police told me that I can't file a complaint either unless I had the person's real name, so unless they fix this...who knows what could happen to someone one of these days.

Melita Magic wrote: Not only voice but any channel that communicates to the outside. And social engineering, too. Voice, music, video, web streaming. Also if you go to someone's you tube channel or blog or website and they know when, they can get your IP from that. That kind of figures into social engineering. You get an IM saying hey look at this...you do...and now they know where you live. It sucks, but, just be careful. For what it is worth, I do not track anything. I really do not care where anybody lives, or anything else from their real lives. With one exception, I will console them (try to) if they are upset. So any streams on my land are never looked at by me. Well, I couldn't even if I wanted to. Or if I could I don't know and don't care. I use radios built by other people and a movie stream from a free website. I don't have access to those IPs. So for what it's worth if ever on my land, don't worry about any of that.* I'm a big believer in boundaries. Even if not everyone else extends me the same courtesy, but I can't control that. The infamous tracker is gone but there might be other ones out there, but even if not, if the person owns the stream they can see your IP. Or if they are wearing some device that can track IP. Or you go to their site, blog, or youtube channel. * ETA Don't worry about any of that from me. If someone else visits that sim and is wearing some sort of tracker, it can use my open streams just like it could use any open stream in Second Life, but I think that possibility is rare. I'm not talking about youtube or blogs. People shouldn't be able to get your IP address just because you are connected to the voice channel. LL needs to look into patching it so that no one but them is able to see your IP by those means. My ISP said that anyone who owns a game or platform is not allowed to allow others to obtain your IP address. There are ways LL could stop this 'glitch' if they took the time out to look at it. They are using some type of program to obtain your IP any time you are on the voice channel regardless of if you are speaking, just have it on, or are in a private call. Hopefully someone at LL will see this thread and fix this error and make SL just that much more safe. Clicking links and other things where you are connecting to a website is a chance you are taking...but simply connecting to the game and voice being enabled should not allow access from other residents.

JeanneAnne wrote: Abram Violet wrote: Hello, I have noticed that there is a glitch within the voice system that allows other residents to obtain your IP address through the voice system. I'm not sure of the means they use, but someone has told me that they use some kind of 3rd party program and get your IP through the voice system. They send you a voice call, and regardless of if you accept or decline it, they somehow get your IP address. I have had 3 different alts do this to me, then give me my own IP adress through IM/local chat. From there they can also lookup your city and other things. The only way to be safe from this 'glitch' is to keep your voice disabled. Anyone know of any way this could get fixed or ways to stop them from doing it other then completely disabling your voice? Thanks, Abe It's well known that your IP can be ripped thru media channels. There's been an entire huge scandal over this. Discussion of it on this forum gets censored & can get you banned. Apparently, LL doesn't want newbies to know that their RL identity isn't necessarily anonymous in SL. Jeanne #1.) I'm referring to your IP being accessed through the voice channel, not the medial channels. #2.) They access this information not by being in a private call. They access it any time you are connected to the voice server. #3.) Let them ban me because this is what I was told to do by a live support member. I am not here for anyone's opinions or comments besides someone who is part of Linden Labs. I'm not here for people to make some kind of discussion of this say 'this is rumors' or any other off topic comments just to get a word in edge wise. #4.) I'm not a newbie. I been on SL since 2006. I only have this posted to be answered by Linden's like I was told to by an employee. You all can have fun talking about something you have no idea about. I'll wait for a Linden now as this is not an issue that can be answered by your average users as it would require action on their end to fix this error. Oh, and I am already in the process of starting a pepition against Linden Labs to make them fix this error. If something would happen to someone because they could access personal information threw their service, you could have a potential lawsuit. My ISP informed me that was true with platforms such as Second Life. HOPEFULLY A LINDEN LOOKS AT THIS AND CAN SHOW ME A REAL ANSWER INSTEAD OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ON THE ISSUE, OR JUST WANNA LEAVE RUDE COMMENTS AND TELL ME I WILL BE BANNED IF I ASK A QUESTION. IF THAT IS THE CASE HERE, THEN I WILL GLADLY NEVER RETURN TO THIS FORUM AND JUST FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE BBB. :matte-motes-wink-tongue:

I did AR it. I have ARed it countless times over the past few months. Also, they can sometimes obtain it without sending a voice call. This is why I think this should be fixed. My ISP said that they should not be allowed ot have such a glitch in their system and games/platforms like this are supposed to fix those errors when presents. I don't know, maybe the Lindens will see this post and be able to find out what is the issue, patch it and no worries in my SL again. Abe

Tried that already They can bypass the proxy and still see the IP. They have been doing this for months. They have even been callin in to linden labs and using information they obtained from this and guessing some users security questions.

I do have a static IP and I have also known of the media one for a while now as well and I never stream media unless it is from someone who I trust. I'm just saying that it's really annoying whenever you are just chatting with people and people get your IP address because of it. I called my ISP and notified them to keep an eye on the account as someone mentioned in an IM that they were contacting my ISP and going to try and mess around. (they also knew which internet provider I have because you can look that up with someone IP address) I just think this sounds like something that would be simple to fix and/or put in an option to be able to automaticlly decline voice calls. Sometimes they have done it without even sending a voice call. I spoke to a live agent about this matter and they told me this would be the best place to post my issue, as it is monitered and reviewed by lindens whatever department would handle this issue. There have been a lot of users being greifed with things like this and crashing servers for hours, and little to none has been done about it. So hopefully, just hopefully someone will see this post and do something about everyone just stealing IP's throuhg voice, and taking entire regions down for hours. I even report these things almost daily and this began well over 4 months ago. Thanks, Abe

Hello, I have noticed that there is a glitch within the voice system that allows other residents to obtain your IP address through the voice system. I'm not sure of the means they use, but someone has told me that they use some kind of 3rd party program and get your IP through the voice system. They send you a voice call, and regardless of if you accept or decline it, they somehow get your IP address. I have had 3 different alts do this to me, then give me my own IP adress through IM/local chat. From there they can also lookup your city and other things. The only way to be safe from this 'glitch' is to keep your voice disabled. Anyone know of any way this could get fixed or ways to stop them from doing it other then completely disabling your voice? Thanks, Abe