Lina Pussycat

This actually isn't true in the least that no one has managed to make a single client. While there was not stuff that went with the main grid there was things developed for stuff based off of OpenSim. RealXtend's early days come to mind where they build a client off of Ogre3D. It turned into other stuff eventually, but the early stuff was basically SL built on a diff 3d engine that also allowed for mesh import (this was way before mesh was possible in SL)

For second life to gain ray tracing it would need to start switching its graphics api around entirely and it'd need to jump to vulkan or directX 12 to be able to do either of them. OpenGL does not and will never support real time ray tracing as the computing power required to do it requires a closer to metal API approach (lower level api like DirectX 12 and Vulkan).

Also to be clear knowing about something that is going to happen vs a sporadic problem that has been happening intermittently since last weekend are not nearly the same thing.Being locked out for hours on end for unknown reasons and having no updates on anything. I guarantee you they knew about the problem and could of had someone take the 3 minutes required back when I made the initial post.

The question becomes if it remains stable.

You won't given I just got logged back out after being on.

I've been around since 05 myself. The fact they aren't updating what is going on on the status page at this point though and you have to dig for info is questionable.

Seems to be intermittent through the day at that. I got back on logged back off can't get back in. Still no update on their end that anything is happening either.

Ultimately they need to update people on what is happening much much sooner and get these things under control. It shouldn't be multiple times in 1 week time frame this happens.

Can't even put in a support ticket as the support site isn't responding at all.

Yeah not really sure what the hell has been going on lately with stuff. It shouldn't be repeatedly taking people offline unable to get back in.

Randomly got logged off SL can't log back in at all on any accounts. Other people in house are in world just fine.

Well that is what I was asking. If they only set the land to group and didn't deed it the person will have no real authority to do anything there.

You are aware that SL tends to have less people spending around the holidays than normal months yeah? Because typically speaking people tend to spend money on real life gifts and the like. SL also has the problem of you know not accepting gift cards so people can't readily use them. There are some big stores that are established now that don't rely AS MUCH (and pay attention to the AS MUCH) as other means because they are already established so they don't need to. There are also up and coming stores that have good products that don't have the bloggers, money for classifieds, or the like yet and don't have a name that people know on a large scale. While some stores may be big enough to get by on some basis they again are still losing traffic that ma not rely on the other sources as a means to find stores. You seem to think that because no one comes out and makes forums posts like you that nobody is doing anything about the issue at all or noticed it before you made a forum post. I noticed it as soon as I woke up and started to search for places. I even commented to Whirly about it diirectly in skype. I'd of made a Jira post myself about said issue and I'd of gotten others I know to do the same, but Whirly made one as I was talking to her about it and the like. Stores still rely on some traffic coming through search even when they do not need it as much. Much like the real world a store will still send out a weekly circular to your house even though you can pick it up there to let you know they exist and the like. Chinese places that are established in a town will still put flyers in the mail, people will still advertise at other places or in the paper or in valupak coupon things even though they "don't need to". It is how business works in reality. You use avenues you have to maximize your overall potential for people to come in and look around, eat at your establishment, or even to buy things with a special to get them in the door somehow even if you are established and have a solid customer base already you are always trying to reach new customers and that holds particularly true with SL where you want new customers frequently and many of those new customers are going to be relying on search as a means to find things when they first look around for places in SL to go and shop as they may not know the blogs yet etc.

New people looking that don't pay attention to the blogs etc still make up a good chunk of sales for any store. Many larger stores are pulling back from doing events too as it gets to be too tiring to do releases for events at all. Blueberry used to toss out releases for events, but has largely stopped outside of a once in awhile thing. The whole thing plays into sales and the like. You take all of it and put it together to be successful. The tools are there you use them and while search may not be as important to some stores (once they are established) it can be the diff between finding a new place or not and establishing a presence to begin with. Search matters more than you may think it does. It's not a matter of what you think prok and what you think has never been the actual reality of the situation in SL and never will be. There isn't some conspiracy, there isn't some grandiose people that LL keep their ear to etc. There is no fetid inner core, there is none of this nonsensical conspiracy you've been peddling for well over a decade now. It isn't controlled by the elites. You seem to forget that I have again been accused of being an elite or involved in some of your conspiracy bull *****. If it is so controlled by the elites where are all those people you've accused in the past at and why isn't SL steered in their direction? They are no longer here or relevant in any way shape or form because LL has always done what LL have wanted and it has nothing to do with being steered by some mysterious elite group of people. You can guarantee it all you want that SL is run by a few elites, but it is the ramblings of someone that has long since lost touch with reality on the subject and has lost touch for about 10+ years now. If people don't agree with you they are part of something or uneducated in your eyes. All those so called elites of yours in the past died off in SL because LL steered SL in a way that was different from what those elites were effectively good at and said people didn't want to keep up when sculpted prims came out, then again with mesh, then again with fitted mesh, then again with bento. SL has always been steered by LL in a way to attempt to bring in more and more content creators based on advancing skill sets not some super elites that control *****.

It is the only thing I can think of other than the land being set to group and not properly deeded.

Or maybe the few that responded in the group don't care. Many people use caspervend that doesn't mean they are good stores and why they trying to get a support group for a specific company to care? I use caspertech stuff and vendors as do most other people that have products of some sorts (even land) in SL... Casper is to busy to be running out and taking care of issues that have been reported and the individual vendors aren't going to want to run around trying to solve it themselves. They expect LL to fix it. Again almost no high end vendors are using classifieds anymore. Maybe *****ty shops that have subpar products that they hope to peddle off or people reselling products that they bought full righted and changed some textures on. Go look at the big stores that are actually big and have a lot of foot traffic and sales in any marketplace and you'll find the places that use classifieds aren't really doing as well as you seemingly think they are. Many stores do use classifieds on top of searches as it is a smart move on their part, but they are reliant on a whole and many are not reliant on the classifieds at all. Xplicit I know for a fact runs a classified, but doesn't get a lot of her traffic through that classified and instead talks to people she knows regularly, gets out there and mingles, and uses the search tools provided (i'm good friends with her and regularly test products for her). You seem to think that you are going to get people to get up and get on LL about this or that when most people are just like "Meh It'll get itself sorted out" or aren't technically inclined enough on the reporting tools in SL to really pester LL about it. It's not like back in the day when we could just talk to a linden in world about something and literally SHOW them a problem.

And my point is they aren't "large in my mind" they are large because they are large and have a high volume of sales with a good product line that is updated regularly enough to keep people coming back for a new item at least once or twice a month. Thinking a store isn't big just because they aren't memorable to you doesn't mean they are small. Shopping at big furniture or housing stores is diff than shopping at clothing stores and again almost every big furniture and housing store still uses search listings. Trompe Loeil, cheeky pea does, barnswurth anubis does etc. Almost all the top tier stores that have a regular base of customers use the search listing and while many "doin't need it" anymore because they have a high enough customer return rate who use their subscriber things for updates or their groups for invites. Again I shop at the same stores you probably do and I have always seen them show up with land parcel search. And I'm sure Blue does care and LL does care to a point. You need to stop with your fetid inner core ***** that you've been spewing for the last 12+ years now it doesn't exist. Nor does your little made up toxic 20 (we had jerseys made up back in the day just to mock you because of the way you acted you know that right?). Your whole ideology that LL only cares about top stores is severely flawed logic and it has been for a long long time now and you are still under this assumption that somehow SL is controlled by a few elites whom you have accused several people including myself in some fashion over the years. I don't have a linden's ear at all. I think you go off because back in the day you used to (if you were friendly and non hostile toward them) be able to get the help of a linden. I remember Linden's used to frequent my establishment back then on alts and even as themselves and would be helpful if asked and you could actually contact them in world. I was nothing special and someone just wandering around back then when I met Jack Linden and he'd help out because the linden's at the time were active in world regularly. It has little to do with LL only caring about big stores or the like and yes many stores do fine without being in search when they are big. The fact is they still rely on them for people on occasion finding them etc. Foot traffic and the like definitely slows down when search isn't up because again while people may know the store many rely on search to actually get to a location they know about. Having customers there doesn't necessarily mean that lack of search being there isn't affecting their traffic in some fashion or new people finding the place that don't look at fashion blogs.

I can definitely attest to that being the case. Unless you have the proper group role with that authority it will not show to you period.

Well Prok the reason you never heard of blueberry is you are largely living in the past and tend to use a male avatar and they make primarily fitted mesh female clothing. They are one of the largest stores in second life for several years now along with many of the stores that are affiliated with the region they are located in. You not hearing of them when you are not really a person that is really out there. The mesh clothing stores that sell stuff for mesh bodies are the large stores period. The other stores you may shop at you may think are large because you shop there, but that doesn't mean they are anywhere in near the same league or anywhere near the same sales volume or foot traffic etc. When I define a big store I am talking about a store that is large, one that puts out releases and has people clamoring to be there, places that can cap out a region on a new release of an item etc. Not just a place I shop, but a place that is doing well and has been for a long while now. Though as stated you'd realistically have to be living under a rock to not of heard of blueberry at this point, but lets not derail here entirely. This is again affecting almost everyone be they large or small. My place is fairly popular and people spend a lot of time there and it can usually be found pretty easily (keyword optimization for what community I serve) and isn't in search today when it was just the other day and no changes were made by me or any of my staff. Same with people that rent from me in an entirely different region. And it also seems to affect the entire region and every parcel inside the region. Search for your regions where ravenglass is by name and see if the regions even show up because both regions I have do not show up at all in search by name (they show up on the map, but not in search like is typical). So it is almost like the regions are disappearing entirely from search outside of legacy search and the map...

Okay I'm perplexed by this as it sounds like you have a sim itself and split off parcels? Is each parcel owned by that specific group? Is this a single parcel owned by a group or what? If different people own the parcels and it's a sim and your friend is a manager on the sim they can't see individually what the parcels are. If it is group owned land on a single parcel make sure that they have the owner tag on or at the very least the group active. Make sure they have refreshed the group and that you for sure saved them as being in that role. Also make sure the land is actually group owned as well and not just set to group. It actually needs to be directly deeded to the group or it will not work.

I'm not sure you've actually researched that one yourself recently Prok. All the big name stores are in search and show traffic. Blueberry is by far one of the largest stores in SL and is in search and doesn't rely on classifieds. The stores relying on classifieds are usually a crap shoot and aren't all that large by any means. I actively shop and go around to places in SL. What you are stating is something that occasionally happens, but it is seldom the stores you actually hear about or would actually give a ***** about that tend to use those tactics or rely only on them. I can't name a single store I've been to in the last 5 years that has employed that tactic, though I likely shop at far different places than you do. Maybe they did that crap in the past, but no recent big name store at all has done that. You know damn well I'm around long enough to know full well the tactics employed by places over the years. I've been in SL about 8 months less than you have and I also shop a lot.

To be fair many still rely on searches for some form of advertising too or as a means to find the place. Fashion blogs help, but they only tend to drive traffic momentarily when a new release tends to hit and a lot of people don't tend to rely on landmarks and instead rely on search. My place relies on search almost entirely (minus a few videos that have been made at the place that are floating around). It affects a lot of places period some of which are large and some of which are small, but as you say it's not about you and it isn't about your place, me, or my place, or any singular place. It is about all places and everyone that uses and relies on these systems.

Yep, while me and you may have had our differences in the past Prokofy I agree with you here pretty hard. It is affecting a lot of people and needs to seriously be looked at. No one like Alwin should be attempting to downplay just how bad it actually is. It is worst for people like you that have a lot of parcels that are in search directly as it is costing you money with no benefit while that is down. I've even attempted to toggle it off and then back on just to see if it did anything and it did absolutely nothing. Many many many places are down in searching including some of Second Life's biggest stores.

It's not exaggeration. I know of at least 2 dozen places at this point being affected including several LARGE stores and hangout spots. It's not an exaggeration when it is affecting a whole slew of regions not just specific parcels. Search shouldn't be messing up at any point in time to this degree considering how long it has been around. I'd of guessed it was affected regions on Second Life Server 18.01.08.511751, however that doesn't seem to be the case as some places that do show up are on the version. I don't know why you want to attempt to downplay the actual severity of it being down when many people rely on search to actually get places and there are tons of places that are down. Search Furry and like nearly half or more of the entries that were there the other day are simply gone from search these are places that didn't just up and vanish in a day and it can also cause some confusion to people and the like. I'm obviously smart enough to mitigate crap by sending a notice, but it also means through traffic for people outside of my places group or those that already have landmarks is going to be lower and for some stores that can be a major drag.

I can attest to this happening on a lot of varying parcels. Places I hang out, my own place (Yiff Alley Lounge) and the like are all not showing in search outside of groups for them potentially. Something is definitely busted with search at the moment. There are a few entries that aren't the thing showing up when searching something, but they mostly seem lower traffic spots and the like and are few and far between. This is not affecting just ravenglass and i can definitely tell you that search is enabled for yiff alley lounge. I can tell you right now that it is effecting a LARGE number of places. With ravenglass I know of at least 4 places having issues now and places that would normally show up as alternatives to other places when searching for those places are not showing up either so it is quite massively widespread at the moment. This isn't just a handful of stuff. Blueberry isn't showing up (she wouldn't remove her store from search suddenly), yiff alley lounge isn't showing up, heffa, tropical futa fanatics, some nude beaches, vinyl isn't showing up either, nor is erratic. These are big name stores and places that are large enough that it's a widespread issue. You should be looking into it effecting the whole of SL Jagix and take it quite seriously because something got screwed up somewhere and is affecting the grid in a large large way currently.