Cummere Mayo

February 13, 2011

There are already ways in which the feds do this...

February 13, 2011

All that is legally required there is that these users must identify themselves to LL. There is no need, reason, legal or wotherwise for the user's identity to be made public or otherwise have thier privacy invaded by anyone not LL until a court steps in.

Thats why your ISP, Ebay, etc are not required to post your RL info for everyone to see. If a leggal question comes up, its relatively easy to get a courtt order from the provider for that information.

As far as kids are conerned, the rules are a little differant there, but only in that either adults or kids should be identifyable as such for various legal reasons. however the lable of adult or not adult is of relatively little value in and of itself.

February 12, 2011

Unsubstantiated? I am using things you yourself have done, many of them within this particular blog. You stated here that you speak for those that support LL, you have spoken on the forums and blogs repeatedly you speak for all native americans in yet others you stated you spoke for all second life users. I don't belive that you can make these claims legitimately. You then turn around and make comments about other people making claims about speaking for groups needing to be moderated. you told people in this forum to "just shut up and do it," and in so doing were not only being abusive but also belittling to those of us that already "do it" and then try to pass it off as "no more offensive then saying 'shut up and dance'"

I made exactly two: that you have been abusive and hypocritical in this blog and others. Again, unless you go and delete off the posts you already made here, its your own actions that substantiate my remarks.

As to tie this topic back to the orriginal post, these are exactly the kinds of things for which we really do need more moderation.

I do not believe that by stating these and pointing out that you're being abusive and hypocritical that I am breaking the forum rules, but the lindens are free to disagree.

February 12, 2011

Nany thank you time and time again for being living proof of the failure to properly moderate these forums.

1) you routinely claim to speak for large groups of people (even when your behavior and arguments go agaisnt the values of those same groups and those groups themselves state you do not speak for them) and yet turn around and claim that people that actually DO speak for groups of people or in some cases own the groups those people belong to don't.

2) you state that the forums need to protect people from being harrassed and insulted, and yet you have a track record of insulting people, or being abusive in other ways such as telling all that disagree with something you agree with to "just shut up."

3) you yourself have stated time and time again you invest time and money into a group you supposedly run, and yet you belittle the time and effort of all the content creators who actually do make an investment into SL in that this is either thier sole income source or a significant portion of thier income? And belittle the efforts of all the volunteers like me and many other posters on this forum that have contributed in the attempt to improve second life.

Many of the residents posting on this forum that you tell to "shut up and do it" actually do already do it. Many are major contributors in snowstorm and other major projects that make SL better. When is the last time you have contributed a patch, outlined an idea, spent hours or even days trying to repo a bug so that the developers have a better idea of what might be cuasing it and where to look? If you have done these things, I can find little evidence of it. And I did look at the jiras and at several of the office hours.

I am only asking because many of the posters here on both sides do that. And yet others make their own viewers and in at least one case are involved in making another grid already. If anything all of these people that do these things have far more of a right to tell you to shut up then you have to tell them to shut up.

4) do a little research on the people before you open your mouth Nany. It hurts your point, and in cases like this it hurts those at LL that do listen and work hard with the comunity when you mouth off without knowing what youre talking about or who you're talking about.

There are people at LL that do a kick ass job, and there are things that LL has done right, those things are true, but they do not give you the right to be abusive.

February 12, 2011

"BUT Brooke Linden the User Group Leader of the Maturity User Group hand-picked the residents for her User Group and then the meeting was not open to everyone that wanted to attend. Brooke also told some residents that she will be putting some volunteer mechanism in place 'soon'."

This is worrying. Not only is this why marketplace has continued to fail, but this is flying right against what the purpose of user groups was being touted as.

Furthermore since this maturity group wasn't posted to the official usergroup list, is this even an official user group?

If not then as a merchant, as a volunteer, and as a user, I am requesting that LL publically investigate this allegation and if it is found to be true show your committment to the community is genuine and act swiftly to rectify this situation..

February 11, 2011

"Don't think we'll need a helmet or waterproof mascara when we launch the new platform. Although, they could have come in handy while reading some of these blog comments. "

I am hoping that comment means you're noticing the huge levels of frustration and anger of the community and that its time for LL to recognize what a few small teams within LL have already noticed...

The time for bandaids and stickers is over. The time to say youre listening and not follow though is over.

Oz and Q may come off as abrasive at times, and even seem pretty heavy handed but they do listen, and though it takes a while, they have been known to change their mind on some issues if 1) it can be shown the issue is important to allot of people and 2) the arguments for changes are sound and confvincing. Do I share thier views on many things? no. but they do listen, and sometimes their reasons for saying no are important and worth listening to. Especially, since thier no to one thing might be a we can't do it this way, but if you find a way we can do it we are listening... or a very understandable "we simply don't have the resources to do that right now"

lindens like merov and nyx have always taken user feedback and requests and done what they could with them and if they say no they always clearly state why, which is part of why they are highly respected (and indeed dare I say loved) by much of the comunity.

but, as I've written in two blogs, LL still has too many individuals that seem to think it is their way or the highway, and that the users are stupid. Ironically, some (but by no means all or even most) of them cannot even find some of the simplist things in SL. I'm not talking about new lindens, I'm talking about lindens that have been with LL for years.

This mentality needs to go. If LL wants to thrive again, it's best bet is to listen to what its users need and want. In cases where there are very differant needs, there needs to be options.

Another thing LL needs to lose is the mentality that washing its hands of complex issues is a solution. IE: security and privacy. There's all kinds of small things LL could do to improve security and privacy without opening themselves up to more liability then they already have. In fact in some cases, making the small fixes that they can do would limit thier liability further. For example giving us the ability to have differant levels of security with the built in web browser when it comes to things like cookies and activex controls, the ability to have seprate settings for parcel media and avatar specific media, making all links between SL and any other service opt-in only, allowing residents to abuse report copyrighted content that is so clearly not the work of any user on here. (IE: iconic artwork that the uploader didnt even bother to remove the watermark or copyright mark from such as works by Boris, Bell, Royo and other well known artists, or such. Especially since in many cases the artists themselves cannot figure out how to navigate the viewer to find their art or navigate the long dmca process).

And finally just because it makes sense to people that adding steps to something in the viewer makes it better, doesnt always do so, especially if doing so makes things slower for the people that rely on those functions, and that LL relies on for 99% of the inworld content...

February 10, 2011

*facepaws* Fredrik we're talking about the notes on our OWN profile. PLEASE log into a 1.x based tvp sometime. Look at the profiles there. We have a notes tab on our OWN profile.

February 10, 2011

Good to see youre incouraging people to sign up on facebook to follow secondlife. Since Second Life profiles are a explicitly listed violation of Facebook policy, and since most people do not want to link their RL to their facebook, following your page would be a great way to collect accounts in violation of Facebook policy. Several people have already pointed facebook's abuse team to this page

BTW Facebook does have a policy of banning accounts that encourage others to violate the Facebook TOS. In fact they enforce it better then LL does LL's same policy regarding SL TOS.

Since all but a couple of thousand of the communtiy has screamed that we want LESS facebook integration and stupidity, how about you show LL is listening by scrapping the facebook page and attempts to turn us into facebook.

As far as using it as a way to market to new people, I hate to break it to you, but its clear you don't even have a clue as to SL's reputation on Facebook. If you did, you'd realize pretty quick that Second Life has groups against Second Life that have more members then the Second Life Facebook has members, and that there's growing resentment about the sheer amount of Spam that Linden Lab and a thousand or so Facebook members routinely post, and that there's mroe resentment from even Second Life members who have face book accounts and a strong desire to keep the two seperate.

February 9, 2011

3) I believe this is still there burried in the advanced or debug menu but wont swear to it.

4a) um did you check to see if the fly button can be turned on with the right clicking the bottom bar? I wont swear to it but i think that is one of the optional buttons... if not, find or make a jira, im me inworld, I'll bring that to snowstorm's attention.

4b) right click the navication bar and check show coordinates

5) find me a jira on that, im me with it inworld, I'll happily bring it to snowstorms attention

February 9, 2011

Fredrik: thank you for the progress. Its allot better, however it still doesn't adress the facebook and twitter widgets. please make them opt-in only.

Also please make the web selection apply to world.secondlife.com as well. I realize world is old, but it would make allot of us happier.

Also if our profile didnt even show our name when we select don't show my profile on the web (or show only to those logged in if that is an upcoming setting) that would be awesome.

Still, I'm glad to see you finally were listening and did act on some of our feedback. Its a great start...

February 9, 2011

It looks liek it would be on the web with the other profile editing tools.

February 7, 2011

Tahts the point, the stuff was on alts, and still got linked. why? because of the like button which in turn relayed stuff to facebook and those pretty little apps.

as far as citations for people losing job becuase fo things posted or linked to facebook heres just a few:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/26/fired-over-facebook-posts_n_659170.html#s117689&title=undefined

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/353378/i_lost_my_job_because_of_facebook.html?cat=31

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/05/17/1440447/facebook-post-costs-waitress-her.html

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/24670937/detail.html

http://www.thelantern.com/2.1345/facebook-pictures-pose-a-risk-to-future-1.78490

I could keep going on. As far as second life it self goes i would prefer not to publish the links to a couple of stories i know of because I really don't want to make things worse for the people involved.

February 7, 2011

Thats happened with privacy setting maxed.

February 7, 2011

Spot on?

Are you joking or just hopelessly naive?

is one of the first things most employers look at when you apply for a job. If youre SL is linked in any way to your facebook an employer wont touch you. if you have a job already allot fo companies will fire you for it. especially if you have a very consienscious employer or you work for a government agency.

And yes even if you have a SL facebook profile it can still get linked to your rl one too. and thats exactly what these aps are doing...

February 6, 2011

oh you dont think so? tell that to the people that HAVE lost their jobs becuase of what got linked to thier facebook accounts...

February 6, 2011

If facebook was an honest company and did it the way that myspace widgets did, then yes.

unfrotuneately (and please see links posted elsewhere on this forum and in relevant jiras for proof) they dont. when a page gets liked dataminers add that page's info to facebook, that page then can get linked into facebook search (the way my profiles have). theres programs in facebooks servers and 3rd party apps google and various other places that then go and mine through info looking for similarties in ip addresses of those that visit the page, pictures, words, phrases, even mispellings. in most cases this work is done behind the scenes, but theres a few facebook apps that will publicly list accounts between facebook and SL they think are linked. at least two have been known to leave posts on the walls of facebook accounts they think are likely the same person as an sl profile and offer to link them automatically.

February 6, 2011

of course if someone else likes you your accounts will be linked anyways. but then you still don't understand that do you?

February 5, 2011

pretending no, knowing it did yes. and they couldnt have jsut ditched v2 not with how many millions they spent on it. I don't like the sidebar either but some people actually do.

regardless, the point is that yes snowstorm DID listen about making the floaters come off and dock. I know cause i was at some of the discussions that took place about it. I was one of the testers that gave feedback about it. And its possible that there may someday be an option to turn off the sidebar. Theres still allot of resistance to that but that resistance has worn down considerably so i have hope.

All the other features mentioned were added speficically because of customer and volunteer feedback. Beleive me everyone knows the UI in v2 was shit. Snowstorm is working hard to make it less so... One thing I do find amusing is that those that say no one listens about V2 have actually shown up to the office hours regarding it...

February 5, 2011

Spot on observations. Another thing that should be pointed out: many of those that "complain" here most are the same ones that volunteer our time trying to improve SL.

on this blog aricle alone, in the comments there are at least 4 active members of Snowstorm team here including myself that have comeented to this post. (I'm a tester and do allot of feature concepts the other three I recognize are programers that have between them probably at least 600 features and bug fixes between them.)

Ive seen two former Lindens posting here. People that worked hard to make SL a better place durring their time as employees and who STILL contriubte even when LL handed them pink slips.

Also commenting on this post as "complainers" past and present members of BSI, as well as Mentors, translators, and many other volunteers that help make SL a better place.

Even leaving aside the content creators who are not also part of one or more groups I've named above, I can guarantee the SL would be a far, far worse place without those Ive named. In fact it probably wouldn't be here.

We've paid our dues. We've earned the right to "complain" in order to save something we have invested our time and effort into improving.

And there ARE lindens that listen. Andrew, Gez, Simon, Merov, Oz, Enkidu, Nyx, Tiggs, and to a lessor extent, Yoz and Q. These lindens DO listen and work hard to make it a better place. And sometimes the answer after listening is still no, but they at least listen and explain thier reasoning. And admit when they were wrong and or reconsider something they are dead against if you can make your case good enough.

If they didn't listen you wouldnt have been able to start detaching and docking sidebar panels on the V2, the ability to turn off the speak button if you turn off voice, or all the bug fixes, or the ability to use an outside editor for scripting. Feedback has greatly shaped how the mesh team has approached things. Feedback has greatly affected the massive projects in the works in Snowstorm for the viewer, including whole new layers of customization that are planned and being slowly worked on. Slowly because Snowstorm is so badly understaffed, just lost its product owner, and is busy trying to train up a Linden that is joining the team part time. Considering theres effectively 3 lindens right now (soon to be 3 1/2) the rate of progress on the viewer is amazing. And god only knows what would happen if Snowstorm was properly staffed with even jsut six full time Linden team members like it orriginally was.

So there ARE lindens that listen. It is the company as a whole and certain groups that do not. Unfortuneately, social, marketplace, land, and display name teams have been ones that have not done so well. And these teams have made changes that have adversely affected the community and sometimes, in fact often, its the volunteers like us that get hurt the worse. In fact, thanks to the way information on my profile was leaked I may be losing my RL job and another volunteer I know is undergoing a divorce for the same reason...

But as someone else said, its when we go silent that people should worry about SL and scramble to find alternatives. Because thats the moment when nothing LL can do to save SL ...

February 3, 2011

Hello rod, I'm sorry your alt got outted like that, but I hope you don't decide to just delete it. It can be a very useful tool for a linden to have a known public alt.

I would like to point out something quickly though. the fact is that fredrik isn't making changes based on our feedback. he's ignored the two most requested things. to be able to remove the widgets from our profiles and to be able to have our profiles seen and searched in world without being seen on the web, even to just logged in accounts.

If you would like to understand this issue better feel free to im me, or to look at the following blog posts on the issue:

http://jayrcelasecondlifetechnologist.blogspot.com/2011/01/web-profiles-counter-view.html where I point out allot of the risks with the way privacy is not handled with the profiles and http://lindenw.blogspot.com/2011/02/calling-social-team-out.html where I refutiate posts to the jira made by Yoz and Fredrik.

Please also see the comments on http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/web-3494 and many of the related jiras.

Marketplace User Group: 2/3 9am PST · February 2, 2011

since i dont see an agenda link anywhere i want to bring up four things:

1) usernames should not be causing stuff to get rated adult thats not

2) there needs to be an abuse report link on marrketplace for items that are copybotted, dangerous, or break the tos

3) better tools for properly updating/removing/whatever items

4) fixing gifting

February 1, 2011

one more thing. why was this posted to the forums instead of the blogs where you know... people would have seen it?

February 1, 2011

Brooke, why don't you all do us a favor, and admit Marketplace is borked beyond repair and start over?

I went from having 2-3 sales a week on xstreet to 2-3 a month in parketplace when it first opened to none now because my products (all listed under an alt) are ALL incorrectly flagged because of your hidden crazy filtering scheme. Transaction id numbers still dont match, nor does the idiotic half measure you attemped to put in in its stead.

You want to help merchants, then why not join one of the groups in world and listen to what merchants have to say? or better yet join in the push ive been making to get a dedicated team to address the needs of all content creators for the web, server, and viewer portions of SL? (look up the group sl-ccnaf).

January 31, 2011

Ceera there is so a check for show in search in the 2.x viewers. its under privacy. its always been there.

Problem is now with the new profiles is they still show parts of your profile even if you uncheck this. along with a big join button, your avi picture, and "Join Second Life to see this profile" message.

a new jira to get this latest idioticy removed is https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-3600

please vote it up!

dont forget all the other jiras posted above either!