AylaNeissa Magic

Ok I'll bite but Its not a fav thing for me to bring minors to a grid that isn't minor friendly. 1. I know some very talented creative minors texture artists and Cad hobbiest One of them walked me through using blender a few years ago. I know some minors from another virtual chat site that can make some of the most realistic textured clothing you have ever seen. 2. Minors are people and potential customers for pg based businesses. Those are the only 2 I could come up with but number 1 is a compound of several. However I'm not for this merger as the grid is not Minor friendly content wise.

Did you really just say "pro-teen pervs"? That kind of blew my mind too and I'm against teens on the grid at this time. At least until the proper filters and programs to keep certain content from being rezzed into pg areas are put in place.

There are plenty of teens that actually does have payment info. I know my son has a paypal and his own checking account which I do monitor but its his. I let him have a checking account to teach him about money. The youngest age for a kid to have their own account varries from bank to bank. Mine is a credit union and the youngest age they allow to have a joint checking is 15. So there are plenty of teens that does have payment info. I wanted to clarify that and we are in California

Gee Thanks Cyzicus thats a mental image I just did not want however my hon is loling. Look the problem with bringing teens to the main grid is more of a content problem. 1. Give Creators a way to rate their content to adult or general after you do that see Number 2 2. Put in place the programs and filters needed to keep such adult rated content out of pg areas such as being rezzed into pg areas. 3. PG and mature areas shouldn't be next to each other and finally have a nice day all

Your Welcome Nany I think I still have some textures I used to leave at levels when I worked there.

Nany whatever textures I have up in the market place that are full perm If there are educational, and non profits you may use the full perm textures wherever you wish as long as they are not resold on the other grid. IE for personal builds and displays. Also Nany you had so much faith in LL a few weeks ago, Might I ask where that faith is now?

Nany you can only transfer things out of secondlife that you created yourself full perm items that you created. You would need to talk to various creators to see if they would allow you to use their textures, or scripts on other sites or invite the original creators to the grid your going to in order for them to reimport their content over there for you.

Well this is a smart move if any. It was the non profits and educators that wanted the kids on the main grid. The slight increase I take it is to pay for the added security programming that is needed?

I join mine in online games also. My son wanted to learn how to use Max and blender and I taught him. He wanted to learn how to use Bryce and Carrara and I taught him. He can make the most fantastic landscape scenes. Hes going to be 18 in January and He'll join SL then. He agrees with me, though you might have been that mature not all teens are. So what about the teens that are not that mature and Yes my son is one that isn't that mature. The common teen today blames others for their mistakes instead of taking responsiblity for their own actions. I see it all the time, for every Mature teen I see about 50 that are not.

Yes, there are some parents that actually do monitor their children's use of the Internet, but many of them would never let their kids set virtual foot on Second Life's main grid. I'm one of the people that monitor everything my kids do on the net and hell would have to freeze over before i let them on the main grid. I was playing devils advocate for a bit but any sane and yes I said it Sane parent wouldn't let their kids near Secondlife's main grid.

Well If a parent is willing to keep a total eyes on their own child while in SL and accept responsibility for them and their actions I don't see why not as a matter of fact I'd like to see parents sign a waver accepting responsibility for their own kids actions if something like that was in place then there probably wouldn't be a problem. Don't ya think? However since that isn't being done I think what they are doing with the 13 and 15 yr olds should be done with all the minors. Set them in the educational places and limit their activity to them.

And not even one fake crocodile tear of remorse for eliminating the site for the many AU users that were in no way interested in Second Life? Nothing at all to say to the people whose AU experience was not related to Second Life, before or after you bought their site, and raided it for technology, and then shut it down? I'm sure all those WOW and Eve Online and Harry Potter Online and other game enthusiasts that were the majority of users on AU before LL bought it, and probably remained the in majority up until you shut it down, will have fond thoughts for Second Life and Linden Lab. I agree that LL shouldn't be running AU. But you really should have sold it to someone willing to maintain it for the non-SL AU customers, that you just left out in the cold. I couldn't agree with you more. I used AU online was there long before I even joined SL. I had more then just one site on there and giving me a week to save things I want to remember was not enough. Not nearly enough. All the recent things are saved but hell. I'm very upset about this shutdown as many of my friends are.

Sep 28, 2010 3:34 PM Shockwave Yareach says in response to Brenna Meredith: @Brenna: The estates for the 13 - 15 year olds will be far removed from the mainland. That is true. However, the 16 and 17 year olds will be allowed on PG land on the mainland. And if that was all it was, I wouldn't be the slightest bit concerned. However, go to PG sometime and cam across the border to a Mature sim. You can see into the M sim regardless of the fact you are in PG. You can see into the M sim regardless of the fact that you are or are not a 16 year old. And people have private homes and public businesses in Mature that are well within camming range of hot and horny teens who cannot leave PG, but can still see out of it -- homes and businesses with adult gear and installed in an adult grid and pointedly spelled out as permissible in Mature sims. So we have underaged kids (legally they are kids -- if you don't like the definition, talk to your legislature) who can see inside people's homes in Mature. And if they see me lounging au natural in my hot tub, it's legally no different than if I emailed them pics of my privates -- erotic imagery was transmitted to them by electronic means. And if their parents catch the teen playing as a peeping tom, who gets in legal hot water? I do. I don't even have to know the kid's name or even know they are watching; it's my butt that goes to the butt raping place in RL and get to enjoy all the other fun fun experiences a sex deviant charge brings, like losing my house and home and family. All because I committed the heinous act of lounging in my hot tub as permitted in the TOS. I'll even add more fuel to the fire. How about all the businesses that sell naked skins or "other" stuff that are in camming distance of PG land? It's child's play to cam to a store and click BUY when you aren't even in the store. If you don't believe me, try it yourself. So here you have a store owner who the law says is "supplying prurient materials" and "contributing to the deliquency of a minor" because the vendors in the store supply erotic material to whoever ponies up the L to buy them. And the first these business owners will know about it will be when the police come knocking on their doors at 3am. Now... add the FBI to the happy fun experience which the 16 year olds being allowed into mainland will cause -- guess what level of felony it is when you supply racy imagery to a child across state lines? Oh, that's a Federal rap? Yep, you guessed it in one. So you will be potentially facing your county atty general, your state atty general, and the atty general for whatever region of the country you are in... all because little Timmy peeped over that Maginot Line you call the PG/Mature border and got caught by mommy and daddy and call the cops. Although I am happy that the Teen grid is closing as it was festering with stolen content from the adult grid and now hopefully some of these teens will have to actually buy real legit content all over again in the Adult grid (unless LL is carrying over all these teen accounts with their inventory and much of black market), i have to agree with those posters here and the countless fellow Adult residents of the main grid that I have chatted with about this LL move in that we are very uncomfortable with non-adults roaming around the main grid. Sorry for hurting the feelings of the Teens (16 or 17) that feel this means we adults dont want you. That is not the case. the real case is that the mani grid (even the PG sims) are loaded with several Adult residents that - well lets be honest - are not PG and are very likely gonna prey upon some of the under-aged new residents. Forget about restricting the teens to PG sims... that is the least of your problems. Its the minds of some of the less than savory adults in the grid (as much as LL and some of you adult residents want to believe that all SL adult residents are pure of mind and will respect RL cultural laws and morality rules). Of course there will clearly be the fact that Teens will surely see adult content even if they are on PG land and what they can purchase that is not PG even though the merchant followed ALL RULES on hiding human private parts. Once its bought - its in their inventory and they see and experience it all. Sorry... but as much as I like the teen grid shutting down... I think LL has not thought this strategy through and is only doing this to reduce costs. My prediction.... this idea will bite LL in the butt as I see its only time before somehow legal authorities will be stepping in and knocking on LL's door. No point in stating what has been stated right here I fully concur I'm very uncomfortable with Teens on the grid in the pg areas. I have to give Kudos for keeping the 13 to 15 yr olds to private educational sims however why couldn't that be done with the 16 and 17 yr olds as well?

YAY! I have one question though is there going to be a scaling reference so that we can scale models appropiatly?