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Jubilynn Lane

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  1. 13 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

    I understand your question and reasons for asking, but unless we get a handful of self-proclaimed traffic botters to come here with their reasons, it's going to be very hard to get a satisfying answer. I also have a bad habit of editing my posts after posting them, so I'll reiterate a couple points:

    • I doubt most (if any) AFK places make sustainable income. The ones that are almost entirely filled with the owner's bots might have a slim chance, but I don't think there's enough real traffic to profit off it.
    • If a place has literally no product whatsoever, a barren parcel, I guess bragging rights? Some people just want to have a place that's popular, even if they have to pay out of pocket. Fake traffic can sometimes lead to real traffic, or at least get you out of Page 186.

    The 'sim' is the product,  many of those sims offer RP rentals, or a min game "meter combat ' for instance of some type.  They are enganged in a program of driving new traffic to their sims to encourage people to use the sim's services, what ever those services might be. 

    RPG sims, use that trick to drive new players to a sim.  

    I don't' disagree that if your not a 'new ' player,   you kind of know the trick so its not as effective. 

    Saying its 'not effective' is a misstatement however, we've literally run several experiments with it, and it clearly works to drive new people to your sim.  What you do with them once they get there, is kinda where most sims miss the mark. But saying it doesn't work as a means to get new visitors, is factually not true.  

    The reason I noticed this traffic change, and made the post, was we were actually in the middle of an experiment right now about two weeks in.  And 'new ' user engagement was up over 100%, simply by us leaving a couple of 'bots' on to push us up the search.  It clearly works.  But it shouldn't work, its clearly bad of the grid for all the reasons discussed in this thread. I'd be happy if they did actually change the calculations to exclude idle avatars. 

     

     

  2. 27 minutes ago, RowanMinx said:

    Since we're discussing traffic bots and afk places, I've always wondered what the point was.  So you have a bunch of people on your region.  Looks like your popular so more people come to check it out.  What exactly is gained by that besides a top spot in search?  If the place isn't selling anything, why would it matter to them where they were in search?  All it seems to accomplish for them is people show up, see no one and leave.

    If not being sarcastic in any way.  I just always wondered about the motivation behind it for places that don't sell anything.  Like sleeping beauty afk sex.  Why have a ton of afk avatars there?  They don't sell anything and if I were looking for a place to advertise my own business, I'd go take a look and see the place first.  Oh, just afk people and no one paying attention to my ad/vendor...pass.

     

    The point is to drive new user traffic to your sim.  The stat places you higher in the search. 

    It clearly works btw.  We've tested it many times. 

  3. 6 minutes ago, Wulfie Reanimator said:

    Unless Amazon has made some special deal, it wouldn't make sense that LL is paying Amazon based on LL's own traffic numbers.

    "Our traffic went down 80% so we'll pay based on that remaining 20%."

    Amazon charges based on how much CPU time is spent on their servers. Whether or not an avatar is a real person, a bot, or simply AFK shouldn't affect how much their existence in the sim (Amazon's server) costs them.

    They do, though. The official Knowledge Base article lays out the exact algorithm, I even quoted and highlighted it. I just didn't know where to look.

    You miss the point entirely, those Avatars , on sims, use CPU time and band with,  On Amazon Cloud, which LL pays for. 

    Those Avatars are 'ghosts' they are free accounts that conduct no commerce on SL or Marketplace. They are ONLY a lability for LL.   

    Their only purpose from users is to 'game' the traffic number. if you can't do that anymore they serve no purpose,  their use will discontinue, and all that CPU and Bandwidth LL pays Amazon for , goes away.   

    Thus, LL clearly pays for 'traffic' though Amazon, the less time avatars are being rendered on the server less CPU time and Bandwidth LL pays Amazon for. 

     

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  4. Summarizing comments:  

    1. I agree, time will tell if the was intentional or not. 

    2. Looking at my home sim, and across multiple other sims, it seems today's (12/19) traffic (yesterdays actual traffic) only included times unique avatars were not idle.  Under the already posted by LL's :  http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/About_Traffic 

    That seemed to work out, for those places we could account for idle avatars vs active avatars using 'back of napkin' math. 

    We shall see how it works out going forward.  But LLs may have a motivation for discouraging bot traffic avatars, beyond the in world 'quality of product' issue: Money. The move to Amazon cloud changed their cost model a bit, it was one thing when these bot accounts were considered 'sunk cost' and were using bandwidth and cpu time that was 'excess' and LLs already owned the capacity on.  Now that they are on Amazon Cloud services, LL is paying a cost on these logged in avi's ( all the server side render metadata, asset server and scripting calls ect)  on accounts that have zero income to LL's.    Its an interesting take, that these ghost accounts are a '1000 paper cuts' for LLs with the move to the cloud.  

     

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  5. Well, 
    It looks like Linden Labs finally made good on the 2009 traffic policy.   If you look at the traffic numbers in search today, its seems like they finally stopped counting idle dwell time from traffic "bots" or afk accounts that are clearly logged in just to count on the traffic numbers. 

    Bunch of discussion today in world in various groups, but overall I think this is a good move Despite what 'you' might do , the traffic number is clearly a useful thing for a new user to find sims with active traffic, and this was also, clearly being 'gamed'  by using afk accounts.  Lets see if they stick to this or if its just a fluke. 

     

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