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Nalates Urriah

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  1. 3D modeling programs do have the ability to calc cloth intersections and avoid poke through. Some game engines implement real time cloth. Both are WAY calc intense and slow things down. So most game modelers design clothes to work together or have ways to hide the layers under other layers.

    The SL system allows us to alpha out parts of the avatar. But, there is no alpha layer for prims. One either makes part of a thing transparent or not. The Lab considers what we have to be the best balance between flexibility and performance. While that is debatable, no one has convinced the Lindens to change their thinking. I suspect the fact that most of our modelers are hobby level rather than pro is a big part of the Linden thinking.

    In SL, few designers do layering of clothes well. And I think well on only certain brands of body. None do layering for more than just their own designs. And they tend toward No-Mod which prevents us from making things we own work together.

  2. 20 hours ago, FoxCzay said:

    Estinado TDD123, I appreciate your answer, feeling everything you say, and I know what a mesh is, and a topology that is the lowest in polygon, I know the whole process friend and I handle blender, zbrush and other 3D programs, but everything that has to have a support, where that is run they are called render engines, such as Unity or Unreal which are the best known in the video game or animation industry and that is the question which is the rendering engine Where does Second Life run, I hope someone can help me with that, I also know that the programming is open source, but what rendering engine is running :)

    I think you'll have gotten the idea that Linden Lab wrote their own render engine back about 2003 or 4. A time when online gaming companies tended to build their own render/game engines.  Most of us know that it connects the our computers via an OpenGL interface, making NVIDIA the preferred video card for SL.

    Havok Physics Engine is separate from the render engine. If you are familiar with games, you understand how that works.

    We are hoping the Lab will upgrade the render engine to use Vulkan. But, the Lab doesn't leak plans until they are positive they can deliver on them. So, the Lab is saying nothing about render engine changes. But, Apple has thrown a wrench into game graphics by departing from Microsoft's and NVIDIA's ideas and going with a proprietary engine.

    The Lab is big on maintaining legacy compatibility. VERY SELDOM do they depart from that rule. So, developers can be confident what they build/make today will be usable tomorrow.

    There is no simple way to tell you where the gotchas are for building in SL. AvaStar and MayaStar are tools for Blender and Maya that handle most of the gotchas so you don't have to figure them out. The AvaStar tutorials on YouTube will get you most of the information you need for understanding the SL system. My blog has lots of OLD tutorials that follow the developments in SL modeling. I used to model-raw, no assist from tools, just plain Blender. So, those old tutorials get into some of the gotchas. But, that got old and tedious so I got the AvaStar addon for Blender. Much easier.

    For better answers look or ask in the Answers and Creative sections of the SL Forum. Only a few of the tech people participate in this section of the forum.

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  3. You have found the basic way I think most of us do light-beams in-world.

    The Black Dragon Viewer has a feature called God-Rays. NiranV does some nice shots using those light rays. But, he wrote the computer code that makes the rays. So, I expect him to know how to use the feature. I keep meaning to try it and never get around to it.

    Look up the how to on his blog: Black Dragon Viewer.

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  4. 4 hours ago, Amberyl Ethaniel said:

    For some reason, the articles (they were old so maybe that's why) didn't want SL shadows and basically said if you needed any, you could add them yourself in post processing..old info?
    So if you're doing closeups, setting a lower draw is better?

    When searching in either Google or YouTube you can specify a date range. Look at the last year, then last 2, then 3.... easiest way to find newer tutorials.

    For Draw Distance (DD) use what gives you the background you want. For closeups change the camera's focal length, Ctrl-8 for wider angles, panoramas, and fish-eye closeups. Use Ctrl-0 for narrow angle telephoto which is BEST for low distortion close up work. Use Ctrl-9 to return the camera to its default zoom (50mm).

    I don't consider the computer or performance when putting together a shot. I know people with really old computes that shoot Ultra-graphics and long DD That pull their system down to 2 or 3 FPS. But they get great images. I, and I think they, use graphics presets for changing their camera to and from a performance setting for setting up the shot to a quality setting for the actual camera snap.

    3 hours ago, Amberyl Ethaniel said:

    Ah, I didn't consider the processing speed. Why make it harder on the computer than it needs to be?
    This one I think was 6000 on the larger size. What size do you normally post at?
    Do you buy backgrounds on SL? I saw now that a lot of pose makers use a "set" to go with their poses. I wondered if those worked well..

    I shoot most of my images at 3,000px wide and whatever high from the standard ratio.

    Images uploaded to SL are limited to a max of 1024x1024. Flickr lets you upload whatever size you want. I suspect SL and game images are some of the smaller images on Flickr. I tend to upload 1024 and 2028px wide images on Flickr, which is probably just some OCD on my part. Then I can grab whatever size image I need for a post. Click Flickr's download for the image then select View All Sizes. Then pick a size and right click the image to copy the image link. That link can then be posted in the SL Forum to display the image without a file size restriction. If you examine the images on the SL Forum you'll find a number of them are hosted on Flickr.

    When you down size an image and use DOF you must plan for the downsizing and increase the DOF blur beyond what looks right. Downsizing tends to sharpen the image which removes some or all of DOF effect. I tend to add my DOF effect in Photoshop where I can see what I am doing in real-time and easily tweak it.

    There are places with backgrounds on display. Some of those places allow you to use them for SL photography at no cost. Search in-world for backgrounds. How well they work depends on your imagination when putting the shot together.

    Some of us use green-screen shots and then insert a background we like. Like:


    When using a green-screen in SL use a freeze frame to lock the avatar in place. This will allow you to take a COLOR shot and Depth Map shot. The depth map can be used to mask out the avatar. Green screen does present some color-cast issues. So the SL backgrounds are often an easier and simpler choice, plus everything can be done in the viewer. Otherwise you get into post production work in Photoshop.

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  5. @Chloe Darkheart Yeah. That would be nice. But, there is the matter of protecting Intellectual Property rights. So, we can't export poses from BD's Poser as it would be too easy to make small tweaks to a purchased pose and export it.

    The next closest thing to BD's Poser is AnyPose available in Builder's Brewery (L$4,500 w/export feature). I find it hard to use.

    I do poses in Blender. Which has the added advantage of fitting my avatar perfectly.

  6. Like Chic, don't be afraid to mess with the settings in Preferences. If you want to get wild, save you basic graphics settings as a preset. Makes it easy to reset and start over. I think all the settings on the panel tab show above are saved into a preset when you make one.

    I don't consider ANY of the graphics settings dangerous. You can back out of any mistake or in the absolute worse case clear the viewer's settings and revert the viewer back to its default settings for your video card. Go slow. Change one thing at a time.

    You don't say which viewer you are using. I don't recognize Nick's viewer. But all the various brands of viewers now have the preset feature for graphics settings, AFAIK.

    Not all the viewers have ALL the various graphics settings out where you can find and tweak them. Some are hidden in Debug Settings. An example is here (blog article on Firestorm shadows).

    Black Dragon viewer has made some tweaks and additions to the viewer render engine. AFAIK, all the other viewers use the same exact render engine. The difference is in the settings they make available for tweaking the render engine. Like Chic I tend to use Firestorm most of the time as Black Dragon (BD) lacks some of the features I use several times a day. But, for the best pictures and especially when I need to tweak a pose I resort to BD.

    No one has mentioned Gamma setting for achieving the more muted look... Experiment with it. Preferences->Graphics->Hardware Settings->Gamma (slider)

    Also, post or point to a picture you consider more muted. To me that might mean less vibrant, less contrast, less saturation, softer focus... or a few other things. Any of these changes can be made in the viewer or in post-production editing.


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  7. On 10/11/2021 at 7:04 AM, MoxZ Mokeev said:

    Yes it is with the HUD.  This is the reason that I picked up the freebie.  So that I could learn how BOM works.  So many things to wear, take on and off and it can be damn confusing!  So I've been taking it all off and starting from scratch, watching videos over and over until I figure this out.  Also, can BOM be utilized with just a whole mesh body?  I'm not sure that I much like this whole separate body, hands, head and feet. 

    When mesh bodies/heads became popular we had to learn to use appliers. Only Mod-OK prims and our avatar allow us to add textures. With a prim it is direct in the Build Panel. Pick a prim, the whole thing or a face then select a texture, scale and position it, done. With mesh-prims we have to have a texture that works with that mesh's UV Map. But still, only one texture. To emulate avatar layers onion skin bodies and heads were made, sort of a Russian Dolls thing. For each layer in the body or head we used a copy of the body/head that was tiny, tiny bit larger than the body inside it. Presto, we had a mesh-prim that seems to behave like a layered avatar.

    Getting all the textures on the correct layer of a mesh body was a complex thing. Appliers were the easy way to handle that "put a texture on a special mesh", body or head. But I also use an applier to paint helicopters. I am putting textures on mesh things. More people are into wearing a body than painting helicopters. So appliers are mostly now thought of as being for skin and makeup.

    Avatars are an exception to how we apply textures (aka skin, teats, etc.) We make a skin LAYER by putting textures in a skin item (aka layer). Before mesh bodies all skins used the exact same UVMap. So we did not have to deal with UVMaps. We used TEMPLATES, like Robin Woods' templates. There are Head, Upper, and Lower textures for skin. All three went in a Skin Item and we wore a skin item. Very simple to use. All the complex tech was left to Skin Makers.

    But prims do not do layers like avatars do. They have materials as Diffuse (aka the texture), Normal (aka bump mapping), and Specular (aka shiny) layers. Avatars only use the Diffuse layer, but we can have several of those composited together. In your day Server Side Baking (SSB) was added to improve performance by reducing download traffic and viewer side compositing. Big improvement.

    With the addition and popularity of mesh bodies/heads we were re-creating the download and viewer side rendering problems of the pre-SSB days. Bakes On Mesh is an update to the SSB system. It extended the compositing service to work with prims, generally mesh attached to avatars. For BOM to work we use the old system layers we used with the system avatar. The BOM service does the bake as SSB did. The difference being it hands us back a UUID that links to the baked texture so we can put the composite texture on a mesh-body/prim.

    The only things you need to consider is whether a body/head is BOM compatible and which brand of body you are using. BOM doesn't know about UVMaps. You have to handle it textures (aka system layers), done by wearing a skin, clothing, etc. layers designed for your body's UVMap.

    If you are TRYING to do BOM you'll be lost. There is nothing to do once you enable BOM on the head body. Dress like you did pre-2017.

    PS: there is no reason to have separate parts. My Slink bodies have body, hands, and feet in  one attachment. And I have 5 types of foot in that single body. Generally we use a head and body. People like to mix heads and bodies. Doing a head and body in a single attachment is not proving popular. But you can find a few.

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  8. On 10/7/2021 at 3:14 AM, alycesunday said:

    A couple of people have IM-ed me inworld, but unfortunately, your messages have disappeared from my inbox after logging out and I cannot message you back - please contact me again if you'd like to continue keeping in touch. Thanks!

    When you want to find someone you have spoken to look in your chat logs. They here on Windows:


    If you have IM'd them there will be a .TXT file with their name. If you only talked in local chat then you have to look in the large file CHAT.TXT. Start at the end of the file and work your way toward the beginning until you find them.

    Open the files by double clicking the file name.

  9. 12 hours ago, Echelon Alcott said:

    How reliable are notes these days? In the past I've tried to keep notes on different profiles, but they seem to vanish after a while. Has anyone else had similar experience?

    All may notes seem to remain in place.

  10. Debate with intellectually honest people is always interesting. Unfortunately in this age of mass propaganda people are being trained to hate, be emotional, and avoid genuine debate to come to a reasoned conclusion. It is a win my position no matter how wrong I am factually, an Alinsky style used to push an agenda. People absorb the propaganda and use the propagandists' tactics to defend the propagandists' agenda they have come to believe.

    In SL you'll find debate and philosophy groups. For those that want to get together spontaneously and find others with similar interests, groups are the best way to do that. But, most of the groups in SL that I have tried aren't open to discussion nor do they know how to debate. Not even the founders of the groups. Challenge their beliefs and they'll foam at the mouth and start their ad hominem attacks.

    You obviously don't spend much time on the forum, at least you don't post often. So, you might find the thread Darwin Spinoff enlightening. I think it is a common example of what debate looks like in SL, forum or in-world. In-world people can be more hateful than here in a moderated forum.

    Most people are not looking for answers to their big questions, if they have even become aware of them,... or even their small ones. They are only engaging to defend their beliefs.

    Within the thread are a couple interesting posts where a person calls on authority as an expert in a field to claim people in HIS field never engage in censorship or information suppression. Then a couple of posts later calls for silencing anyone that disagrees with the proposition. To me this is the mark of those arguing from emotion over reason. With such people forming a group for intellectually honest debate in this day and age, especially in SL, is going to be difficult and a drama filled endeavor.

    While interested, I have little hope of your quest working out well.


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  11. Language... The most accurate and useful part of the profile is language. What is your first language? I can pick up language if they have written their profile in their first language. At least I assume it is their first or preferred.

    Some days I am not into using or dealing with a translator.

    I am surprised no one mentioned that profiles are a part of a person's role-play and may say absolutely nothing relatable about the RL person.

    When we start to talk about what a person must REALLY be like from what they wrote in their profile... we are revealing our self, our biases, prejudices, and projecting our world view on them. We say way more about our self than them.

    I think reading a profile as anything other than a statement of what they want in SL and an obtuse clue about their true nature and how they want to play is WAY over thinking it.

    On 9/22/2021 at 2:30 PM, Iggy UwU said:


    with my profile in SL, i constantly edit my profile because i like to keep up-to-date on my information that i like posting and when my interests vary in SL at a certain time. also, i can never choose an aesthetic or theme for my profile since i am THAT person.
    i wonder if anyone does the same, honestly.

    I have 4 or 5 profiles, I change depending on what I am doing and am interested in that day.

    Empty Profiles.. How many of us say something to those with empty profiles? If they are new, I will say something.

    Notes... How many of you keep notes on those you meet? I do for those I spend more than ~5 minutes talking to.

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  12. In 2019 BOM gained support in most viewers. If you were paying attention in 2019 you would have been hearing about BOM and seen the explanations of how it works. If you are one that doesn't care about the SL Tech then may be not. Whatever, if you have missed out on BOM tech and how it works, head over to YouTube and search for the BOM tutorials.

    One of the changes with BOM is the lower render cost. Much of the lowering comes from switching back too the original system alpha layers which we used with the basic avatar. Now labeled the Classic Avatar. The change removes the need for multi-layer mesh bodies and HUDs with static alpha cuts. The HUDs severely limited what we could wear. Going back to the system layer alphas allows us to make our own, again.

    The current avatar bodies and heads are less proprietary and there are more creatives designing them and for them. With your own custom avatar made with your choice of body and head you'll find you have considerable flexibility.

    Also, if you have older clothes, like pre-mesh, you'll find you can use them with a BOM enabled body.



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  13. Translation: Hello ..... My avatar makes a sad face when he runs. Does anyone know why and how to solve it? Thanks in advance

    We need more information. There are too many possibilities for guessing.

    A troubleshooting step is to change or remove the animation you use for running. You can remove all your animation-override (AO) attachments to do that easily.

    If the sad look goes away then you'll know it is one of the animations. Add AOs back one at time to find the problem animation.

    Traducción: necesitamos más información. Hay demasiadas posibilidades de adivinar.

    Un paso de solución de problemas es cambiar o eliminar la animación que usa para ejecutar. Puede eliminar todos sus archivos adjuntos de anulación de animación (AO) para hacerlo fácilmente.

    Si la mirada triste desaparece, sabrá que es una de las animaciones. Vuelva a agregar los AO uno a la vez para encontrar la animación del problema.

  14. Make sure you do NOT have all your attachments on the same attachment point. As attachments are added and removed the system has to adjust for the order of things. Removing and adding the head corrects the viewers confusion about what is where-when.

    The head and its deformer are likely to work best if both are on separate attachment points and the only things on those points.

    When you create an outfit and then wear it the order of things being applied is unpredictable. Using Firestorm open the Outfits panel expand an outfit and right-click Wear - Replace... Notice the order in which things are attached. It looks random. But, I suspect it is a process that winds through the skeleton's attachment points. So where you attach things will likely make a difference.

  15. The arrangement of the avatar skeleton (aka armature) makes that unlikely. Such bumps would likely have to be an add-on like the once popular Lola (Lolita?) breasts. The skin matching would be an added complication. But, BOM would make that easier. So, I think it possible. I just doubt anyone has done it.

    This is something I would expect a body sculptor to make. Incentive for them is usually the popularity of a look.

  16. On 9/27/2021 at 8:07 AM, Ayeleeon said:

    But does it help promote the idea that smoking is glamorous and this increase the chance that others might smoke in RL?

    Fair enough question. But, in hindsight, this subject would better have been taken out of this thread and started in its own thread.


    I was wondering though the Mount Olympus region's SciFi stuff.

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  17. A totally hilarious aside popped up in the SL Forum thread, How does your avatar look today ?

    Question posed: "But does it help promote the idea that smoking is glamorous and [thus] increase the chance that others might smoke in RL?


    The question isn’t funny. The responses from the influence susceptible people are funny and sad.


    We have studies and stats regarding the effect of exposing children to portrayals of various behavior and particularly smoking. (Ref - 2015) One really can’t debate whether such portrayals have an influence. The correlation data is clear and abundant.

    The concern is from the idea children have yet to fully develop mentally and still lack critical thinking abilities thus are highly susceptible to influence. So the effort to eliminate the portrayal of smoking in various media consumed by the young came to be. Generally a good thing.

    Unfortunately, some people never develop the skills needed to protect their thinking from directed influence, regardless of age. More unfortunate is human nature is such that to a greater or lesser extent everyone can be programmed when that nature is understood. The infamous example is Nazi propaganda and censorship (aka controlled media and cancel culture).

    Corporations have learned how to market their products or said another way, to influence people to buy their product. Politicians and ideologues have adopted and advanced the science/art of how to influence people to program in their ideas and agenda. Some people never realize how they are being influenced or on which subjects and ideas.

    I see us in an ocean of information and propaganda. Huge amounts of it are spun or faked to influence people toward a particular agenda. When listening to people you often hear the result coming out, especially if you recognize a particular agenda's talking points. Any discussion of the principals involved is omitted.


    The question isn’t so much should the creative use of smoking in an artistic image be restricted, as whether the audience here is so programmable we should infringe on the artist’s freedom of expression?

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  18. 1 hour ago, GlassEyeDoll said:

    I need to figure out how to get the DOF to be less sharp, the settings go over my head.


    Explanations of DOF get a bit long. You can ask for help in the Answers section of this forum.

    There is a jargon to photography in SL that is a mix of SL and RL. Orwar has put up a glossary to help.

    Once you understand how it works it is pretty easy to control to get the result you want.

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  19. Since you are using the Firestorm built-in AO examine it. Look through the animations you placed in the Walk section. Make sure you didn't mistakenly enter a Couch walk as a walk. Also, check your AO settings. If you play walks in randomly or in sequence or just change each time you start walking, or only allow manually changing walks. This makes a big difference in what you see. Some walk animations are very short one or two second animations. If you are playing all walks in sequence or randomly as they finish you could get the effrct you are seeing.

    I suggest you play each of your walk animations. The names on some animation are totally misleading.

    If you think it is a keyboard problem, try another keyboard. If you don't have one, get logged than disconnect the keyboard and use the mouse to walk. Press RMB to walk. You can LMB-Drag to steer. You should be able to tell if it is a keyboard issue or not.

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