Bas Curtiz

My perfect world situation ? I just tried to have the same situation. Which indeed is near to impossible, unless I'd create 40 alts, put them on a sim I bought myself. Which then again, won't show a ''real life situation'' like I've shown in the vids. Not sure what you mean by ''controlling the environment'', but I bet you talking Draw Distance? Or derezzing other avatars? Yep, ''real life situations'' are shown; when there are avatars around the fps will drop, hence I took a few different locations/cam POV's and re-recorded the same over and over to see if the results are consistent. and they are. There's simply a difference in which CPU used, and what FPS it reaches. I didnt clear cache, since that's bound to how fast stuff rezzes, not with FPS-rate. All sims in my testings ran at 45fps. I used a WD Green SSD, which is again not important when we talk FPS comparison. Right, and therefor you can see in my vids, the same consistent overall more FPS at one CPU compared to the other? I wasnt showing Second Life vs. Minecraft , nor I showed totally different locations or viewpoints. I showed the same different locations and viewpoints. And there you're trying to compare - i don't know what your location is / what you are seeing etc - to mine. Something is very wrong in your comparison there ^.^ I can't test a real crappy internet connection, since I dont have one. But it atleast shows, speed isn't the culprit. CPU does however. - Feel free to do better comparison (with evidence) than I did 😃 We could for instance go inworld, same spot, some POV and same settings, to compare your rig against mine.

@MarissaOrloff As my videos show 9900k is indeed the best, but my question was, which is best (without paying up a 500 bucks worthy cpu) for SL. I'm aware any av with high complexity in unsual values (300k+ for example) will make this test not valid. Hence I used the Exhale club with loads of avs in one spot, but same amount of avs, and those who have too much complexiity/scripts/etc. (the red ones on the board) get auto ejected after 2 mins. So all in all, I can look at numbers at the usual sources you describe above, but that doesn't say how it would be for SL. Hence I think I've come close to a fair benchmark for SL. - Great info on the iMac + Bootcamp getting performance degrades; that's useful for someone. Also interesting that Linux has 20% performance improvement on your 2080 compared to Windows. Would love to see videos of that, like I did, since everyone is just talking without any real evidence for SL.

Wrong. See: Conclusion: No difference in FPS, when you got a slow internet connection. So internet-speed is not bound to fps. CPU remains relevant. Highly a bit slower in rezzing the world.

@cheesecurd I think the topic stated was very clear: "My goal was to find out which CPU is better for SL." (Not for any AAA-game, 3d autocad rendering, unzipping, crypto-mining, or whatever.) Nevertheless, I can't argue with Ryzen 3rd gen being a better choice for all those other jobs (however i5 will still have slight advantage game fps-wise), since these are overly tested and shown all over the web already. Unlike... Second Life. And that's why I had to setup such test comparison myself. Common case scenario: "Hey guys, I want to play SL in best performance possible, without paying a leg or an arm. I check my mail and surf the web, print things out, and play SL. Which CPU should I get?" ...And those people finally have their long-awaited answer (& proof).

@cheesecurd I think you didn't watched the video(s). Let's say a Ryzen 5 1600 will perform as good as the Ryzen 5 3600 (which it won't, but still)... You get 20 fps max. in busy sims then (if overclocked). With i5 9600k you get 27 fps max. in busy sims (if overclocked). That's a fps gain of 35%. Since we all tend to feel ok with 24fps (like cinema) and above, but NOT less fps(!), it's the difference between a smooth picture and a choppy picture. Conclusion: Best bang for your buck fps SL wise = i5 9600k (when overclocked to 5ghz) 😎

I now also tested the i7 9700k + i9 9900k [stock + overclocked]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mju3Fp6J20 Total Comparison Performance FPS - Second Life - i3 / i5 / i7 / i9 / Ryzen 5 3600 / 7 1700x: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=476CRZzEsCA

@Lillith Hapmouche Not an average, but minimum difference. In other words: either you get the experience of smooth fps (above 24 fps like cinema) if u go for i5 and OC it.... or not so much. @Maryanne Solo FYI, end of November 2019 price-wise: i3-9350kf = €145 Ryzen 5 3600 = €191 Ryzen 7 1700x = €194 i5-9600k = €222 i7-9700k = €375 i9-9900kf = €499 So a different ballgame, atleast in price. I'll try to compare the i7+i9 later on aswell.

My goal was to find out which CPU is better for SL (without paying a 500 bucks worthy CPU like the i9-9900k) I'm aware SL doesn't use multi-cores, but single-core: so in theory it benefits from the highest clocked frequency. I finished my CPU performance comparison FPS-wise in SL with same hardware/settings/viewpoints/avs/etc. for: Ryzen 5 3600 vs. Ryzen 7 1700x [stock + overclocked] check it out here: https://youtu.be/VDpN-w-0sts Intel i3-9350kf vs. i5-9600k [stock + overclocked] check it out here: https://youtu.be/my-J89BM6Nk Conclusion below the vids.

To give u a comparison, I did a benchmark with Defraggler's random read-speed. Local disk (SSHD): 5.63MB/s RAMDisk: 1104.20MB/s An increased random read-speed of 196% ! Imagine how this will affect how fast your cache-folder will load up inventory and inworld stuff...

The RAM-dump-tool mentioned above isn't working properly. Its build for Windows XP. I've tried Superram which seems to do its job. I have to experiment a lil' more, to recommend it. ReadyBoost is making my system slower than without somehow. Maybe that's because I use a Hybrid SSHD. I'm using the RAMDisk solution set to 2048MB; dedicated to SL's cache, which loads everything faster inworld. Recommended! (if u got enough psychical RAM)

Actually the 10-20fps was WITHOUT a screen-capture program running in the back. I bought an external video-capture usb-card , so it wouldnt eat up the extra 10-15 fps. So far u can check out my capture-results here: http://www.clubkarma.tk Shot in High settings, without ALM/shadows and Water-reflection to minimal. A friend of mine suggested a RAM-dump-tool + ReadyBoost. I'll try that out and see if i gain any extra fps. To be continued.

Yesterday, I did a test with a friend in sl, to see what's needed for great fps in a crowdy dance club. Since I want to shoot a video-trailer for this club, I want eyecandy, so Ultra-settings with shadows on. I use a SpaceNavigator to make the shots more cinematic. Hence SLgo isnt an option; they don't support 3d mouses. And resolution is limited to 1280x720. My gear: CPU: Intel® Core2 Quad CPU Q9550 @ 2.83GHz (2833.01 MHz) Memory: 8192 MB OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit Service Pack 1 (Build 7601) Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 770/PCIe/SSE2 Windows Graphics Driver Version: 9.18.0013.4788 OpenGL Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 347.88 His gear: CPU: Intel® Core i7-4960X CPU @ 3.60GHz (3599.94 MHz) Memory: 16323 MB OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 64-bit Service Pack 1 (Build 7601) Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation Graphics Card: GeForce GTX TITAN Black/PCIe/SSE2 Windows Graphics Driver Version: 9.18.0013.4752 OpenGL Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 347.52 Environment: Crowdy dance-club with avg. of 40 avatars packed close to eachother on a dance-floor. Facing the crowd drops the framerate / Facing away from the crowd adds framerate. Settings: - Ultra with all the bells and whistles checked on - Avatar impostors set to 12 - Advanced Lightning Model on - Water-fx set to minimal - AA on x2 My results: swinging from 10-20 fps His results: swinging from 70 to 35 fps Bare in mind: a screen-capture recording program like FRAPS or oCam will eat another 10 fps minimum. Since a normal smooth video is like 25/30 fps, it looks like there's no hope, other than buying a 900 dollar cpu + another 900 dollar worth gpu, to make a creamy motion video-trailer with such crowd.

If the hick-up ones are displaying smooth for you... I think it has something to do with the fact i'm running on a PC / Windows 7, and u on a Mac.

ohwow... and which viewer do u use? I'm using Phoenix Viewer 1.6.0.1600. Since i'm not sure, why it works/doesn't work with MPEG4 (=H.263) or/and H.264, i've uploaded several samples encoded by 3 programs, each in MPEG4 and H.264-format. The (free) programs I used are: - Freemake Video Converter - Format Factory - XviD4PSP Here are the end-results, check it out yourself: http://ferdinandvanwijnen.nl/pan_am/samples/ff-avc.mp4 - visual best quality inworld - smooth subtitles [format: AVC / profile: High@2.1] http://ferdinandvanwijnen.nl/pan_am/samples/ff-divx.mp4 - visuals are somehwat vague - visuals are somewhat pixelated - smooth subtitles [format: MPEG4-visual / profile: Simple@L1] http://ferdinandvanwijnen.nl/pan_am/samples/freemake-h264.mp4 - visuals best quality outworld - hick-ups video wise inworld / audio runs smooth though - no anti-alias on the subtitles; looks rough [format: AVC / profile: High@L3] http://ferdinandvanwijnen.nl/pan_am/samples/freemake-mpeg4.mp4 - visuals are somewhat pixelated - no anti-alias on the subtitles; looks rough [format: MPEG4-visual / profile: Simple@L1] http://ferdinandvanwijnen.nl/pan_am/samples/xvid4psp-mpeg4-divx.mp4 - fontstyles incl. italic/music notes/etc. showing; not present at the others; nice smooth subs - video is pixelated; ugliest of all [format: MPEG4-visual / profile: Simple@L1] http://ferdinandvanwijnen.nl/pan_am/samples/xvid4psp-xvid-h264.mp4 - fontstyles incl. italic/music notes/etc. showing; not present at the others; nice smooth subs - smallest filesize - hick-ups video wise inworld / audio runs smooth though [format: AVC / profile: High@L3] And the winner is.... Format Factory using AVC You can download it here: http://www.formatoz.com/download.html NOTE: The Wiki of Second Life recommends either using Quicktime Pro or HandBrake. Quicktime Pro costs money, and doesnt have an option of hardcoding subtitles into the movie. HandBrake has the same disadvantage, though it's free.

Funny how tho... at Second Life's Wiki, they recommend H.264 Check it here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Encode_video