Tegg Bode

"As others have pointed out, Sansar is really not for us. So that's the thing: for those who enjoy (or enjoyed) Second Life, the most optimistic hope is for Sansar to fail quickly, before it squanders all of LL's resources, so we can get past this distraction and finally get on with fixing Second Life's shortcomings." Sorry but who elected you the spokesperson for "us"? I'm damn sure there will be plenty of people from SL who as with other virtual worlds will move on to others they find they prefer. They've reached limitations of the SL engine can do hampered by retaining compatibility for old crap and most of the gurus who know how its code works are gone. Sorry but not everyone is stuck in the 90s. Careful what you wish for, if Sansar starts to fail, the bean counters will suck every cent out of SL and its maintenance that they can to save it. And if it fails completely it might mean the end of LL and SL gets sold to someone else who just by coincidence is launching a new virtual world under another company name and pulls the plug on SL completely. And from what I've read so far a VR headset for Sansar is going to me great, but optional, not a requirement.

City of Heroes or WOW aren't stupid comparisons, for most users wanting to take stuff across like clothing Avatars etc SL is entertainment not an investment. That SL miilonare pulled out long ago as have all the smart people who were investing in SL as a business. Those people will be jumping into SLs replacement and making money again without clinging to the old world. Doing bandaid coding to move content across isn't going to work, LL's been bandaiding SL for the last 5 years, there will be new formating preventing use of old content that was done in a different way, you have no idea of the complexity of mking something that runs old content without screwing up things for new content. Few people at LL nowdays understand how the original coding worked, hence they had to do Viewer 2 project. Despite people thinking and wanting to believe SL will last till they die or be some eternal thing they can pass to their grandchildren, its not going to happen, its like trying to keep using CPM word processor files or wanting your Atari cartridges to work with the X-Box.

I put hundreds of dollars into City of Heroes too, did people expect that back because it shut down? What about World of Warcraft, do people expect their money back from that when they pull the plug? Its had a reasonable run but SL is old, when the plug gets pulled it gets pulled. I was hoping Google or someone similar would take up the flag, but if LL's replacement is good enough they'll probably buy it out anyway..

Oh No! I can't take my stuff from Fallout1 to Fallout 4!!! People will rebuild their sims better than before and new people will build new better sims than our current best. The people that won't will be like all those people who didn't want any change like voice, mesh, windlight, materials etc.... Long dead Dinosaurs..........,

I was hoping to see some announcement about it at SL12B if Uncle Phil was there, maybe a few snapshots ot some video footage would be nice.

Hopefully we can take our Avatar names and friends lists, maybe groups over if not our material stuff.

I guess it will continue for a year or two at least till the replacement is up and running and people have moved over by their own desire to do so, hopefully we can take our Avatar names and friens lists, maybe groups over if not our material stuff.

Get in before the bots do Road access for all 4 blocks, near a free Land & Water Vehicle rezzing platform http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Desire/237/119/123

Simple used your imagination, make something new & unique, sell it then pump money out of the game.

What I've noticed over the years here is many of those who complain loudest and threaten to sell up their sims or delete their accounts are the ones who are still managing make actual net profit from SL I guess trying to make a comfy living from SL isn't easy as many would like. "Change is always bad, stagnating is easier"

"Oh that's what we want, random people teleporting to us while we're dressing, building or visiting with our sweetie. There is already an ability to teleoport people to you when you want them to come to you. We don't need them popping in on us whenever they feel like it." Read it more carefully before firing off your negative attitude next time. It's optional, just because some people don't want to use a feature, it doesn't give them the right to deny everyone else.

I like the premium only sandbox idea, it means I don't need to depend on tennants spare prims for building and I'm sure there are many premiums with just a 512 plot thad don't want to delete their home every time they want to build a 150 prim object. It would be good if registered alts to my premium account were also able to build there. Sometime I use an alt as a maniquin. It's possible that more premiums will socialise with each other as previously public sandboxes have just been untidy uncleaned griefer havens. I'd really like a reduction in tier then I might buy more land. I've tiered down already from 3/4 of a sim to 1/4.

by Vivienne Schell on 08-28-2011 06:34 AM "Dunno about Flexiprims, Sound and Color. Because this was before January 2009. User concurrecy has been cut by a third since then. In spite of Mono, Voice, Sculpties, Windlight. We´re back in January 2008. Shiny technology, self-serving techie progress and a few nerds isn´t what makes Second Life attractive, and never was" Yeah but you got to remember the 1/3 of the "population" we lost were land bots, camping bots and traffic bots, there were more bots online than real people, we might be 50/50 now

"Sorry to be the stick in the mud but i like sl the way that it already is... why fix something not broken?... LLabs get more memory and boost the lag issues instead? My jeans look anough like jeans already but they really scuk when i lag halfway across a sim just trying to walk across the floor ... jus saying". And some people liked SL just the way it was before it had Sculpties, Flexiprims, Voice, Windlight, Mono, Sound & Color ........................................

WOOOOT!

I see sculpties being a bandaid on the way to mesh. As far as I understand sculpties are a limet form of mesh. Mesh is much more powerful and more content available, I don't see any game engines upgrading from mesh to sculpties. Sure there are going to be issues etc but that probably why they haven't been released yet. The biggest problem I see for the consumer is shape & sizing of bodies & clothing, hopefully some sort of standard will occur. I'm hoping most items will still stretch and shrink to enable some fitting to be possible for bodies that are taller or shorter and slightly different proportions. We need to move into the 21st cntury sooner or later, despite a lot of good efforts our 90's avatars suck.

They are a nice idea but when they obviously irritate other residents it's just not on. If someone wants a sim like this let them buy a whole sim or 4 and fill it with as many vehicles as they like.

Next to go will be the Lindens inworld avatars & names........................

I'm going to miss the office hours. I guess if Linden Labs hsven't the faith or can't make Second Life work to communicate with it's customers, then what does that say to other companies thinking of using SL. Facebook, Twitter etc are all very non-immersive.

Welcome Rod, Great start learning from the ground up, as someone else suggested Search>Events>Education has great classes and willget you meeting a wide spectrum of residents, also be sure to check out plenty of public places like sandboxes and welcome area infohubs, make sure you use an alt account too. Try a couple of TPV's too so you can see what residents are doing with their viewers. I love the toga and the raft, go with it mate.

Welcome Rod, My advice? Don't say anything or do anything till you've spent a month talking to residents and your team, look up some inworld history, Explore SL with Alt from it's top to bottom, Newbs to Olbies, Teleport randomly around the grid a bit, don't judge us too early, there is a wide selection of communities here, and have fun Wish lists for many of us us is get Windlight finished, New Avatar Meshes, more Office Hours with Lindens, Cheaper Tier, and do something about Verifying Residents or restricting abilitites of Unverified Accounts so we don't allow Griefers, Scammers and Content Thieves to do what ever they want using anonymous disposable accounts.

Dec 17, 2010 5:00 AM Chance Unknown says: About time. Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out. At least he'll be leaving via a door, not like youself and the alts you hide behind going down the garbage chute with your adfarming network

Dec 19, 2010 3:04 PM JoeC Mixmaster says in response to Emilia Cornwall: Ohh rofl am I blind or what? I should have seen that right in front of me lol thx That only fixes it for this thread, you need to go into Email notifications/preferences in the "Your Stuff" tab at the very top left to fix it permanently.

2.4 runs fine for me 3yo Intel quadcore 2.2, 4Gb Memory, 9800 GeForce Nvidia running XP 5yo dual core Intel 2.6, 1Gb Memory, 9600 GeForce Nvidia running XP 6yo Laptop Intel 2.0, 1Gb Memory 5500 GeForce Nvidia running XP ( a bit chunkier of course and lower settings)

Keli Kyrie says: OK tried it for like 5 minutes. I can not LIVE without my outfits working right!!! The links in the other post tell how to work around it, um.... like way to complicated for me. I need this feature to work! It is the only thing I have organized. I am going back to Viewer 2.3. UPDATE: Tried to go back to Viewer 2.3 won't let me. It just tries to send a crash report and won't let me open the program. I might have to reload everything. I guess to most people this would not be a problem but I have over 120 Outfits. I can't reset all of them! This is very upsetting!!! UPDATE: Used remove programs to delete 2.4. 2.3 is loading now. What you need to do is when you install SL install the new versions in a different folder and go into preferences and set them to different cache folders too. Hence I have SecondlifeSG (Snowglobe1.23) SecondLifeV2 SecondLifeRC SecondLifePhoenixV1 And I also make cache folders for each the same. I save each setup file into the folder it goes into, but before I install SetUp V2.3 I rename the previous setup folder from SecondLifeSetUp to SecondlifeSetUpV2.2, so it's an easy reinstall later if need be. Doing this I never have an issue installing V2.4RC over V2.3RC, I don't even have to replace/change the destop shortcuts. Having more than one viewer installed is a must, because often we get people saying "SL is Down, Nobody can Login" or "My Avatar won't rez, all my stuff is deleted forever!" blaming the servers when a simple login with a second viewer suddenly reveals the truth that's a viewer problem or at least confirms it is a server problem. Installing V2.x into a folder that was V1.23 then reinstalling 1.23 over it again is just suicidal