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17 minutes ago, Marigold Devin said:
Someone surely must know who won that car. The person who won that car surely wouldn't have opted for no publicity,
I don't know why you're so sure the winner would not have opted for no publicity -- they might not have wanted to publicise their First Life details in SL (or vice versa).
If you're that interested, their identity should be simple to discover, or perhaps would have been had you acted sooner. According the Sweepstake rules. to which all participants agreed
QuoteWINNERS
For the name of the winners, available after July 30, 2023 (for a period of at least 30 days), send an email to: winners@dja.com with "Second Life 20th Birthday Celebration National Sweepstakes WINNER" as the subject line. Winners list will be sent after the prizes have been awarded.Only one way to find out.
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1 minute ago, Ted McGregor said:
OK. Can you tell me about any precedent in any jurisdiction which has actively convicted a 3rd party within SL for displaying a SL UUID only ?
At least in the EU and the UK, it's not a question of what data you display. It's a question of what data you store, for what purpose, under what conditions, who has access to it, and what consents the person to whom the data relates has given.
All I'm saying is that it's probably not an issue for LL but it might well be an issue for the relevant data protection authorities, whoever they might be, so it's something people should take up -- if they feel sufficiently strongly about it -- with their local data protection authority rather than with LL (or in these forums).
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4 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
It still falls to the individual if they feel a law has been broken. Maybe all those who feel Progeny is using their UUID outside any law should band together and file papers in their respective countries. Let us know how that goes.
From the Wiki that's being cited...
In order to collect, store, process, or transmit Second Life user Personal Data, you must satisfy all applicable global privacy regulations.
Not sure LL will bother looking into whether Progeny is satisfying all applicable privacy regulations but the OP is free to do so.
That's what I did with RedZone way back when -- long story short, the British data protection authorities told me they couldn't touch them because neither RedZone nor LL kept any of the relevant data in the EU. However, the law has now changed and, were RedZone still a thing, they'd have the data protection authorities of several countries coming for them.
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3 minutes ago, Ted McGregor said:
I would have no clue. Although I believe if the jurisdiction where Progeny keeps their database is outside of the U.S., legal claims to total privacy of your UUID in SL seem all the more unlikely to be acknowledged.
"All the more unlikely to be acknowledged" by courts in which jurisdiction?
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1 minute ago, Ted McGregor said:
IF personal data is publically availiable without consent. This does NOT include a simple thing as a UUID.
Please direct me to the relevant law in the jurisdiction you say Progeny's database is maintained and processed.
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6 minutes ago, Ted McGregor said:
At which point LL's legal team will always pull out the ToS which states that you AGREE to using THEIR service based on U.S. law on THEIR terms, which in turn does not give you personal governance or legal posession over your UUID.
Yes, but my point is that whoever owns Progeny's database needs to worry not only about LL's Terms of Service but also about the relevant data protection law wherever they happen to be based, because failure to comply with that can result in the data regulator, not LL, issuing hefty fines.
Since I don't know where Progeny's database is kept, what they store in it, or what there law is wherever they are, I have no idea if they need to worry about their local data protection law or not, but I do know they need to comply with that as well as LL's ToS.
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23 minutes ago, Ted McGregor said:
I'll elaborate further : your UUID is not private. It belongs to LL as a point of identification within their system and databases. You cannot prevent others users to see this UUID or 'abuse' it for personal use.
You agreed to the ToS therefore forfeiting this data to be yours.
1 minute ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:Your avatar's UUID is NOT YOUR "personal data", it's just an SL internal reference, and loads of things store it on external databases, a classic example is the Legacy mesh bodies, they keep track of your avatar's UUID, on their servers, so it knows what to connect your Legacy HUD to, when accessing skins/tattoos etc., stored on your avatar's record.
I'm not so sure about this -- whoever maintains the database must comply not just with LL's Terms of Service but with the relevant data protection laws in the jurisdiction where that data is stored and where it's processed.
While I don't think a UUID on its own is personally identifiable data, a friend of mine who is more familiar with EU protection law tham am I argues persuasively that it is, or could be, at least as far as EU data protection law is concerned. I'm not wholly convinced, but I can understand the argument, and she certainly knows more about the topic than do I.
Presumably it would be a matter for the courts to decide, if it ever became an issue. And I have no idea what the law on data protection (if there is one) has to say about the matter in the case of Progeny, because I don't know in what jurisdiction they store their data, or what data they store -- if they store anything in addition to the simple UUID, that could certainly make a difference..
So while I share your doubts that LL would regard uuids as personal data, I'm not so sure what view data regulators in different jurisdictions would take, and they're the ones with the power to levy hefty fines.
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As Rolig says, it's very much a matter of personal taste. For myself, I've never really see the attraction of Firestorm. I've got nothing against the viewer, though I was rather put off by the evangelical fervour of some of its more enthusiastic supporters back in the days of the "viewer wars," but it's always seemed to me to be a bit of a Swiss Army Knife, with a few features I find really useful on the odd occassion I need them, and dozens that I never use. That reflects what I look for in a viewer, of course, and probably also reflects the fact that I'm sufficiently old school that I became accustomed to using the debug menu to access various viewer settings well before Firestorm exposed them through the UI.
I tend to use the Official Viewer most of the time, generally one of the release candidates, because I like to familiarise myself with all the latest features as soon as they become availalble, and Catznip, which has a very similar look and feel to the Official Viewer, when I want to do anything with RLVa. Firestorm I tend to use primarily to check that objects and scripts look and work the same way in that viewer as they do in the other two.
Also, not so worried about condiments with chips as much as I'm concerned about how they're cooked -- heat lard or beef dripping (not vegetable oil) until it's starting to smoke, then deep fry them until they're just turning golden, remove them from the fat and drain them while reheating the fat until it's starting to smoke again, and then return to the fat until they're golden brown.
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I asked ChatGPT:
"Dream. Explore. Connect. Repeat."
"Virtual World, Real Emotions."
"Beyond Reality, Second Life."
"Discover, Play, Create, Live."
"Imagination's New Reality Playground."
"Live Twice, Dream Again."
"Create. Interact. Experience. Transform."
"Second Life, First Choice."
"Reality’s Parallel Virtual Universe."
"Every Day, Another Life."- 8
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7 hours ago, diamond Marchant said:
Curious things… candidate can work remotely but has to be in one of 15 states?
A friend once asked LL if she could apply for a remote-working job despite living just the wrong side of the border from where the job was based, in a non-remote working state, and if not, why not.
LL explained to her that the tax laws in most US states mean that, if a business has even a single employee working from home there, the business becomes liable for that state's business taxes on all its operations everywhere, which is why they have to restrict the states from which they can recruit remote workers.
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2 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:
So, you had no idea who "the most important secondlifer ever" was either, thanks for reinforcing my point about
Some old fossil wrote :
"Obviously we all remember NeverHeardOfThem 'nickname' IrrelevantToday, from a few decades back, the most important person ever!"
Most people around today wrote
"Who? NVM"
I just checked their profile, as I really wasn't interested enough in some obscure exile, to waste time googling for them, just as II didn't bother googling for some "style guru/model agency ceo" who posted a few years back to "announce the good news that they had returned to SL after x years" as if any of us cared.
As for the posts you linked to, that just proved that my assessment of "cruising for a bruising" was bang on the money.
No, I remember Void very well, and very fondly. She was hugely helpful and patient when I was starting to learn how to script, as she was with many others.
I think it would be fair to say that, at the time, she was one of the few SL scripters who really understood how to use quaternion rotations (which you need not just to open and close doors by script but to rez, position and move stuff, too), was ready to share her expertise with others, and was able to explain it all in terms that non-mathmaticians (like me) could understand.
My point was simply that, had you been at all interested in finding out what Void's open letter was all about, it would have taken you no more than a couple of minutes with Google.
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21 minutes ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:
Well, YOU might have known who they were, and what ancient history they were involved in, and been able to trawl up log dead threads, all I had to go on was their profile, including a group that mentions a 'boycot' connected with SL not being 'free', and an apparent total lack of activity after 2007.
One goes with the evidence to hand, and Sherlock is fictional, remember?
Congratulations, having more evidence you can now feel smug about knowing somebody most current SecondLifers have never heard of, and probably don't care about after 12 years.
/me shrugs.
It's like that fake university griefers club, and their arch enemies the vigillante griefers club, who all got punted out of SL, and then tried stirring up an SL media storm for the 10th anniversary of punting, to point out how important they were, and most people just shrugged, as they had never heard of them and cared even less.
Some old fossil wrote :
"Obviously we all remember NeverHeardOfThem 'nickname' IrrelevantToday, from a few decades back, the most important person ever!"
Most people around today wrote
"Who? NVM"
Nope. I simply used Google, clicked on the first hit, and scrolled down the thread a bit to find the two links I posted.
Easy-peasy.
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1 hour ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:
I had no idea who "forgotten.oldbie" was either, unsurprising ss they appear to have flounced some time prior to 2008.
However from their profile, I'm guessing the "open letter" demand was that LL should make everything free, because "FREE THE WEB" anti commercialism.
You know, the free-warez all data must be public, all source materials must be shared crowd.
Any one telling a company that they must make their product 100% free because tech-hippy-neo-communism, was "cruising for a bruising" as the saying goes.
As Sherlock Holmes remarks to Dr Watson in A Scandal in Bohemia,
Quote"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."
https://community.secondlife.com/forums/topic/79319-finitys-end/page/2/#comment-1281015
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18 minutes ago, Teresa Firelight said:
@Innula .. can you set up two? one that trips if the person accidentally steps into the parcel and one that only activates if the person actually enters the house? That would provide an interesting statistic
That would complicate things more than I'd like, because I'd have to detect when someone's inside the house without being able to drop a script into it.
I'm going, though, to log arrival and departure times, which I think will tell me pretty much the same thing (unless someone stays in the garden admiring the koi carp swimming round my fishpond).
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As an experiment, I think I'll set up a vistor logger, leave it running in my house on Bellisseria for a month and see how many people actually enter the parcel while I'm not there.
I'll post the results here.
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24 minutes ago, Tasia Mercury said:
Abnor Mole would you want to spend your day monitoring your space just so you can waste tons of time on a task that can just be automated? So you would sit at your home all day telling people they can or can not enter?
Do residents of Bellisseria really find themselves constantly disturbed by hoards of unwanted visitors wandering onto their parcels?
I don't think I've ever had to tell anyone they can or can't enter my parcel on Coin Toss, one of the regions near the Newbrooke community centre. Most of the time, I seem to be the only person on the region.
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2 hours ago, Phil Deakins said:
My strong opinion is that the rules should at least allow temporary bans that don't exceed a certain amount of time, say 10 or 15 minutes. I do think that not allowing something like that is a disservice to Bellisseria tenants.
I'm sorry, Phil, but I just don't get it.
If I'm on my parcel on Bellisseria with my security device turned on, and nevertheless someone keeps on trying to enter the parcel, despite being repeatedly thrown out, I can use the parcel tools to teleport them home and add them to the parcel ban list (neither of which, under the covenant, I can have a scripted object do for me). So can any of my friends I've added to the land group and given appropriate rights, I think.
If I'm not on the parcel and I leave the device running, it'll keep on bouncing the intruder out of the parcel but, since I'm not there to worry about it, and won't even know about it, how is it a disservice to me that the security gadget can't ban them automatically?
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3 minutes ago, Qie Niangao said:
The LSL already visibly works on the Rumpus Room sandboxes. The constants for SLPPF are
- PRIM_GLTF_BASE_COLOR,
- PRIM_GLTF_NORMAL,
- PRIM_GLTF_METALLIC_ROUGHNESS, and
- PRIM_GLTF_EMISSIVE
any time you want to play with it. The problem is, any use of this (like an applier) will completely obsolete the current baking service. I mean, it's not as if we can see through glTF materials to the alpha-masked BoM diffusemap on the very same surface.
Somebody must have thought this through and surely it's common knowledge in the Content Creator User Group. I'm just trying to find out whatever they all must already know.
I don't follow (probably because I don't know enough about BoM). As far as I know, the GLTF_* slots are completely separate from any other texture slots.
Certainly in my experiments with simple prims, if I apply both GLTF render materials and regular Blinn-Phong ones (ie the non-GLTF textures and materials we currently use) to the same face of an object, my alt, who uses a non-PBR viewer, sees the Blinn-Phong ones, and I see the GLTF materials because I use the PRB viewer.
If I apply the PBR materials to an untextured cube, my alt continues to see the base plywood.
Changes to one set of material layers (colour/roughness/whatver) seem to have no effect on the other group.
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2 hours ago, Zalificent Corvinus said:
They will of course create some lsl commands before finally releasing PBR, so it will simply be along the lines of :
llSetPBRAmbientMap [uuid of bom bake]
llSetPBRNormalMap [uuid of normal map]
llSetPBRRoughnesMap [uuid of roughness map]
llSetPBRMetalnessMap [uuid of metalness map]
Don't get hung up on silly musings on how they incorporate bom bakes into those gltf imagemap 4 pack things, applier style script code is here to stay
I think we alreday have that, in the form of the new PRIM_RENDER_MATERIAL and the various PRIM_GLTF_* flags for the llSet/GetPrimitiveParams family.
See also llSet/GetRenderMaterials
(ETA Qie posted while I was writing).
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2 hours ago, Rowan Amore said:
What's with that AO? There is no control so I don't see a lot of males wanting to stand there in a feminine hands behind your head pose. The walk seems more masculine though.
There are two AOs, one for Blake and one for Jamie. Jamie has the female animations. Which one are you looking at? (I've not examined them in any detail, so I don't know if Blake has a hands behind your head pose).
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On 7/31/2023 at 5:07 PM, Phil Deakins said:
if(llListFindList(lstWhite, [(string)agent])==-1){ // not in the white list
warn_and_ban(agent);I think this is the first place I'd start to look for the error. On the face of it, it's difficult to see how this could be the problem area, but LSL doesn't always see things in the same way I do, and Occam's Razor suggests that the reason the script is behaving as described is that, for some reason, it can't find agent in lstWhite.
Anyway, I would start my debugging by having it chat out something like
"Index of "+(string)agent+" in "+llList2CSV(lstWhite)+" is "+(string)llListFindList(lWhite),[(string)agent]));
just to be sure that lstWhite contains what you think it does.
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2 hours ago, Coffee Pancake said:
Mobile will live or die based on how the experience pans out , which honestly, is very much in question.
How much SL is anyone going to get done on a lunch/poop break?
How does SL work with intermittent glances while busy or commuting or at a job?
Mobile will help keep people engaged with SL, though, I think.
I'm remembering when, ten years ago, I had to spend a lot of time in and out of hospital, and I found myself using that Android app that was available at the time (Lumiya?) a great deal. I wasn't doing much exploring or clubbing with it, but I was using it to keep up with friends, or just to distract myself watching group chats, and often making arrangements to meet up and do stuff after I got out of hospital/home from outpatient treatment.
So while I can't see myself doing much in SL during a lunch break or while I'm commuting, I certainly see myself logging in, chatting, and making plans to see friends and do stuff on my PC when I get home.
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As an antidote, I can strongly recommend Gay, Bejeweled, Nazi Bikers of Gor.
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Not sure how breakfast is a pet peeve, but my usual breakfast is a cup of hot chocolate to get me started (an idea I stole from the French) and then, after a shower, a couple of freshly cooked frozen croissants and a couple of cups of freshly ground black coffee.
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So who won that car?
in General Discussion Forum
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I remembered there was some discussion in this forum at the time about the privacy implications of the sweepstake, and once I'd recalled that, it did't take long to find the thread and a link to the rules.
For what it's worth, it seems to me that if the winner wanted to publicise their good fortune inside SL, they could easily have started a thread here about "Whoopee! I Won the Car!