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  1. 1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

    Well lets see, should we trust the ones who were researching viral gain of function  with giving us the cure for what the result was? Appropriate perhaps if they could be trusted but seriously it begs the question as to who brought it on who.

    The two would be carried out by different groups of people according to individual expertise; the mechanisms of a virus and developing a vaccine are two different things. 

  2. On 6/19/2021 at 3:32 PM, Sam1 Bellisserian said:

    Why do we drive on parkways and park on driveways?

    In the days when cars were novel and very slow there were roads that lead through parks; they were for taking a seated "stroll" through the park. As cars became more common and faster, the traffic became heavier and these existing purpose-built roads morphed into today's highways.

    Bill Bryson's "Made in America" described how many American English terms came into use and hopefully I'm remembering correctly. 🙂

  3. On 6/21/2021 at 3:00 PM, Arielle Popstar said:

    It's an interesting article but it does say itself that "the virus spike proteins (which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines)". As I understand it the vaccines contain or codes for fragments of the spike protein, not the whole spike protein. That makes a difference. 

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  4. 2 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:

    Interesting that there is no mention of Ivermectin in that paper. The omission is conspicuous.

    "Physicians and patients around the world are currently discussing the potential value of many other drug and treatment options, but the evidence for most remains thin and often anecdotal, so many have not progressed to major national or international treatment trials."

    References an article on Ivermectin. 

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  5. 1 hour ago, Arielle Popstar said:

    I love when they use weasel words so they don't paint themselves into a corner though in this case a little stronger then most when they say: "aren't likely to be beneficial".

    It means there is inadequate evidence to support it as a treatment but it can't be categorically ruled out as ineffective. There's nothing weasel-worded about it; small clinical trials are not going to give you yes/no answers. You were asking for long-term studies on the vaccines; that is what would be required to be determined if ivermectin could adequately treat Covid-19. That it is cleared for use as anti-parasitic drug is not going to make it effective against a virus or mean that it is safe when taken at substantially larger doses. It comes with its own adverse reactions; people are harmed or even die when it is routinely used. 

    When something is touted as a cheap and near miraculous cure it's wise to determine the motives of those originally touting it. Like a number of other existing drugs, ivermectin was being tried out of desperation in treating Covid=19, not because it was known to be effective. The evidence that initially supported its use was retracted; the company was more intent on selling access to its database & algorithms than accurate results, i.e., making money. You provided a link to a list of dubious medicines; some were genuinely believed useful at the time based on limited information and understanding of how they worked and there is a fair chance of ivermectin for Covid-19 joining a future list. 

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  6. 13 hours ago, Chris Nova said:

    How does everyone feel about kids getting vaccinated? Theres reports globally of children developing myocarditis and pericarditis. Basically, heart problems. My concern is there isnt any long term data on the negative effects the vaccine will have in kids. 

    As far as I can see the cases are rare, too few to determine whether there is a correlation between them & the vaccine or whether it is just the usual low rate. 

  7. On 5/9/2021 at 9:39 PM, Arielle Popstar said:

    I'm not dissing science per se, just your version of the science. Semmelweis did the science and discovered how to not kill so many mothers and their babies, but it was the mainstream doctors with their ego's and political agendas that refused to accept it. Not much has changed has it? The difference is that now we know even the patients accepted the mainstreams guidance through their own ignorance and those who put their trust in that wrong guidance and refused to question whether it was correct. 

    If mainstream science is that close minded then perhaps we need to challenge it with Planck's Principle that posits Science only progresses at the funerals of the old guard. We pay for that close mindedness with our lives.

    Most novel ideas are going to be wrong; being novel is not good reason to assume they are right. Occasionally there are ideas that are significantly out of step and turn out to be right but they are few & far between.

    Since microbes were not known to exist then, Semmelweiss could offer no explanations for why his idea could work; to many he was saying it was incompetence on the doctor's part that was killing patients. He was able to persuade enough trainee doctors (who wouldn't yet have had their own patients) that it slowly became established practice and was later explained with Pasteur's work.

    Planck's Principle is about axiomatic change, not the advancement of science generally; which size droplets the Covid virus primarily spreads via is not axiomatic, just determining the exact mechanism. How accurate facts are is dependent on how much is known about the subject; that knowledge increases with each change needing to be repeatedly confirmed. Change can be slow because of the need for such confirmation. 

  8. On 5/8/2021 at 6:34 PM, Profaitchikenz Haiku said:

    They weren't initially facts, and it's interesting to note that the respiratory droplets idea was one that was proven to be patently false back in the great London Cholera epidemics of the 1840-60s, when the idea of a miasma spreading the disease was finally put to rest by some dedicated research. I suspect the memory of that coloured some thinking when it was once again proposed that droplets were responsible for the spread.

     

    The miasma theory was that "bad air" spread diseases, not that respiratory droplets. 

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