Thex Lecker

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Molay/57/183/21 Here's a great parcel in Molay priced to move before my tier date hits. You get a spacious 9184 sqm and 2102 prims with 80 meters of shorline on the Linden Ocean. L$99900. Cheapest waterfront parcel per sqm around for miles! Come get it.

If it were estate land, I'd tell you to: 1. Login with Phoenix. 2. Click the name of the shouting object in local chat to see its owner. 3. Turn off scripts in the region. 4. Do a return all for objects by that owner in the region. 5. Wait 5 minutes for the object return to effect. 6. Turn scripts back on and enjoy a grief-free day. But it sounds like its mainland, in which case, do steps 1 and 2, then mute the resident whose name you find, then turn on show transparent and search until you find the objects. Then AR them. If the objects are actually on your land (more likely just outside it) you could teleport up to 4000 meters where they won't lag you (say 'gth 4000' in local chat, but see step #1 first) and use about land to return objects that aren't yours. No object can mess with the land settings the way you describe. Possibly lag induced by the chat spam prevents your client from accurately displaying about land settings.

Ceera Murakami wrote: Seriously, for the time and effort spent, any minimum-wage real-world job in any nation suficiently developed to have Internet access will pay you better profits for the time spend then you are lilkey to earn in SL in the land market. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying, or a fool. I make more than minimum wage in the SL land market (and in Michigan the minimum wage is $7.40 an hour). Since I'm not a liar, I guess I'm a fool! :matte-motes-wink-tongue:

First, thanks to Cerebrix for a great post. Believe me, smart landlords are definitely thinking about the points you've raised. Let me put in my two cents on them. As for the stale sales, its really tough to keep ads extremely current. On my estate, I have a bot that runs around every day making notecards, as well as an automated web page that is current to within about four hours. But land can be purchased at any moment, and good land goes fast. So when you land in someone's swimming pool (oops!) remember that it may have only come out of the rez box minutes earlier. LL doesn't help the situation because the search engine seems to be pretty slow updating, and the yellow 'for sale' spots on the map often take over 24 hours to show up, by which time they're often sold. To your second point, I agree that serious sellers ought to get back to you if the ball was left in their court. Many times I want to send an IM asking something like "Hi, were you still thinking of that land we looked at last night?" But I stop myself because it seems too pushy or spammy. I try not to sell, but rather give the potential tenant the info they need and let them decide. Maybe the folks you dealt with were waiting on you to make the call. In any case, good luck with your continued search. There are plenty of good land providers out there, I'm sure you'll find one.

In Answer to number 1, In Second Life, buying and renting really are the same thing. :matte-motes-smitten: There is no L$2999 'total forever', since even on the mainland a monthly fee must be paid to your landlord, Governor Linden. If you quit paying the Governor, your land will be taken away. At least on (most) estate land, one doesn't pay an upfront fee to acquire the lease, as one does on mainland. I do agree with you that search could be improved, because search can always be improved, but using the 'new' search web page search.secondlife.com you can already choose to search for mainland or estate land when you search for land like it was in v1. To number 2, it does work that way. I own both estate regions and mainland parcels and the accounting is entirely seperate.

FJ that's big news if it works, and should have a blog post rather than just a forum reply.

See Strife's useful snippet here http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Llavataronsittarget which iterates thru the linkset to see who's on what prim.

Torley Linden wrote: And, if anyone knows a Resident-run private estate that explicitly restricts skyboxes for aesthetic and aviation reasons, out of my own personal curiosity (as I'm an explorer), let me know the SLurl. Most private estates do, in fact. Most covenants say no boxes below "N" meters. Mine, for example, allows no skybox builds below 300m, which allows a nice free flight area between 50m and 300m. Since the SL clouds are around 270m, you usually can't see skyboxes from the ground.

Hetty Harlequin wrote: W're having some serious issues re. sky tping above 100m and the prim counts on sub parcels seems screwed (same no of prims used for all subdivided parcels regardless of size or whats on them) so I'm contacting a concierge to help with that cos we've spent hours trawling KB and...cant find answers. You're probably looking at the Simulator Primitives line rather than the Parcel primitives line, if all the parcels are group owned by a group on the same sim, you'l indeed see 15,000 prims available on all of them, because you can use your prim pool on any parcel you own. Look where it says "primitives parcel supports" on the objects tab of the about land window for accurate info.

Quit using the main grid as a g-d beta! How about YOU test it before you inflict it on us? I've had one region down all day, can't be restarted by you during middle of rolling restart, and YAY another one follows right on the heels. I want all my regions out of your beta channels.

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As Dogboat said, it's all rented. If you stop paying estate tier, the estate owner will eventually reclaim the land, and if you quit paying tier to LL they'll reclaim your mainland. The distinction between buy vs. rent is a little more valid on mainland parcels where land is sold without recourse, whereas on estate land, parcels are sold with recourse to reclaim if tier is not paid. I very rarely (only once) have seen situations where estates are set up like mainland rentals and you don't get full rights by buying the land, but rather join a group to get limited rights. The categories in this forum are fine. We don't need two subcategories for estate land.

The new owner will of course pay the new standard $125/month tier.

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That's complete nonsense. People use direct object buy, either original, copy, or contents, all the time. You don't need a script.