Derek Torvalar

Perhaps it is because your best is insufficient. People do not look kindly on being 'edumacated' by those who demonstrate their incompetence so blatantly.

MissDeeMeanur wrote: ChinRey wrote (Edit: I'm tempted to post a link to another forum here just to see what would happen. One of the ways to define those unknown limits is of course to test them out and that link would definitely be testing. It wouldn't be a valid test though. Whether they admit it or not, the moderators know they've gone to far. So they're treading on eggshells at the moment and may well accept posts they would normally have rejected for a while.) I am confidently expecting this thread to be moved to the Forums Feedback section (when Kirstin discovers it) as it would represent fair and valid commentary in a relevant location. Not that relevance of location seems to be something that deters those posting here rather than in ANSWERS. I am not so sure. I am reminded of Lasky's satirical thread entitled "I lost my Breadable" that was moved to the Tech forum.

ChinRey wrote: Derek Torvalar wrote: Tis the insidious nature of POOP. This is off on a tangent, Derek, but what does Perl Object-Oriented Persistence have to do with this forum? I always assumed it was written in php. Then again, if it really is perl code, that would explain a few things currently discussed in another thread. LOL Persecutory Oppressive Optimism and Positivity Used to be referred to as Disneyfication here a few years ago when that policy came to the fore. Now it is applicable on a more widespread basis throughout Society in general, SJW for example who are the new White Knights. POOP is what got that thread whacked.

Pamela Galli wrote: Here is my concern: This forum is now the only place where both new And committed members of SL can find significant moderated support, news, information, and in depth discussion of SL. Much of this is critically important to decisions I make about my business, which I depend on to support my family. Yet I have the impression that LL does not value the forum as the valuable support and information asset it is. Yes, I very much value effective moderation, which is why I report violations several times a day, usually acted upon. I want to do my part to enable and encourage the moderators to identify spam, for example -- and I wish there was some way to block all the Land forums spam* or at least individual posters. It is difficult to wade through all the land advertisements and employment postings. Please, LL, recognize the importance of the forums to those seeking information, insights, and support from them. Wasn't this at the heart of the issue that Void was referring to Pam. The recognition by the Lab that its customers are providing a free service for them? And that in the end, the Lab cares not.

MissDeeMeanur wrote: ChinRey wrote: Kristin Linden wrote: We encourage you to review the Community Guidelines Done! As far as I can see, there's nothing there that can explain why the thread that triggered this discussion was removed. Did you miss this bit, ChinRey? Under the section heading "We moderate at our discretion" it says "the actions taken (or not taken) by Linden Lab and our moderators are at our sole discretion, and we may act without warning or explanation." Which effectively means that there is little point in users observing any of the Community Standards, Guidelines or even the Terms of Service, because LL does not have to satisfy its own professed principal goal of "treating others with respect". Dee Monstrably I stand corrected, it is explicitly stated. It boggles the mind that, as I was discussing inworld with Laurin of Sorbet, that some are are still unclear on all this or pretending to be bewildered by it. This has been going on for years.

ChinRey wrote: Kristin Linden wrote: We encourage you to review the Community Guidelines Done! As far as I can see, there's nothing there that can explain why the thread that triggered this discussion was removed. One of the posts in the thread should probably have been removed because of offensive language and another post - one of mine- should probably have been removed too, not because of what I wrote myself but because I quoted and replied to that offensive language post. But that's really not enough reason to remove the entire thread. The main problem however is that none of the participants in the discussion have been given any kind of explanation why. Add to that the other seemingly arbitary post removals that have been mentioned through this discussion and the result is that at the moment nobody can be really sure what is allowed and what isn't allowed in the forums. A forum like this can only work properly if the participants have reason to trust the moderators' judegement and right now, with no explanations whatsoever, I can't see that we have that. Chin, the answer won't be in the ToS or the CG. It is here, "or was simply not appropriate for discussion on the forums", quoted from Kristin. That is the only justification they need. As I pointed out in my post on the previous page, if the thread is deemed to be flame bait they will delete it. If it is deemed to be overtly or overly contentious they will delete it. No explanations, no warnings. Go to the Forum Feedback and look at the long thread there. This was all discussed with Aveolae or whatever her name is. https://community.secondlife.com/t5/Forums-Feedback/Clean-up-the-Forums/td-p/2898500

Hmm let me see... Watergate? No, that won't work already been done. Golden Gate? No, too confusing. From Russia with Love? Too unwieldy and copyright issues. Hmm, maybe something will come to me in the shower.

MissDeeMeanur wrote: Derek Torvalar wrote: MissDeeMeanur wrote: Derek Torvalar wrote: Pamela Galli wrote: Kristin, is there a reason the entire thread gets pulled rather than offending posts? Recently we were having a quite insightful discussion about why some are attracted to SL instantly and some never -- in response to someone saying how bad SL was. I was sorry that whole interesting discussion poofed. Because Pam, thre were too many instances of where the thread violated the holy ToS and CG. Rather than remove 5 or 6 posts it would be far easier to whack the whole thread as it, let me see if I can remember the phrase, hmm no I can't precisely but it goes along the lines of the thread being flame bait and having no redeeming value or possibility of returning to civil discourse. It would be more work than it was worth to save, constantly having to come back to it and whack posts. So, poof. Tis the insidious nature of POOP. And when Lindens act as Moderators (as appears to be increasingly the case - a change of business model, or just a New Year hire/job reassignment?) they tend to forget (or CBA about) the promises made by previous Community Managers that posters affected will be notified that their posts have been deleted with the specific, if usually ingenuous, reasons why. Transparency and open communication require effort. No one like to clean the windows. And complacency sets in and everything seems wonderful when the pictures painted on the glass are 'sooooooooooo amazing and wonderful!'. I think the original phrase was "transparent and empowered". Meaningless PR schlock of course. Precisely. Ahh the myth of empowerment. Gives one a warm and fuzzy feeling doesn't it? (Like the one you get before freezing to death in the snow)

MissDeeMeanur wrote: Derek Torvalar wrote: Pamela Galli wrote: Kristin, is there a reason the entire thread gets pulled rather than offending posts? Recently we were having a quite insightful discussion about why some are attracted to SL instantly and some never -- in response to someone saying how bad SL was. I was sorry that whole interesting discussion poofed. Because Pam, thre were too many instances of where the thread violated the holy ToS and CG. Rather than remove 5 or 6 posts it would be far easier to whack the whole thread as it, let me see if I can remember the phrase, hmm no I can't precisely but it goes along the lines of the thread being flame bait and having no redeeming value or possibility of returning to civil discourse. It would be more work than it was worth to save, constantly having to come back to it and whack posts. So, poof. Tis the insidious nature of POOP. And when Lindens act as Moderators (as appears to be increasingly the case - a change of business model, or just a New Year hire/job reassignment?) they tend to forget (or CBA about) the promises made by previous Community Managers that posters affected will be notified that their posts have been deleted with the specific, if usually ingenuous, reasons why. Transparency and open communication require effort. No one likes to clean the windows. And complacency sets in and everything seems wonderful when the pictures painted on the glass are 'sooooooooooo amazing and wonderful!'.

Pamela Galli wrote: Kristin, is there a reason the entire thread gets pulled rather than offending posts? Recently we were having a quite insightful discussion about why some are attracted to SL instantly and some never -- in response to someone saying how bad SL was. I was sorry that whole interesting discussion poofed. Because Pam, thre were too many instances of where the thread violated the holy ToS and CG. Rather than remove 5 or 6 posts it would be far easier to whack the whole thread as it, let me see if I can remember the phrase, hmm no I can't precisely but it goes along the lines of the thread being flame bait and having no redeeming value or possibility of returning to civil discourse. It would be more work than it was worth to save, constantly having to come back to it and whack posts. So, poof. Tis the insidious nature of POOP.

ChinRey wrote: Pamela Galli wrote: That's what makes it all the more egregious that when an interesting one does arise, it disappears. Well, with no response from a moderator here we just have to assume there was nothing objectonable in the posts and the thread vanished either because of a technical glitch or because the OP asked to have it removed. That means we can all repeat our views next time an occasion arises and maybe even say it better. Except Qie - his post was so spot on it can't be said better. Already tried that once before. The second time mine was removed I did finally get an explanation but it was absurd. So I inserted the offending OP into a larger thread where it remains buried to this day.

Threads get deleted when there is obvious reference to; i) moderation practises eg freedom of speech, or ii) the exercise of POOP becomes glaringly obvious so as not to be able to dismiss it as harmless, eg "If you don't like it get the f*&^ ou!", or iii) the agents of POOP have succeeded in having the offending ideas suppressed. I wouldn't expect a response to your query but that is just my experience, so take that fwiw. You shouldn't want to attract too much attention to yourself.

Ya I mean the ingrattitude. Guy tries to take his wife without asking anything in return. Never look a gift horse in the mouth. Let him have her and be happy at your good fortune.

ChadUnfroyd wrote: Theresa Tennyson wrote: Radium Soup wrote: ParisEugene wrote: Maybe he was only faking it, he said at a party that he could see that some ip (Internet Protocol) were double. Is it possible that he was hacking us? He was 3 day old, did not rezz for anyone at the party. I reported him to Linden Labs. I will change my password (just in case). I'm curious to know the category under which you reported this person, simply because I don't recall any category titled "Revealing Public Information". And for everyone else wondering why their (sometimes) less frivolous reports are generally ignored, this guy multiplied by 1000 is likely the reason why. Disclosure Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Life experience. Sharing personal information about your fellow Residents without their consent -- including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, alternate account names, and real-world location beyond what is provided by them in their Resident profile -- is not allowed. Remotely monitoring conversations in Second Life, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without the participants' consent are all prohibited. How about if you make up a pack of lies about someone. But some of them are actually true? What if you speculate about someone based on a promotional photo released by the Lab?

Theresa Tennyson wrote: Derek Torvalar wrote: Never underestimate the power of frivolity. Or the durability of narcissism. Sounds like eternal Love to me. That can't be a bad thing.

ChadUnfroyd wrote: Coffee ice cream with a little Pedro Ximenez dessert wine dribbled over it. Just desserts?

Never underestimate the power of frivolity.

Rhonda Huntress wrote: So ... there will be a set and limited amount of dollars put in world. No other way to get dollars except to buy tose already in world. Every transaction has a tiny amount drained as transfer fees. And this is intended to be sustainable? Aparently. Though even with PG there to translate and elucidate what it is Ebbe is saying it doesn't seem to be viable in its current state. Tweaking needed indeed. LOL ETA Is the "cut" a % or a flat rate per transaction?

Rhonda Huntress wrote: TH: So, you’re taking the opposite approach to YouTube, which focused on opening a platform up to consumers and then focusing on bringing quality creators to the platform later? You’re focused on attracting creators first and consumers later? EA: Yeah, I think that's fair. I'mnot sure how the exchange is going to pan out. From what it sounds like, you can only buy from other users and the initial amount of curency will only be sold to the initially invited creators Surely I am rteading that wrong.. No no, you are correct. It's clear as mud. Ebbe: he business model is still being tweaked, but in broad strokes, yes. It's an exchange where someone can convert FIAT currency to the Sansars. We’re hosting the exchange, but the exchange is between users. So, users buy and sell Sansars between themselves. We're not the central bank in that sense; we’re basically just facilitating the exchange between users. eg: approx500-600 creators are allowed to buy approx 20,000 Sansars each to trade amongst themselves. When public admitted person 601 et al purchases Sansars from the "exchange" of those creators willing to sell some of their Sansars. You then buy creator's stuff giving them back their Sansars. Is that right? wtfk Oh wait, maybe we can creae our own Sansars. If you know Maya and blender or whatever. What do you make Sansars out of/with?

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sansar-video-footage-monetization-system,33300.html

LinuxGod4u wrote: 32 GB RAM guy: show us a pic of that baaaad machine-windozzzze system info with your SL id sign beside it. "Be careful what you ask for...you may get it" I'd love to see just how fassst your pc is in *SL "cat got your tongue??" LOL FACT over Fiction You have long ago reached the limit of your ability to offer anything worthy of response. A non-entity.

LinuxGod4u wrote: 32 GB RAM guy: I do not hate you, but I do pity you. You can continue on with cowardly comments about my mom, etc you will not get that response you desire to get in this Forum. I am going to be here a long time. As for Rhonda the "lady" has the right to voice her opinions. See you soon a SL sim. ~~~ Fact over Fiction rofllll I already got what I wanted from you, don't you see that? Your pity is something unpleasant I occasionally have to scrape off the bottom of my shoe.

Rhonda Huntress wrote: Aww, get a room already. If he had one there wouldn't be enough space in it for anyone else.

LinuxGod4u wrote: 32GB RAM guy: laughing my *censored* off at your stupidity peratining to pc component advice : Might check out my SL budget screamer post...instead of all those online geek forums Fact over Fiction FYI a pic of my build along with a sign with my SL id beside it coming soon Nobody cares.