nikita Jefferson

You are probably right Phil, it probably is a coincidence but even now i remain very good in singularity search, i prefer that viewer. My " and outs "( bots) have slowed to almost non since banning them, i get the odd trickle. That being said my shop is 3000 ft up and the sim landing point is set there, i saw a notice from my island security system, one of the bots i had banned was ejected from my track which is 2000 ft up, so i checked the main security box on the island, seems 3 other banned bots were ejected from the land area ,so even tho they are banned with the sim land ban they can by pass the set landing point and land anywhere it seems. yesterday I just happened to be at the shop landing point, my radar sent me a message he (a Bot) had entered the sim, my mysti hud listed the avy and and the greeter sent a greeting message,i was a couple meters from the landing point and no one was there, this one stayed about 15 seconds and left but was invisible.Banned that one yesterday and that was the one that was ejected today from my racing track by the land security today

Thanks for the traffic info, as i was saying before, i watched my traffic every day and my position in search went up and down according to the more or less in traffic calculation,so traffic did affect my search position, if traffic was low i dropped in search, if it was higher i went up I have banned 12 of those in and out bots and i have'nt seen any for a few days, but one thing that is very odd, and it might just be a coincident but since i banned the bots my search position had gone up and is locked and does not move, i use singularity and searching skins i am 2 down from another skin shop that has always been locked in first place. As i said it might be a coincidence but since banning those bots i have noticed a change in search behaviour for the good

i guess if there are hundreds of these bots there is nt much point banning them, at least they don't count to my land visitor count, i have a counter up and they do not affect that because they come and go so quick. That over 3000 count is over time, the way i see traffic should work, it should be cumulative, if it is for example 100 and 10 avys show up and maybe only 2 stay the alloted time for an avy to be counted towards traffic then the next update should be 102., but it does not work that way. I could go inworld, check my traffic and it could be 300 odd, then my search position goes down accordingly, tomorrow the count could be 90 and my search will follow that number accordingly. It does not matter how long an avy stays even if it is the alloted time to affect traffic counts, it does not. I use the singularity viewer and traffic does not show in search, but it does in the SL and firstorm searches, so if people judge the popularity of a shop in their decision to visit a shop then my low traffic count goes against me

Thanks for the links, i went over there, seems a lot are having the same problem and no one knows what they are

Also i do not know if they affect traffic or not or if they have some effect on it,using singularity search i was alway locked on page one about 4 from top. A little while ago i started moving up and down in search depending on my traffic. I have over 3000 visitors but traffic goes from the highest of 700 odd down to 71 and up and down in varing numbers in that range I have no idea if they have a negative affect on traffic, but my search position is at the mercy of traffic

They are not real avatars,they are bots,its not like we are naming real people, these bots are a nuisance and LL will not do anything about it so we have to protect ourselves No one knows the purpose of them, maybe they are harmless but i pay for my sim, i allow people to come shop, i did not ok some idiot who created bots to do some whatever , the person obviously has some purpose in mind Also others on these posts have named these bots

I sat and waited for one to show, all i saw was a slight puff of white smoke, very faint then it was gone, lasted about one second

I have been having the same problem for a while,i just started to investingate it, i thought at first avys were being ejected from my shop landing point, so i sent messages to them asking if they were ejected or left by choice, i got no answer back so i started investigating them when i saw then come and go As some have said they all have a 2009 birth year, i have started banning them from the sim, hopefully that works They come and go so fast my shop greeter visitor list does not pick them up, but i have a visitor list maker on a prim and that senses them so can check that and see who came while i was'nt online 'maybe we should start a list so everyone can start banning them these eare mine so far Natalia Loxely Selena Dimitriaski Riley Zeitman Selena Elton Selena Zalivstok Brenden Zalivstok Brenden Kaventipovic

In all case the profiles are bare and all 2009, they don't have time to make a conscious decision to leave, they seem to be programmed to arrive and leave instantly, and they do not answer messages even though it says they are online. There is some purpose for what they do, but as they come and i see them leave the instant they arrive i am banning them, maybe after i ban them all someone will ask why. Yes there could be a million reason why, but that is why i am asking if anyone has had the same experience

I have a large shop 3000ft up and we live down on the island, i have the singularity viewer so i am notified when anyone enters and leaves the sim. I am on briefly in the morning and a couple of hours at night. For a long time we have noticed avys teleporting in and out instantly. I did'nt give it to much thought at first but i began wondering what was going on, so i sent messages to the avys who teleported in and out instantly asking them if they were ejected by the sim or did they teleport out themselves, i was beginning to think they were being ejected by the sim. Not one answered my message , i checked their profiles, all were 2009 profiles, bare no info or picture. My shop greeter records visitors to my shop but they come and go so fast it does not pick them up but i have a visitor list maker on a prim and that does pick them up, i always wondered why the visitors on the prim visitor maker was always much higher than the shop greeter visitor list. Has anyone any idea who these "phantom " avys are, i watched when one landed all i saw was a faint puff of smoke and they were gone

Well obviously it goes without saying i am talking about my RL morning and afternoon (eastern),, SL time is Califoria time which is 3 hours behind eastern, but my SL time is set to eastern And what you call a reason for traffic flip flopping all over does not make sense at all. I could boost traffic all i wanted, which is impossible to do unless one does as you say or uses bots which is against the TOS, but that would not bring traffic up, i have 3000 plus on my counter but my traffic meanders from under 100 to under 1000 it stays mostly under the 500s, so boosting traffic would do nothing, if traffic was consistant and accumulative then what you say would make sense. That is my whole arguement, no matter how many come to my shop it is not reflected in traffic Actually i am in a good position in search, i use singularity and searching skins i am on page 1, which is ok, its just this going up and down in search due to erratic traffic calculations by google is annoying Anyway as i said i was just venting because nothing can be done to make traffic cumlative and not up and down like roller coater,which is mostly down and far from reflective of the amount of people who come to my shop. As i said i use singularity but if i remember right firestorm and the SL viewer list traffic in search, so if they see my shop and see a traffic of 125, what would one obviously think, " oh that place is'nt very popular" and by pass it. Now that i think of it, consistant traffic is important if people are using a viewer that list traffic in search, i did'nt think of that untill now because my search does not list traffic. A real traffic of over 3000 and listed (search) traffic of 200, 300 odd and so on is not right if LL is going to show traffic in some viewers searches

By consistant, i mean if traffic is lets say 500 in the morning then on the afternoon crawl it should carry on from that 500, not go to a loss. If no avys come to the shop in the morning then the afternoon traffic should still be 500. I have tracked my traffic and search twice a day, it is predictable,, traffic drops. search position drops, traffic goes up 400 or 500 traffic goes up, as i said i look at traffic first and from that i can guess with 99% accuracy what will happen to me in search. I realize there are many factors that search takes into account, but why traffic can be 1000 odd in the afternoon and next morning down to 300, that i don't call consistant ,, a slowly rising traffic depending how long avys stay in the shop should be consistant, if 10 came and left in 10 seconds they would not count to traffic, but if 10 came and stayed the desired amount of time search uses to calculate traffic ,then that should be reflected in the number. All that being said, i have a counter where avys land at my shop, it is over 3000. i have a full sim ( homestead) my boost is 0 I have seen my traffic go down to 64 , then a couple days later over 1000, then down to 600 and so on, it makes no sense at all I don't know what you mean by "How would you make traffic consistent with gaming the numbers?" i thought "gaming" traffic was done with bots, that i don't do My shop is there,people come and depending on the search criteria traffic should stay the same or slowly rise depending how long an avy stays in the shop

I know, i know another traffic post, i just wish when google (if it is still google) does a crawl,it does so consistently, how traffic can be up and down like a roller coaster i do not underrstand and would not care except it moves me up and down in search I look at traffic in the morning and if it is down from the previous afternoon, i know in the afternoon my position in search will drop, if it is up in the morning, then i am up in search in the afternoon. I now check traffic first in the morning to see if i will be up or down in search position in the afternoon. Just venting i guess because i know LL does not care, but traffic should be consistant and not have a 1000 number swing from one day to the next.as i said i could care less but it affects my search position

Thanks Wolfen, i have'nt seen her yet, should be soon, if she is still having probs. i will suggest that to her

Ok MBeatrix, i 'll see her later today and will find out then

MNeatrix, my parter has the same problem today, exactly as you wrote.Her main avy can't get in but her alt can. She got in with the SL viewer after a long wait, but cannot get in with singularity, which is our viewer of choice. It's not a viewer problem because i use singularity too and i get in with no problem I don't know if location is a factor, she lives in the UK,i live in Canada

While LL held our stuff to ransom unless we agreed to the TOS changes, i have many items i have purchased since 2007, in that time i have had things disappear from my inventory and never returned, thats ok but my creations, skins, clothes etc which i sell are all backed up on my computer, and also on Kitely MP and Virtual highway, so an inventory loss for me in SL is'nt a big deal

Thanks for the reply Parrish. Nothing has changed in the shop for a while now, i was on the first page of search ( singularity ) as i said, then about 3 weeks or so my sim and others who posted here dropped out of search for a few days, popped back in for a day then out again, and its since then my search position has degraded. I think i have a boost checker in my invent i'll look for it It.s just so annoying when you work your way up in search over time and get to a good position only to have SL to bugger up and bump me back, and of course visitors have dropped accordingly along with sales. I just checked search this morning, still on page 3 and traffic is down to 64 which is just silly, it should be in the thousands.

Does anyone have a clue how inworld search works, it seems to me to be a ridiculously screwed up system. For the longest tine i was on page 1 with singularity under skin search. Then SL buggered up and i disappeared from search,then after i put a ticket in i appeared back in search.but its left me in worse Off, with a corresponding drop in business There seems to be no ryme or reason to it, i keep getting bumped back, it's never consistent,twice a day it is updated and each time the position changes, now i'm bumped back again to page 3. I won't get into traffic, thats another joke, i should be showing thousands but it shows a couple of hundred and those numbers go up and down, i'm not sure if search position is related to traffic but there seems to be a correlation I know people have complained about this crap about SL search but it is so agrivating and cost sales

How is your position in search now?, i am worse off since we dropped out, i was in a very good position before, now i'm worse off and it does'nt seem to be advancing day by day, and of course a correlating drop in visitors I find traffic numbers totally silly .i use singularity and its does'nt show that number in search, but firestorm does, i looked at firestorm to see where i was with that search, and i am in a worse position than singularity. As for what i was saying about traffic, it shows 216 in firestorm search, as does my "about land" the actual visitors should be at least 2000, i wish they would make that calculation better, i think they use what time an avy spends in a sim in calculation, so if someone comes in looks at hair and buys one and leaves, and they did 'nt stay the required time for traffic calculation that visitors counts as a 0. I don't know if me and my partner are calculated in traffic, but we are there every day for hours and i have had the island for more than 216 days. I am sure many people look at 216 and decide to pass because it looks like no one goes there or its not popular. I don't game traffic but i can understand why people do, can't depend on LL to have a decent traffic calulation that reflects actual visitors to a sim, and if google ( if search is still using google) uses traffic in its calculation for search position then that works against us

Hi Amanda Are we the only ones having this problem, i don't see anyone else complaining. Its 8am (eastern) and i am in search this morning , fingers crossed all will be ok, i ll add to my ticket , i have been adding bits and pieces at a time because when they go to check i will probably be in and they will think i am imagining it ,so i just keep adding when in and not in

i appeared back in search at 5.52PM (eastern) after being out all day

Same with me, i put in a ticket and was in search yesterday but not there again today, i seem to drop out in the morning and reappear in the afternoon (eastern time for me) I reopened my case again too, seems we are experiencing the same thing And of course sales have dropped like a bomb, thanks LL

Is your sim missing in search in the morning and showing up in the afternoon? Two days now for me like that. Thanks for the ticket info, not being premium i wasn.t sure the best way. I will see if its off in the morning again and if so i will file a ticket Edit I did file a ticket ,i imagine it will be the same tomorrow

Exact same thing happened today as did yesterday, i dropped out of search in the morning and reappeared in the afternoon. Same place in search as yesterday which is worse than when this started. I hope this is 'nt going to be a daily thing,, out of search half the day, plays hell with someone running a business