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  1. Dead ... Dying . a few Newbies . bots and some survivors Let's face it: Total Residents:43,176,215 | Residents online:37,907 just now it means that 0.088% are online from the number of people who have tried to be part of a community, since the beginning.. difficult to keep a community rising or up with a such massive come and go and so few people which stay. individuals relationship can still be nice, great, but very rare, because we are alone in a large empty world, with may be 20% of abandonned land, and places which disappear so fast we can't even have the time to meet people there. ok, my view is partial, because I'm here mostly for the adult part of the grid since the splitting in moderate, adult,etc.. but for me, SL is no more today than individuals looking deseperatly to meet others, to be part of groups, to join community, to act, build, make something, to take part in chat, to live. But they often just see 2 peoples chatting with IM, dead live chats, they become member of, to say, a 6000's members group but only see 3 or 5 of them online, and so on. Life is gone, and with it, the communities spirits.
  2. Thanks a lot for both of you, and Cerise for the nice answer which work as a dream . For my first attempt to use the official viewer on a PC, I was surprised to see that bug, after years on Mac, without any keyboard problem. :matte-motes-wink-tongue: Sad to see that Secondlife didn't fix it, but hopefully answers come from the users ;-) oh, on windows seven, secondlife main folder with the keys.xml hide himself in uers/ "YourUserName"/appdata/roaming/ and the Appdata folder is hidden by default by Windows, you have to search for it and uncheck in his property the hidden option. edit: sorry, a mistake, keys are inside the application folder, as said by Cerise Thanks again Cerise.
  3. despite your nice way of advertising on that topic, and it's ok, I wish you success, no,I can't afford it. yes, Rl is worse sometime. (9,95 $ is 8 day of food for me, just to say, and i live with euros, in the second most rich european country) Yes, we can ... LOL Just to say, I was renting a 1024 parcels, at 100 l$ a week, with 200 prims... You are cheap, but make an effort ;-) LOL The other thing is the way to pay : it's an other topic, but, yes, I WOULD have PAY if it have been more easy for européan customers WITHOUT a CB...(a card...) And, how many are we in this case ??? I just stay in Sl, after more than 4 years, because I can have a home.. I'm not for communism, I'm not for capitalism, I'm in a game, remember, a virtual Life, so I try to make my point in it, that's all. You do the same, and thanks for your answer. I will not ruin your bizness, first because you're not too expensive, then, because I'm not here to ruin it, but to support it ! Believe me, it was AFTER the trilegy free house that I have rented my house, at 100 a eek. But I will not have rented it, NEVER, if I had not experienced FIRST how it is cool to have a home.. I'm honnest, Prokofy, that's my truth. Squatters will not kill your business, according to the way I think the rules can be. More and more lands become empty, and, as in RL, when there are too many lands to sold, prices goes down. simple... Only a few people want to buy a shop in a desert... If a squat have no right, but make traffic, even if the squatters buy for 200 l$ in the shops around, that's 200 l$ . It's better than 0 No ?
  4. you say " I specifically wanted a LInden Home without neighbors, and unfortunately have neighbors who started sending me IMs immediately after I landed at my Linden Home! " come with me squatting, you will NOT have neighbors... LOL To ask for no neighbors seem strange for me, as we are in a virtual world, WITH neighbors.. And we are here to meet people, no ? But if you want to be alone, may be an open grid could be a better place to live for you .. China Yuheng made again some good points, because SL is Dying because people like you are happy only when it's empty all around their lands. That's not a community, that's not SL !!! For the Lagg : did you know that all abandonned lands run on different servers ??? these servers can't handle a lot of traffic, and they can't make lagg on your land... Did you know that a 8000 prims avatar will give you more lagg, if in your land, than a 12000 prims squatted land, near your land ??? a 80 prims Avis with 6000Ko scripts running in you land will do worse, it will just almost kill the server, LOL.. SO I don't understand you : It have never been said that suatters have to squatt your land, and it's impossible to give you lagg if they are nearby, on abandonned sl land... oh, the OP (thank the one who explain me what it mean) is a girl, just to mention it ;-) Oh, you don't have to pay for stranger, or squatter, never ! The cost in BandWidth to have a home is nothing, according to a nice blinking outfit, full of AO, with some arrousal toys who travel in your land... But if Sl die, and it will come from a lack of people, I hope you will remember me, as someone who have tried to help SL, in an economical way. Did you check how many people who came at your land are "No payment registered" ???? check it, and look at the numbers... But may be you just have a house in SL, these kind of suburbs which have been done, if it's your home, you're very unlucky, because they are always empty. When I got home in trilegy, off course, some neighbors Im me. some were boring, and some become friends.. It is called a community... May be you just want to be alone in your mainland parcel ? ONCE again, squatter don't take ressources in you paid land and don't give you lagg. If you have a lagg meter in your parcel, and if there is an abandonned land nearby (99 % of chance) I'm ok to show you what I say... Really, If I go public in this thread, it's because I really think it is a way for SL and LL to attract more traffic. and to live better, economically.. It's not a 6 months thinking, your signature say "Buy it now! Sold everywhere." you can buy it, but if there is no customer , you will lost everything... And, I'm sorry, but your answer to China Yuheng is out of topic.. -->"I do not want people just popping in who are not paying, to be able to hang around and rezz prims." People on Sl are playing, with, or without land. some already rezz prims, LET'S FACE IT. So my proposals are to make some rules for it. You have NEVER been asked to pay for squatter, and you WILL never be asked to.. It's not your problem, It's SL problem, And what cost the most in BW is an AVis with scripted clothes, and scripts, because the Sl system have to render it, and send every parameters in RL time, to each people connected to the parcel. That's the truth, ask some Linden people... -->" I have no interest in supporting an online virtual world that would take my money and give it to others to use for *their* hobby*. I am not here to subsidized some random stranger's SL activity. So , fight for a subscriber's only sl world... If you win on that, SL will be dead in less than 6 months... Regards
  5. @China Yuheng Thanks you very much for your opinion . Second Life is great if there are people inside. I really believe that having a way for a free house make people stay in Sl. I don't ask it for all, but you made an absolute point : living in a desert is boring, and make paying people to get out of SL. It's also why Trilegy was a nice thing, and why I ask in my proposals to have a group dedicated to the community and support. I think a lot of rented parcels in quite empty land, with no traffic at all, could benefit from 3 or 5 new residents, even if they are squatters. (I will pay you a visit, because I love Japanese style house ;-) @ Ariel Vuissent "To the OP: I do not support your idea, but I do respect that you have put thought into it. I don't think official squatting will ever take off. Good luck pitching it, though." Thanks . I suppose the OP is me ? (what does OP mean ; i'm also Born to Learn, lol ?) @Others : if we could stay on general topic, it will give it a chance to exist, thanks. My proposals have been buried with a lot of personnal dispute, so I put them again: "Proposals" (I hope it is english ?) Please, I know there is mostly owners here, but review it, and comments on the weak and good points (if any ;-) ) of these lines. The goal is to help Linden Lab, paying residents, and business. (LL is Linden Labs) What Land and what privileges: 1 - Not all abandonned lands are concerned. Linden Labs decide of them, as they wish. They can sold these parcels or land at any moment (7 days notice, see below) 2-The numbers of prims available for each squatter is decided by LL (I suggest 400, which is far better than paid land, but which is balanced by a lot of bad aspects. 3- No stream of any kind is possible on these parcels 4- No voices is possible on these parcels. 5- No selling, shops, advertising, pets growings is possible on these parcels. 6- the servers remain the old ones, this is a take it or leave it option How does it work: - A group is created . It will be for announcement for available parcels, cleaning days, and for people who want to squat, as it will be their passport to build in authorized parcels by LL - Linden Labs put the parcels as "build only by the members "of that group. This group is the relay of LL : When LL decide that a parcel could be available for squat, they labelled it "group only", and send the slurl to the group. - This group is runned by volunteers, they will only have a list of the parcels from LL and are here to do the cleaning job, and police to make sure that every members get the same eqals sum of prims. - This group have no right at all, only LL decide when and how this experience will start, end or stay If LL decide that a parcel is no more available, the group and members agree on it as a Tos of that group - an abandonned land can be sold at any moment, so squatters can lost their house at any moment, a "7 days before " notice will been sent in this group. People can be banned of the group, for no respect of the rules. (prims, advertising, pets growing, etc) After 3 months, they can re-enter the group. A second ban is for life. Cleaning , rezzing, prims: basically, according to LL number of prims available for each squatter, the size of the parcel is divided by that number of prims. - Members of the group can rezz as a "first to rezz, first to have" as soon as prims are available after the cleaning date. -Having a house before doen't give any rights, all rights are erased on the cleaning days. And , anyway, you don't have any right , except to keep your place until the cleaning day, or until LL decide to sold the land.. - members need to take out their commercials objects, as no responsability for failure in auto-return can exist. - Everyone is asked to rezz balls in their toys, as they count in the prims limits. A prim counter is available in the parcel to help squatter to follow the community rules ( it could be an option as it could give lagg, and the goal is to have residents which are responsible) - basically, each parcel is cleaned on a time base, decided by Linden Labs. To avoid servers stress, and for easier management for the free admins of the groups, parcels will not be cleaned at the same day. Admins of the group can not have more sqm, or prims than others members. it's obvious, but it is better when it is said ;-) Community -a second group is created, a chat group, only for squatters to share knowledge, and to help each others. This one is for community purpose. You need to be part of the first one to get acces to this one (is it possible ??) may be it also not good, as this second group could be use for land's owner to advertise for renting place. so ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I may have forgot a lot. and it is just some ideas of what it could be. But, really, give my your opinion. This is not to replace paid land. This is not to kill your business. This is just to bring more people to stay in Sl...
  6. Please, see my proposals at the bottom, with a bold title . here some answers first. @Amethyst: --> "why should someone receive for free what the rest of us pay for?" Because there is a difference betwen what he receive and what you pay for. See at the bottom of this post. -->"I don't buy your argument that if you got free land you'd spend money in stores. Your mindset is to get free stuff. People that expect free land are not people that will pay for houses and furniture. They will go to freebie stores, or get there things through hunts or giveaways" How can you be so sure of this ? I had bought furnitures only because I had a place to rezz them . I didn't bought houses,castles,etc, because they were often to big for the rezzing area, most of them are for people who own a full land, not a 1024 parcel. And if you look at the prices, you'll see that they are very cheap, I'm not sure builders get a life from them. But, it's buildings that also give Second life this particular and nice. This will not change even if my idea is adopted, because there will be a prim limit. But for furnitures, yes, it will change a lot. -->"If you don't want to pay for private land, use a free sandbox. Put your home in a rez box and just rez it out in a sandbox when you want to play house." Certainly not !!! Sandbox are killed by people doing what you say. Sandbox are not for free living, but for builders. ! And more and more people live in Sandbox, unfortunately, because there is not another option, who offer a rezzing option. I spent many time in Sandbox, since several years. (Born is my second avs) . All the big ones are dead, or so. -->"If you pay $10,000L for furniture that you lose when you are caught squatting, which could be anytime after you set it out. If you have money to throw away this way, then you can pay to rent land. " I was not "caught", the land was unified and sold, so it was cleaned. I lost objects du to assets and auto return problems, and I also have lost object the days of cleaning in Trilegy, as most people have. It didn't happen all the time, in fact it should never happen :mantongue: In Trilegy, after the first lost, I had a way to prevent this: Unrezz paid objects before the cleaning day .:manvery-happy: 10 000 is about 3 years of earnings. In how many weeks shouls it goes away, with a 400 prims lands ? I have rent a parcel for almost a year, because the owner was a very kind girl giving a price under the market but I spent all my days in Sl or to earn just to pay the small rent. -->"Small parcels inside of large ones DO NOT prevent land from being sold. The other land can always be divided into lots around the small parcel, or the Lindens can join the parcels anytime they want to. Smaller parcels are in higher demand than mega parcels." read again my posts, I don't speak for 512 parcels, I speak for 4 sqm parcels, in the middle of land. I speak for 2 meters large "trenches" which go for 100 meters. I speak for really small parcells which are a way to speculate. I fly around a lot, (which is one of the best feature in Sl, to fly around) I saw there everywhere, and : NO, Linden Lab have no way for now to get these parcels. They don't belong to them, they are in the TOS, so here is the problem. A group have been made to buy theses real small parcel (for ex, 2X2 m in my old squat,3 prims) whith support for Linden Lab : It didn't succeed -->"And the biggest argument against your idea is that if you are squatting you are using server resources that should be available to the people who pay tier. Doing this at best contributes to lag, at worst it prevents paying customers from having their possesions function propertly. You are not only robbing LL, but your neighbors." I use server ressources every time I fly around, with a free account. Prims use a little storage, but they use bandwith and server ressources when they are seen by a viewer. Only when they are seen. I'm not robbing my neighbors, because abandonned land are almost never on the same server. They are put on old servers with old servers versions, I get warning every time I travel from abandonned parcels to rented parcels.. So you will not have lagg , because of me, even if I have a place near your's.. Oh: I had NEVER HAD a prim on someone else property, it's a basic rule of fair use. I'm ok that I take bandwith from SL, but, as soon as I am Inworld, I use bandwith !!! so, in an abandonned land, I don't use more than if I was on a LL sandbox, rezzing à 5000 prims fully furnished manor. And just to say: If I go to my place, instead of flying around, I use less bandwith, because of the cache. ;-) -->"If I find squatters on any land I own or manage, I return it all and ban the items owner from the land" I agree with you on this !!! I have always say and ask people to never use a private land, because the owner pay for the prims, and it's expensive, and not fair use. I have sometime ask owners of empty lands If I could use it , the answer was always no, and I understand it very well. I don't want to explain the "good" way to squat here, it's not my goal, and my post is not for it . I know that squatters are every where, as I said, I fly around a lot, and I see a lot of things, it's why may be a policy for it could help But believe me. I'm for the property's respect. ------------------------ @Melita magic -->"you state that not everyone should be allowed to legally squat on abandoned land - just a few. Including, no doubt, yourself? " No, Melita, in fact I will lost a lot if Linden Lab agree on that proposal. Because it would set up rules I have no prims limits, no size limits if I found a good one. I now restraint myself to use too much, because it's also a hard building job, to make full a 14000 prims abandonned land :matte-motes-silly: with a 512 sqm/123 prims build able rezzing place.... Believe me ! ;-) It was my first one, so I would not do the same, as it was also wasting time , except may be for particular reason: to make a dead place still alive. For exemple, one of the best place in Sl have died this week : Lost Gardens of Apollo. I sure would be happy to spent 2 or 3 weeks to rebuild it in an abandonned place, even if it will not stay for long, just to not let that place disappear for ever in ether. But this place would be neither the same as it was with paid land. And, if Linden decide to make a squatting option, I would never being able to build it . here is why: _______________________________________________ as some of you have asked or are concerned with my idea, here is some "Proposals" (I hope it is english ?) Please, I know there is mostly owners here, but review it, and comments on the weak and good points (if any ;-) ) of these lines. The goal is to help Linden Lab, paying residents, and business. (LL is Linden Labs) What Land and what privileges: 1 - Not all abandonned lands are concerned. Linden Labs decide of them, as they wish. They can sold these parcels or land at any moment (7 days notice, see below) 2-The numbers of prims available for each squatter is decided by LL (I suggest 400, which is far better than paid land, but which is balanced by a lot of bad aspects. 3- No stream of any kind is possible on these parcels 4- No voices is possible on these parcels. 5- No selling, shops, advertising, pets growings is possible on these parcels. 6- the servers remain the old ones, this is a take it or leave it option How does it work: - A group is created . It will be for announcement for available parcels, cleaning days, and for people who want to squat, as it will be their passport to build in authorized parcels by LL - Linden Labs put the parcels as "build only by the members "of that group. This group is the relay of LL : When LL decide that a parcel could be available for squat, they labelled it "group only", and send the slurl to the group. - This group is runned by volunteers, they will only have a list of the parcels from LL and are here to do the cleaning job, and police to make sure that every members get the same eqals sum of prims. - This group have no right at all, only LL decide when and how this experience will start, end or stay If LL decide that a parcel is no more available, the group and members agree on it as a Tos of that group - an abandonned land can be sold at any moment, so squatters can lost their house at any moment, a "7 days before " notice will been sent in this group. People can be banned of the group, for no respect of the rules. (prims, advertising, pets growing, etc) After 3 months, they can re-enter the group. A second ban is for life. Cleaning , rezzing, prims: basically, according to LL number of prims available for each squatter, the size of the parcel is divided by that number of prims. - Members of the group can rezz as a "first to rezz, first to have" as soon as prims are available after the cleaning date. -Having a house before doen't give any rights, all rights are erased on the cleaning days. And , anyway, you don't have any right , except to keep your place until the cleaning day, or until LL decide to sold the land.. - members need to take out their commercials objects, as no responsability for failure in auto-return can exist. - Everyone is asked to rezz balls in their toys, as they count in the prims limits. A prim counter is available in the parcel to help squatter to follow the community rules ( it could be an option as it could give lagg, and the goal is to have residents which are responsible) - basically, each parcel is cleaned on a time base, decided by Linden Labs. To avoid servers stress, and for easier management for the free admins of the groups, parcels will not be cleaned at the same day. Admins of the group can not have more sqm, or prims than others members. it's obvious, but it is better when it is said ;-) Community -a second group is created, a chat group, only for squatters to share knowledge, and to help each others. This one is for community purpose. You need to be part of the first one to get acces to this one (is it possible ??) may be it also not good, as this second group could be use for land's owner to advertise for renting place. so ... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I may have forgot a lot. and it is just some ideas of what it could be. But, really, give my your opinion. This is not to replace paid land. This is not to kill your business. This is just to bring more people to stay in Sl...
  7. may be I don't understand every comments, but it seem that you all agree, in differents manners. - if an 'official' squatter , with no right at all, don't have music or videos,it's a pity for him/her, so it will lead him/her to buy a land. -but he/her have the way to build. In fact, I'm just asking for this temporary right, the rezz ability. This will make the difference between a free member, who just can buy clothes, and a free member which will be interested in building. And stay at home, in SL. Last thing, for people who think I have made this thread for me.. No, it's wrong, I have already a new squat. with a part rezzing enable... all belonging to Lindens labs. I start this thread for the people, not for me.! I have a lot to loose in going public It's the people inside the virtual world who build SL. Not the parcels renters or sellers.
  8. @nefertiti :--> "If you get good at building - which you can do without owning land by using sandboxes - you can sell things on the marketplace and make enough money to rent land." You make a very good point... Why and when did I begin to build ?: The day I had a house for free in trilegy. Because I wanted for the first time to build it, following a 200 prims rules, etc., because I had a place too put it on the ground ! Before that, even the free houses I get were useless.. Try to live in a sandbox... I'm not asking a squatting option for me, I'm asking it to help SL, to Help olds or new users, to get more people to stay in SL, and to give a push to the builders in SL.. for you and all : I talk to much, so for details, discussions, etc, IM me in SL..
  9. "LL can take those tiny parcels whenever it wants to ... squatters are not needed." I'm really not sure , I just took an exemple on my last post, of a land , empty and fragmented since 2007, which is no more on Governor list, but abandonned,on a Linden name, and not to sold. Everything around, except 1 parcel , is abandonned under governor property since 1 year, 6 months, etc., This mean that these lands have been sold, then abandonned again. A big empty parcel, fragmented , is inside. It means no traffic. Is it the reason ? And is it because there is empty small empty property inside that this big fragmented parcel can't be sold ??? I believe it. I believe that speculation on lands have made Linden Labs unable to unify it, for this case. I really hope that limited squats on only some places can help LL in these situations, with strong rules, and not all privileges. And bring more traffic, more customers (yes, even the free account buy, because they work on sl !) Linden lab have a lot of troubles not with squatters, but with people who try to cut down the price of lands, by owning a small sqm inside, or making long trenches around, etc.. You can look in the blogs here, it's not a news. I'm really sure that some Linden's staff who deal with abandonned lands would/could understand what I mean. And squatters could help LL, the question is : How ? I don't have the answer. It's not easy , of course, as it is not giving the right to squat everywhere, far from it.. Regards
  10. First, thanks everyone for your answers. as english is not my native language, it's sometime difficult to explain, and I don't want to argument in vain. I understand your replies, this will be certainly my last answer, but I can't leave without being sure that you had really understand what could be that option. - I don't want ALL abandonned land to be squatted, of course, but only the one's Linden Labs can't sell. For exemple, a fragmented land which is abandonned, and belong to a Linden, and not the governor, since 2007. 11800 prims . an empty space, surrounded by a lot of abandonned more recently parcels. Are the new abandonned parcels related to a lack of traffic ? I don't know, but the question can be asked. - you may not have tried to get a Land in trilegy, and it's difficult to explain, but the fact it that it was very difficult to get one, but it made me having my first house and it made me after that renting a house for a year, just because i had experimented what it is to be at home, and because I had full privileges on it( music, video, etc). It took me 4 years to get a free house, and only 8 months in it to decide to rent one. Am I alone in that case ? So, I don't think the argument which say "everyone who pay for a land will go to squat" is OK. It is really wrong. But If you have not live it, I understand that you may be afraid of this, as you all pay for your land. Again, just have in mind that it is not all abandonned land, it's only the ones which are impossible to sold for Linden Labs. -I was wrong when talking about squatting in RL and wanting SL to give us the same thing : Homeless should have been a better translation. Not all homeless are given a solution in Rl, only a few, the ones who fight for it, who really want it. May be the same could exist in SL. It was a bad explanation from me, it still is , ;-) sorry . -Of course, I know that Linden Lab live first from renting and selling lands. It is Why I made this proposal, because some abandonned parcels are preventing LL to sold the surrounding parcels. A lot of people speculate on the back of LL, to get down the price of mainland, by making them unsoldable. May be my squatting option could help LL in these cases. Sorry to have been that long, I will try to shut my big mouth . Thanks for viewing and sharing your ideas and thinkings.
  11. Peggy, when you say "You don't give away or loan products that you are intending to sell or rent to produce income for your company. " LL give for free an access and some clothes, and without this and the freebies, how many resident will not have come and stay ? and after that only, take an account or buy things... ? The free gift for new people is a good way of advertising, for company who sold clothes and others. the "midnight mania" or others things are just the same. Again, I don't want squatting "Rights", I suggest a squatting option. This could be a good way to keep some residents in world. I may be naive. But what does it cost too just give it a try ??? I really believe it will bring more benefits for SL and LL than it will cost. because, you also need to remember that every people who give up and leave Second life COST for life: all their inventory, account, remain on the servers. how many millions of people, since the beginning ? LL need to find a way to make people stay, and stay for hours. A squatting option could be a way to keep some old users, for the benefit of everyone.
  12. Ok, I may be don't understand anything in Sl. Just remember how Sl have evolve, since the beginning. At first, they were god, and removed what didn't please them (gambling) then they removed a part of the adult way, making it a Zindra mature thing, a guetto But , never , they think about the real thing, which is living in a virtual world. I'm sorry, but in RL, squat exists.. They don't want it in VWorld. They accept everything else, it's easier to shoot down an avatar, with a full of bloody textures, than to live for free Because you pay for it... And , after a while, this become boring: I mean , Sl is a great world, but just because the people have done it a great world ! They have never been paid, and all their creation belong to LL, which is against any moral copyright in the world... We don't ask for it. I just ask LL to give us the same rights as in RL... I don't want fight. I don't want that squatters have the same right as renters... I just want an opportunity for people to have a free land, with any of the condition LL will decide.
  13. @chelsea malibu An abandonned land cost to LL.... You alreday pay for it, in fact, you pay for empty lands near your's Ok, with some prims, the server have some more bandwith to give. But, 2000 prims are less heavy that one avatar with a 8OO prims on her and 4800 K of scripts...;-) Every abandonned land is set to a low profile server, so , people don't have the same service. And, Btw, your money is for what ? to sell things, right ? whdo you prefer that I spent my money to own a 125 prims boring house on a 512, or do you prefer that I Use that money to bought that fancy dress you have designed ????????????????? Answer with your heart ;-)
  14. @jeanneAnne you make a very good point , and i hope LL will read it. You're absolutely right, a lot of users don't pay, and don't want to have land... But this is killing the whole Sl... It's just because you use Sl as I used it, 2 years ago may be, that is why Sl have still A 2% progress, after à 4 % lost... or the oppositen to be optimist I mean, SL is dying, not in numbers, but in traffic, in their economical way of thinking : they just try to stop hemoragy. They get 110 peoples in, for 108 people out... I'm pleased with the first economy report in One year and 6 months. But they obviously can do more This is not the succes that Sl universe desserve ! I would be glad to show you why having a place is really cool, and make the difference. But I can't : at least another exemple when you have no place to build. If I go public today, it's just because I want an option to be said, to be put on stage. I really don't care if LL will regard it, or not, because I'm sure that they will not give a dimme about it. I've already tried it with privete message. But, I would have say it ;-) ANd I really think that trilegy have made more for Sl, than any others sims, just allowing us to stay in Sl, because one day, you will understand that meeting is good, but not all, because Sl is all about being able to imagine your future
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