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Ebbe, if you seriously don't want any third parties in the new platform, then I suggest you ask them to help you build it. I'm serious. I use Firestorm for so many years already, and actually 90% of all my friends do, I would not know anymore what features are not in the sl viewer that I am now so used to in Firestorm. From reading the previous posts here, rlv would not be in the sl viewer, which is something I am stupified about. One of the posts in this thread mentions the Opencollar group having 90,000 members, and it operates on rlv, so that should tell you something. I cannot imagine building anything without the copy past abilities in rotation, size and positions, like mentioned in one the previous posts. And the 'restore to last position' ability in inventory made my second life so much easier, it saves hours of time rerezzing and repositioning stuff. And I love the inbuilt radar system, the possibility to get a message when someone enters region or chat range, etc. And the auto response, yes, I cannot use busy since it rejects notecards sent, which I need to receive for my business, so auto response really is a big help for me. If you want any of the Firestorm users to be enthousiastic about the new platform, it will have to have the current Firestorm features to begin with. I hope users of other tpv's will respond to your message as well.

Richardus Raymaker wrote: one of the important things is to keep land cheap, and normal priced. cannot say that from SL now. This!

Hatusuhari wrote: My question is what about the THINGS people have bought. Why start on a new server when we have to buy new things, when they can just imporve sl. Can we send out invenrtory to the new 2,0 sl? Some of this has been answered here: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/Linden-Lab-is-building-a-NEW-virtual-world/m-p/2758334#M185698 You're welcome.

SkyeRyder Varriale wrote: I want to add that whenever news like this is revealed there are tons of "Yaktivists" who do nothing but complain about how the sky is falling. It's human nature to assume the worse but let's wait and see what happens before we jump to conclusions. I have expressed my main concerns in a previous post here, but I am willing to wait and see before I make any decisions. Overall, SL has to improve technically at some point. It's the way they decide to do it that will make or break them. I'm with you on this. It also makes a huge different when and how to announce changes. The announcement should have been a formal one, sent to all residents same time, with vital information on what can be transferred etc. Just posting somewhere there will be a new sl and lots will change and lots of content may not be useful anymore, that's asking for trouble. There is one post now from Ebbe that makes things a bit more clear: http://community.secondlife.com/t5/General-Discussion-Forum/Linden-Lab-is-building-a-NEW-virtual-world/m-p/2758334#M185698 But still a lot of questions remain unanswered and worst case scenario it may lead to people leaving sl, or at best not buying or building anymore, which will have an effect on sl economy. So the sooner more detailed information can be given in a formal message to all residents, the better.

We are all entitled to our opinion, so you are entitled to yours. Having said that: SL was created once as a virtual world for adults only. A separate teen grid was created, anyone younger than the age of 18 was simply not allowed on the main grid. It's quite a normal thing in an adult world - without minors being around - that people will start seksual activities. It's what people do in rl too when the kids are not around. What we like to do for a seksual activity is indeed only the business of the consenting adults involved, so why would you want it gone when nobody can force you to consent to being a part of it? In sl it is happening on some private land or the adult mainland only, since the teen grid has merged with the main grid and the concept of 'adult' content was introduced. I seriously think SL needs to get back to its original concept, being a world for adults only. If they want 15 year old computer nerds to play their game, then yes, they will have to create a new world for those. And yes, it will have to be more like WoW to make it work. But the concept of SL was not meant to be like WoW. So what if the younger generation goes to WoW now, they will come to SL in a few years, when they are tired of all the fighting and killing online, and they want to have an adult relationship online to relax with likeminded adults.

WickedWanda1956 wrote: The problem with that course of action is if there are more young people like my daughter and not like us. My daughter is CONSTANTLY on World of Warcraft and she tells me that people there are forever making fun and laughing at all of us, Second Lifers. I can't even repeat some of the jokes they have said in WoW about us. Her feeling is that people of her generation (25-35) are more into games like WoW then what the "old" people (like me) are into. Actually if someone can give me a counter arguement to her I would appreciate it. No, I cannot give you a counter arguement, as a matter a fact, I hear same thing: most young people are not interested at all in Second Life, as SL seems to have an image problem: an online game for 'old people', and especially for 'oldies' who come online for seksual activities. I bet the comments you cannot repeat are about the bdsm lifestylers among us. Mom whipping dad's ass online, that's not happening in World of Warcraft. They 'only' kill each other there. I would not be surprised if the new brave world they are planning on will erase all 'adult' content in the process as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if your comment aims to the heart of the matter. They may want a younger audience for SL V2 who is more interested in a new high tech world, and not the oldies who were with SL V1 from the start, investing all their time, creativity, energy and money. 'Thanks for being with us and making us what we are today, we need new blood now, no worries though, we will erase you gently.' SL V1 will likely become a ghetto for 40+ residents (yay us). SL V2 will likely be a high tech disneylike playground for the young and the technical (yay future..).

Phil Deakins wrote: The thing is, you buy things you want to have pleasure from right now. You don't buy things as an investment for the distant future. If you can't get enough pleasure from the tiny amounts of RL money that things cost, then stop buying now. SL is a pleasurable passtime/hobby. If you think of it as such, because that's exactly what it is, you'll see that the tiny amounts of money that items cost are an extremely small price to pay for the pleasurable hobby/passtime. I wholeheartedly disagree. You buy something, no matter what the costs, it's yours. You create something, the copyright is yours. You build a community or a business over many years, investing in buying or renting expensive land - I do think the price and tier of land is ridiculous in sl - that's not just a few dollars or euros, that thousands of dollars or euros over the years. And we will not be able to move it to the new 'platform'? Do they seriously expect us to rebuild our own creations all over again? I own 16 galleries in sl with thousands of artworks from many artists. Do they really think I'm going to upload all images again and frame them again in their brave new world? What about groups, can they be 'transferred' or will we lose all our customers in the process as well? Yay, we can make a new start... sorry, won't go there, and I know many will not. I think SL may seriously have to reconsider their plans. They may have shot themselves in the foot big time with this. People will stop buying already now, in world and sl marketplace both, untill they know what they can keep or transfer. Every sl business will suffer from this and LL will suffer the most, financially.

MBeatrix wrote: I don't know what is going to happen, but I know that with a few words Mr. Altberg may have shot to death an economy that took years to be built and thrive. Agree! MBeatrix wrote: I will try to keep doing in SL what I've always done in my two and an half years in it, but I won't be buying any more products that may or may not be portable to the new platform. I agree, but they won't tell us - yet - what products maybe portable to the new platform. MBeatrix wrote: We may lose part of our assets, but that's ok, it's only virtual goods. What the Lab will be losing isn't something virtual, though — I do believe they will start losing quite some real money. I do mind losing virtual goods, I payed for them, and don't tell me they were cheap, some really were not! And losing my own creations is something that they cannot ever repay me for. MBeatrix wrote: About moving to some other platform and start all over again... Well, just not for me — if I ever intended to do that, I'd already had moved to any other existing grid. Same here, but that means we also don't have to worry on what products can be moved to the new platform. It simply means we will be held hostage in old sl and eventually it will close down. Does anyone still really believe it will not?

Yay, they are not going to destroy our virtual lifes we built on for so many years. Yet. They are only going to make us feel like dinosaurs in an ancient world to be extinct some time in near future. I'm so excited...

It seems they are now working on it. http://status.secondlifegrid.net/2014/05/19/post2274/

yeah, I'm in, but I can't reach my own galleries

true

Is the whole grid down? I don't think so, I'm in world

Is the whole grid down? I don't think so, I'm in world

Thanks, I already tried to login to a gallery of a friend, and it worked. My own sim is totally offline. It was offline two days ago as well, it took a while then to get it back. Map in world tells me a lot of sims are offline at the moment, so it probably will take longer time now.

Thanks, I already tried to login to a gallery of a friend, and it worked. My own sim is totally offline. It was offline two days ago as well, it took a while then to get it back. Map in world tells me a lot of sims are offline at the moment, so it probably will take longer time now.

oh? gonna try that...

oh? gonna try that...

Thank you! I was wondering, because often I can login even when my sim is down, but now I can not login with any viewer or any alt, all getting the same message about being unable to connect to a simulator. I hope they can fix it fast.

Thank you! I was wondering, because often I can login even when my sim is down, but now I can not login with any viewer or any alt, all getting the same message about being unable to connect to a simulator. I hope they can fix it fast.

Do you know if this is also related to the message that one can not login and getting the message 'unable to connect to a simulator'?

Do you know if this is also related to the message that one can not login and getting the message 'unable to connect to a simulator'?

Login failed. Unable to connect to simulator. That's the message I am getting at the moment, so I can't login, not sure that is what you are referring to.

Login failed. Unable to connect to simulator. That's the message I am getting at the moment, so I can't login, not sure that is what you are referring to.