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  1. I am well, thank you.  Travelling a bit more than I care to for work these days, but otherwise, getting on well.  

    Of course, I was making an observation, not an accusation.  It was, as per usual, an interesting read, with interesting discussion/feedback.  I did pop into another thread related to the signatures obtained for a change.org initiative-an open letter to LL, if I recall correctly.  I see that doom, despair, and life is not fair, are still hot topics :) What are we without our miseries? :P 

    Indeed, you recall correctly...I have very strong views on these things as well.  Unfortunately, with our current US administration, I have focused my passions elsewhere.  But, still, I applaud your efforts to keep "consent" a primary focus for all.  

    I'm not around much, but I did want to claim a new Linden home, I suppose it is not necessary to tell you how unsuccessful that endeavor has been...and I wanted to find out if Tilia was actually taking over my entire financial future or if the reactions were premature-Premature won. 

    I hope to take a staycation in the coming days.  I look forward to engaging...almost like old times ;)

    Be well!

    Edited to add...I thought I had quoted your text....but alas, nay. 

     

     

  2. So basically what you have is a list of 3,000 individuals that either did not read the TOS at all, or read it without comprehension.   The TOS explicitly states that if you do not agree with any part of it (and it does include that they are not your partners nor are you guaranteed an income from your use of the service), that you should not accept the TOS, and you will not be granted access to the service-perhaps that is why the anonymous nature of the post.   

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  3. Venus Petrov wrote:

    Haha!  Ima, I don't know who or what you're talking about. :matte-motes-big-grin-wink:

    P.S. I cannot seem to get to your link on your sig line.  Have you dumped your blog?

    Ha!

     

    I think the link was to my old forum, which I did eventually dump.  My poor neglected blog is still there. 

     

  4. In the old days, the RL discussions did present opportunities for people to demand acknowledgement of their rights to speak freely but at the same time scream pleas to have their sensitivities protected from the opinions of others...failure to comply brought about the grim RIC'er. There was a great deal of comedy gold derived in those days.  After a while though, it became a bore reading pretty much the same person claim they were mauled by a rabid schitzophrenic gun toting imaginary clown named Sybil. If you had the audacity to call BS on such tales of woe, you got the verbal beat down from the crowd that chooses to believe that everyone tells the truth when posting on the interwebs and to espouse disbelief of their story was synonmous with full blown discrimination and the belittling of womans issues. Ultimately it was determined your disbelief supported a rape culture and that you were almost solely responsible for the decline and fall of western civilization.  It was a much better boring than the current boring though.  It is more exciting these days to read the responses to PG's four star ratings on the marketplace reviews.

    I sure miss the old days :)

     

     

     


  5. Derek Torvalar wrote:


    Caitlin Tobias wrote:

    Are you trolling me, Derek?

    Me? Nooo!

    I am just an interested bystander.

    Ok, well maybe a little.

    ;-)

    Hey stranger!  It appears I missed all of the fun, again!

    BTW, how did OBR go this year?  Seems I missed it too.  Twerk our way to awareness?

     


  6. Caitlin Tobias wrote:


    Ima Rang wrote:


    Caitlin Tobias wrote:


    LlazarusLlong wrote:

    As many may have realised (you too, probably, Caity)
    I am also unwilling to post in these forums with my main,

    I did indeed and I totally understand. The current, and past years, environment here in this forum, created the opposite of   a safe place for people expressing themselves.

    An opinion is considered trolling...a joke is seen as griefing and moderators seem to be  afraid of :  #jesuis.....

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Troll! ;P

    GRIEFER!

    Why I NEVAH!!! 


  7. Caitlin Tobias wrote:


    LlazarusLlong wrote:

    As many may have realised (you too, probably, Caity)
    I am also unwilling to post in these forums with my main,

    I did indeed and I totally understand. The current, and past years, environment here in this forum, created the opposite of   a safe place for people expressing themselves.

    An opinion is considered trolling...a joke is seen as griefing and moderators seem to be  afraid of :  #jesuis.....

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Troll! ;P


  8. ZyklonBee wrote:

    It was always a risk, Ive used this handle for about 3 years now. Never caused a problem.. But in retrospec I should of make it something alittle less risky.. But without the risk there really is no pay off. Im glad some of you understand the underlaying meaning
    :)

    What is the underlying meaning?  To be disrespectful?  Sadism?  Masochism?  What?  It is a digusting name and I can't imagine why you would "risk" such an offense.


  9. Ebbe Linden wrote:


    Teager wrote:

    Ebbe,

    While catching up on the last 10 or so pages of posts which happened last night, I've noticed a lot of you saying, in essence, "SL1 won't change; if you don't like it, don't switch." I can understand the reason behind that response. I, too, am getting tired of reading dozens of rude comments by the same handful of naysayers. But, speaking as one of many content creators whose full real life income is earned from Second Life, this response isn't helping to build my confidence. Any way you look at it, the launch of SL2 will divide our user base between two virtual worlds. (Possibly four, depending on launch dates of High Fidelity and the Facebook virtual world project.)

    I believe all that I, and several other creators in this thread, want to convey to you and the SL2 dev team is that we need as much backwards compatibility as we can possibly get between the two grids... because, for us,
    not
    switching is not an option. If we don't move forward to the new grid, we divide our income in half. Even when we do switch, we as creators will be slowed by having to format our products for two different worlds. We won't be able to put out items as quickly as we could. My avatar projects require a detailed rigged mesh, dozens of textures, 100+ animations, sounds, scripts, HUD designs, addons, accessories, and third-party creator tools to be made, as well as extensive bug testing. Each of my avatars takes me an average of 10 months to complete (working full time, because SL is my full time job). By the time I complete my next avatar, SL2 will be in beta. By the time I've finished the one after that, SL2 may be approaching its launch date. Will those 20 months of work still be worthwhile when SL2 launches?

    I'm thrilled to see that custom skeletons are something that have appeared on your roadmap; I'm hopeful that this will allow a lot of re-use of older meshes and animations, and I look forward as well to seeing the improvements that can come as a result of that feature. I'm hopeful that SL2 can grow to be a wonderful thing, and I'm eager to see what you come up with. All I ask is that, as you move forward and lay the groundwork for this new world, you don't fall into the trap of "you don't have to switch if you don't want to". Make us WANT to switch. Make it EASY to switch. And put high priority on maintaining as much backwards compatibility with SL1 as you possibly can. Custom armatures will greatly help with reusing meshes and animations. What can you do to reduce the workload of re-writing scripts? How about textured clothing and skins? The idea posted earlier of allowing some sort of method of matching old SL1 content in users' inventories to new SL2 updated content is a good one. Please make the transition as painless as possible. Don't let yourself become dismayed by the panic; find a way to excite us. Be on our side. Because we, the creators who form the backbone of the virtual world, need to be on your side too.

    Thanks. That's definitely our goal and we'll make it easier than competitors will. We also don't want to compromise on how good it can be because of it. Balancing act. 

    For all we know, the new world may offer the ability to create content that renders the current content, by comparison, undesirable.  

    For many of us, the very fact that the new world might offer something other than a copy of the SL grid, like the competitors have attempted to grow without much success, is enough of a tid bit to get excited about.  I find all the asshurt over the completely unknown odd for a group of grown-ups.  You don't often see people being offered a Mercedez Benz clinging to a one rear end fender bender away from an explosion Ford Pinto..because it has sentimental value.  

    I hope that LL will not compromise due to a bunch on whining about what "might or might not happen" and will make it the best damn world ever.  I'm glad to see LL is not putting all of their eggs in one basket...it is just good business practice. 

    May the force be with you :matte-motes-wink:

     

     


  10. Ebbe Linden wrote:

    Sorry, I must have it backwards then. Without customers there's obviously not much of anything, no company, no investors...not for long anyway...


    Oh, c'mon, Ebbe, we both know that investors kick start and in some cases, sustain a company...and without them, many companies would not exist today.  To slate them as a tertiary consideration only serves to placate the average user.  It rather honestly is no investors, no company...no need for users. No shame in it.  It is...as the world turns ;)

     

     

     

     

     

     

     


  11. Dresden Ceriano wrote:


        Ebbe Linden wrote:

     

        As Linden Lab’s new CEO, I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself to you all - I’m Ebbe Altberg, aka Ebbe Linden in Second Life (although I’ve been advised by many of you to use an alt when cruising around). You can find my official bio on LindenLab.com, and there’s a nice piece with a bit more about my background and experience over on Inara Pey’s blog, Living in a Modem World (I offered a few clarifications in this comment there).

     

        Why did I choose to take this on? I did it because I love the idea behind our products, what you can do with them, and the potential for what we can become. I studied fine arts and computer science, and I find creating digital products and services a creative blend that I absolutely love. For me then, the creative and empowering technologies and marketplaces Linden Lab are creating are just incredible materials to work with. I have a huge belief that we can do great things together. Great for you, for Linden Lab, and for our investors. Linden has learned a ton that few companies have ever had the opportunity to learn when it comes to empowering people to contribute in creative ways and collaborate with a global online community. It’s unique.

     

        I don’t really consider myself a ‘gamer,’ but I also don’t think that ‘game’ would describe Second Life either, and I’ve found Second Life intriguing for a long time. In addition to having personally explored the virtual world a bit back when it first started (of course I’m diving in more now), my son was a very active Resident as a teenager, and I’ve been consistently impressed by the incredible things the Second Life community creates. I’m proud to be joining the team that enables this level of creativity, and as I said in our press release, I’m committed to supporting our customers to help you become even more successful.  

     

        Many of you have been very kind in welcoming me via Twitter (I’m @ebbealtberg there), and I’ve read quite a few thoughtful blog posts and forum threads offering advice and raising some issues to my attention - thank you for that! I’ll continue to read all that I can (although I won’t always be able to respond to everything), and I’m looking forward to getting more familiar with Second Life and its communities through both personal experience inworld and communication with you and my colleagues.  

     

        There are big opportunities ahead as we further improve and grow Second Life, and I’m looking forward to our future together.

     

        See you inworld!

     

        Ebbe Linden


    Better late than never, I suppose.

    ...Dres

    ETA: Text

    Studies show that people list things in order of least important to most...so "Great for you, for Linden Lab, and for our investors," translated is Great for our investors, great for Linden Lab, and great for you." 

     


  12. Amethyst Gears wrote:

    Chocobo and much more, all seemingly uploaded within a short period

     skyrim helmets and much more, alluploaded frequently and this store has been goin on for quite some time.

     

     

    I am seeing a lot of the same animal uploads from these 2 in the recent Full-Perm listing s and its starting to make me physically ill.

    Its becomming wher I cant even stand to go on themarketplace because I see so much ripped and copyrighted content. You would think there would be at least one person at LL that would look at new marketplace listings making sure the rules are being followed. It would best to have a team doing it that was familiar with games and what to look for. Failing that a way to report them as at the momenrt only the copyright holder can and we all know none of these companies have SL on their radar.

     

    It getting fairly rediculouse the amount of copyrighted content on the marketplace FP and resold by those who bought them either knowingly or not.

     

     

    It is almost if we'd do a better job running the marketplace than LL.

    Really?  Makes you physically ill?

    I looked up Chocobo, because I have never heard of it and therefore would not recognize one of their copyrighted characters by sight, to see evidence of this "blatant" game rip, but I don't see one.  Those do not resemble, in my opinion, the chickens/chicks from the game.  They look like umm...chickens.  The other animals depicted on this stores page look like umm...animals. Animals that exist in RL for which no one can claim IP rights.  The helmets-What particular game are they from?   I wonder if it makes you physically ill when someone is accused of unlawful actions based upon nothing other than someone's opinion? 

    Before you let yourself get physically ill, why not contact Chocobo directly, provide the link and let the actual legal process unfold before you potentially libel yourself and get sued? 


  13. Sid Foxglove wrote:

    im not asking for sympathy , and im not going to fix my typos either, if you dont like it thats tough, i simply stated that LL should raise there cap, noone said anything about Secondlife or LL being a message Comapny,
    stop being illerate
    when you dont know what it is i am speaking about, its all called infrastructure go learn it...

     

     

    It is going to be a fantastic year!!


  14. Perrie Juran wrote:


    Ima Rang wrote:


    Perrie Juran wrote:


    Storm Clarence wrote:

    I have no idea how my sister in-law is wired, nor do I care. But, my post was not about the adults in my family it was about a 13 year old child participating where she has NO place or right to participate.

    If my sister in-law wants to explain the modern facts of life to this child then so be it, I will not. Equally, I will not have her sit on my lap as I play on-line poker with the guys while sipping a Manhattan or two and with a burning bone in the ashtray.

     


    I understood from your OP your concern that your Niece might get "virtually flashed" by a flasher in SL and I believe in general your concern that she might get exposed to Adult content.

    I was however puzzled by your choice of that thread as an example of the kind of behavior and content your Sister In Law might object to and the kind of thing you'd consider being a reason for your Niece not participating in SL.  For example, I would not consider seeing two men or two women dancing together in a club as objectionable.  I would however consider seeing them bumping pixels a completely different issue but that would hold true no matter what genders were involved.

    As far as "NO place or right to participate," that is a matter of personal opinion.

    I have stated my thoughts on this.  I make one exception for it to be OK for a child to be in SL, that is under direct adult supervision in a "G" rated atmosphere.  Other than that I agree with you.  Second Life is not a place for children.

     

    It is not a matter of personal opinion.  The ToS does not allow for 13 year olds to be on the grid for a reason.  The ToS does not say they can be on SL with adult supervision.  They literally have NO place or right to participate.

    You know, unless with the re-write of the TOS is got buried deeper somewhere than I am finding at the moment, I think LL has missed something:

     

    3.2 Age Requirements for Use of Areas of the Service.

    Over 18 Users
    . If you are at least eighteen (18) years of age (or the legal age of majority in your jurisdiction, if greater), then you may use any public area of the Service and, with respect to Second Life, in accordance with our Maturity Ratings.

     

    Under 18 Users
    . If you are less than eighteen (18) years of age (or the legal age of majority in your jurisdiction, if greater), then you may access the General area of the Service in accordance with our Maturity Guidelines.

     

    Under 13 Users
    . Certain limited aspects of the Service (for instance, Linden Lab’s Blocksworld application) may be directed toward children under the age of thirteen (13) (or such age as determined by local law; in the following, the age thirteen (13) is used for ease of reference). When a child under the age of thirteen (13) contacts Linden Lab, for example to participate in a contest or to ask a question, we may collect that child's email address and the e-mail address of the child's parent or guardian. We will use the child's e-mail address only for the purpose for which it was collected, and we will use the e-mail address of the parent(s) or guardian(s) only to provide notification about the child's contact with us, and to provide notification of the types and uses of personal data collected, if and as required by law.

     

    As a parent or guardian of a child under the age of thirteen (13) from whom we have collected personal data, you have the right to review and request deletion of such personal data, and to refuse to permit further collection or use of such personal data. To do so, please contact us at
    . Parents and guardians who wish to review personal data concerning their child(ren) will be required to specify the usernames and passwords of the child(ren) concerned, and to provide their own e-mail address for verification and contact purposes.

     

    We cannot and will not establish conditions that will require or encourage children to disclose personal data over and above what is reasonably necessary to participate in any activity features on our web sites.

     

    Children under thirteen (13) years of age are allowed to participate in contests. However, if such a child wins, notification will be sent to the parent or guardian's e-mail address (provided by the child when he/she enters the contest). Also, we will not ask the child for any personal data beyond e-mail addresses without obtaining prior parental consent. Any personal data obtained from children and parents during contests will be kept until the contest ends and prizes are delivered, and then it will be deleted.

     

    If any online activity offered by us will allow children under the age of thirteen (13) to reveal personal data publicly (for example via un-moderated forums), we will obtain parental consent before allowing the child to participate.

     
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    There is no reference to 13 years or older not being allowed on the Grid.  Only that they are allowed access to "G" content only. 

    I do believe in the old TOS it was more specific, i.e, "you affirm you are at least 16, etc."  But that was to register an account.

    And while the old TOS did not allow a parent to let their Minor Child to acces the Grid with that Parent's Account, it did not forbid it either.  Regardless, the Parent would still be resposible for the Childs activities.

    Perhaps Linden Lab needs to add some specific language to deal with this scenario. It does appear to be an oversight on their part.

    There could still be something buried deeper in the specific Terms that apply to SL at the bottom of the TOS.  I don't remeber right now and my eyes are blurry from trying to decipher a lot of the new changes.

    I don't see where it indicates that 13 year olds are allowed on the grid to access "G" rated content only.

     

    I don't think there is a single situation in which you can not elect of your own accord to split a frog hair 5 ways if your intent and purpose is to protect and defend the stupid actions of friends.  I suppose that it is possible that you are the kind of person that needs for the tag on the blow dryer to specifically state that it is not to be used while in the shower or bathtub, or a masturbation device, but I would guess that most people are free from toaster danger simply by employing common sense. 

    If Linden Lab has made the decision to allow 13 year olds to be on the grid then it should be made very clear to the population of users as many do not have any desire to be on a grid with children. 


  15. Storm Clarence wrote:

    And if the responsible adult does allow the child to participate (and here is the point of this whole conversation) they have NO right to lash-out/admonish any *adult* on the sim who may use language that is not appropriate for a 13 yr. old. Absolutely no right what-so-ever! It is they who failed in their responsibility.

    Indeed.  LOL, I can't even imagine what kind of parent would assume themselves so entitled as to dictate the behavior/language of other adult SL participants for the sake of their underage child. 


  16. Perrie Juran wrote:


    Storm Clarence wrote:

    I have no idea how my sister in-law is wired, nor do I care. But, my post was not about the adults in my family it was about a 13 year old child participating where she has NO place or right to participate.

    If my sister in-law wants to explain the modern facts of life to this child then so be it, I will not. Equally, I will not have her sit on my lap as I play on-line poker with the guys while sipping a Manhattan or two and with a burning bone in the ashtray.

     


    I understood from your OP your concern that your Niece might get "virtually flashed" by a flasher in SL and I believe in general your concern that she might get exposed to Adult content.

    I was however puzzled by your choice of that thread as an example of the kind of behavior and content your Sister In Law might object to and the kind of thing you'd consider being a reason for your Niece not participating in SL.  For example, I would not consider seeing two men or two women dancing together in a club as objectionable.  I would however consider seeing them bumping pixels a completely different issue but that would hold true no matter what genders were involved.

    As far as "NO place or right to participate," that is a matter of personal opinion.

    I have stated my thoughts on this.  I make one exception for it to be OK for a child to be in SL, that is under direct adult supervision in a "G" rated atmosphere.  Other than that I agree with you.  Second Life is not a place for children.

     

    It is not a matter of personal opinion.  The ToS does not allow for 13 year olds to be on the grid for a reason.  The ToS does not say they can be on SL with adult supervision.  They literally have NO place or right to participate.

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