Dogboat Taurog

West Habercom wrote: Just wondered how everyone feels about the new changes.... the ones I refer to are the new profile pages on the web site, and also the new search (All). I don't like either one. i wonder if I missed a memo. Did LL even ask their "customers" what they wanted, or has the "Voice of the Customer" concept flown out the window? they must be doing something right, concurrency is down and SL is more confusing than ever. That's the plan isn't it?

Eileen Fellstein wrote: I generally like to keep my land open but the house private. I have tried locked doors. Those are worthless as they only keep the honest people out and those are the one's I would invite in! lol, easy enough to just object-sit past a locked door. Most intruders even ignored the scripted warning that I put in the door to stay out unless invited in. The range based secerity systems work well. I did go that route for a while but now I just ban the people that are disrespectful enough to persist when asked not to enter the house uninvited. I generally don't feel I'm being rude to ask flat out, 'why did you just come inside my home?'. It's a fair enough question I think, lol. My homes have never resembled a public facility of any sort. I'm being gracious enough to keep the land open for them to cross and enjoy without annoying banlines. Best thing is to keep a sense of humor as long as they aren't being over the top rude. Don't be a doormat though. I usually find it best to be clear before anything else. 'this is my home. I pay for the land. No, you cannot live here. If you'd like a home you need to purchase your own land.'. I have, on occasion given people who were polite a copy of the house as I built it myself. Being as they need to buy or rent land to use it, it's a little like Daffy Duck yelling 'Hey bub, you need a house to go with this doorknob', but heh, it's a start I suppose Another fun option is some sort of attack pet like a german sheppard. Certainly not foolproof and only short ranged (for like the area of a doorway) but they can nudge an avatar right off the parcel for you. I tested one on myself and had to have my partner shut it off as it knocked me offsim into a blank area of the grid and I was stuck, lol if you have the luxury of having land you can set to damage enabled, you might consider the use of an automatic instant death laser. just a thought. ps, coincidentally, i'm working on building an automatic instant death laser. :smileywink:

Eileen Fellstein wrote: If I understand the OP correctly Smoothie, your complaint is new users who base their opinion of wether or not you can be helpful to them on information in the RL portion of your profile? I've run into that a lot. Usually duck waddling noobs whose only question is something synomamous with 'ASL???' If that was your point, then IMO, you are best off just letting them mosey on their merry way in search of whomever it is they think they are going to find here, because nothing you can say will stop it, even after they learn about SL and how to make themself appear less noobish. Chipmunk? hmm. seems to me anyone that has figured out how to make themself appear to be a walking, talking woodland creature probably knows a few things about the platform we are on. It may actually be the best person in the room to ask, if you are really looking for technical help, lol. I actually have a very cute chipmunk avi I wear on occasion and having done 3 years of club work and having used several viewers, I can usually give some pretty solid basic help on the things a newcomer might ask. It wasn't a chipmunk for me on my 1st day. It was an alien. He had more answers than my head was ready to hold and most of it didn't sink in till later when I tried putting it to practical use. I do recal he gave me a joint and a cool hat. That was probably the best part of the encounter asit is still memorable to me as an act of kindness thats like knowing how to wear clothes, useful to a noob i suppose but hardly advanced stuff. you chipmunks are getting above your station.

Venus Petrov wrote: When I was new, 99% of the avatars I encountered were human form. I would like to think that, if I had a question, I would not have hesitated to ask someone who was not human form as long as I felt that they had some 'age' over me and were likely to have an answer. I mean, there is still a human behind the avie. We all know that, right Dog? part human part devil :smileywink:

Pussycat Catnap wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: something to do with having ones feet on the ground perhaps? i played donkey kong, didnt make me a furry. How's that then? Why are the special case that plays an animal but isn't a furry while the rest of us are? Some kind of irrationality to you there? And is 'feet on the ground' code for 'imagination of a cracked brick?' or just your way of trying to be cute in tossing out your usual litany of insults? i played mario and im not a plumber. That's really not the right analogy, but it requires you to first be capable of understanding the Donkey Kong reference to see why. this whole thing about playing animals or robots is totally absurd in my opinion, And you just admitted to playing one yourself in past. Furfreak! Meanwhile on Earth, the rest of us have been around video games, cartoons, and the internet for a -LONG- time and have learned to see characters in games in all manner of forms representing all manner of themes. We're over here in the modern age. Where did you get left behind, because I could probably even get an Amish to get this whole thing. playing Donkey Kong makes me a furry??? so mario makes me a plumber. you dont get a choice of what you play in donkey kong or mario. SL isnt the same, in fact the choices you get when you sign up are all human looking, you chose the rabbit suit for reasons that are best left to yourself, i chose human as i wanted to meet other humans, not fleabags.:smileyindifferent:

Void Singer wrote: you mentioned my "tag", I assume you meant "tag line"... if not then you aren't making any sense. and I find it hard to believe that "a lot of people" in any nation developed enough to have broadband internet access, whom expect to get goods and services over the internet can't at least get access to a DC or CC if they wanted to. Furthermore it stretches the imagination to think these same people, cannot figure out that all they have to do is e-mail the file to someone that does have PIOF who is willing to upload it for them. never mind that this ONLY applies to mesh uploads. the facts don't change no matter how you try to turn mole hills into mountains. its obviously important to LL, they even mentioned it, lol. you are complacent and smug,

Pussycat Catnap wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: (Just because a SL chipmunk might have a brain the size of a single small acorn doesn't mean for certain they aren't a possible source of help) i don't think i'd be asking a person in a chipmunk suit for help quite frankly. :smileyindifferent: Yeah, that's what she was talking about. but would you if you were new? its ok posting in a forum but thats fairly pointless for new residents, they probably won't find the forums or this thread. Why not? I mean the internet's been around since the late 60s. and the public's known about it since 1995 right? And we all know what a video game is right? And we've all seen things like Pokemon, and Scooby Doo, and so on, right? If you've ever played Donkey Kong - you're a furry. And that's been around since 1980 or so. And it ain't the only example by far.  So what's the freaking hangup? Nobody's really a newbie anymore. Not unless you just got rescued from being held in captivity for the last 16 years. I mean come on - the tribes in the Amazon jungle are online now. We've been going around this block for almost 2 decades now, you'd think people would know what houses are out there by now. something to do with having ones feet on the ground perhaps? i played donkey kong, didnt make me a furry. i played mario and im not a plumber. this whole thing about playing animals or robots is totally absurd in my opinion, and saying a furry is better at building or fighting (as someone else here said) is equally if not more absurd. you are all mad!!

Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: Smoothie is saying that everyone one in SL can be helpful. People shouldn't hesitate to ask for help based on their ideas from real life. Because people in SL are living their dreams and in a world of imagination. So don't choose who to ask for advice by looking at their AV or profile & using your RL standards. (Just because a SL chipmunk might have a brain the size of a single small acorn doesn't mean for certain they aren't a possible source of help) i don't think i'd be asking a person in a chipmunk suit for help quite frankly. :smileyindifferent: Yeah, that's what she was talking about. but would you if you were new? its ok posting in a forum but thats fairly pointless for new residents, they probably won't find the forums or this thread.

Qwalyphi Korpov wrote: Smoothie is saying that everyone one in SL can be helpful. People shouldn't hesitate to ask for help based on their ideas from real life. Because people in SL are living their dreams and in a world of imagination. So don't choose who to ask for advice by looking at their AV or profile & using your RL standards. (Just because a SL chipmunk might have a brain the size of a single small acorn doesn't mean for certain they aren't a possible source of help) i don't think i'd be asking a person in a chipmunk suit for help quite frankly. :smileyindifferent:

you may also get no thanks for helping, thats SL i suppose, some people think you are part of a machine. also some people dont want to be helped.

Void Singer wrote: My sig is a self effacing joke, about how at one time in LL's effort to block the spammer, no one could quote me or use my name on the forums without their posts getting moderated.... rather than get mad about it, I turned it into a joke. as for understanding, I understand your position perfectly well, and reject it, because it doesn't fit the facts. but feel free to keep grasping at straws. i have no idea what your sig has to do with anything, my position doesnt fit your facts and this is the problem that you are having. you can't understand anyone but yourself. for those who are not from the US and dont have a CC or DC they are stuck and thats a lot of people.

leyna wrote: The unnanounced visitor thing happened twice today to my partner. We have a parcel in a residential adult sim where we each have a home. (because we both have so much fun creating and putting together our homes we decided to go with two - which is really beside the point) Earlier today he was working on a project when he heard his front door open and discovers a woman has let herself into his house and is walking up the stairs checking things out. He said "hello", and no response, tried again to talk to her and nothing. Eventually she TPd out. Just a few minutes ago, he TPd to our parcel and discovered a woman completely nude standing in my living room. I realize this might be a dream come true for some guys, but the fact that she was unannouned and completely undressed took him by surprise and was a bit awkward for him. I thought it was kinda funny myself. I don't mind that much if people pop in though I'd much prefer to invite them. If they're respectful and don't linger if I tell I'm busy, it's okay. I'm not sure I'd want to put a security orb on my place, part of it is open and doesn't have doors, and I like that open feel. (can I even use a security orb when I don't have doors?) I would however prefer people not pop in naked, yes the sim is rated adult, but at ground level it's all residential and it seems a bit presumptuous to assume that it's okay to hang out in someone's home uninvited and wearing nothing. Maybe the fact that there's no security and on adult land tells people it's okay to come on in and strip? What do you say to someone in a situation like this? I wouldn't want to be rude unless it became necessary. some people think its ok to do as they like on your land, i asked a few people why they thought they could do that, they said SL isnt real etc. i put a security orb on the land, no more uwanted visits.

would be kinda nice if LL concentrated on things like inventory loss, group chat lag, red zone type exploits etc. i don't really want silly half baked shiny things, this thing with no name has been disabled as much as possible.

Void Singer wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Second, if you have never given us billing information, you'll need to enter it into your account. Why, you ask? Because having payment information on file is an important step in establishing direct relationships with content creators who will be working in mesh. Note: We do realize that with the current configuration, some Residents will need to make a purchase in order to enter their billing information. only applies to people who do not have a debit/credit card or US paypal, which is a vanishingly small amount of users with extunuating circumstances.... that it's available at all is pretty rare in online service. so credit cards can be stolen and bank accounts cant be stolen, nice try but you fail here. but stolen financial information can be traced, reported, and blacklisted... doing the same with IP addresses is an exercise in futility, since they don't identify an individual. so nice try but you fail doubly there. i dont know how you can speak for LL btw. because I can read, and nowhere have they stated such an accusation (quite the opposite), so the only person here pretending to speak for others and put words in their mouth is you... but that seems to be a bad habit of yours already i think your tag is making you think you are way above where you really are. i'm not the only person pointing this payment crap out. i don't put words in anyones mouth or talk for them. im quoting LL. i havent failed at all, you just havent thought about it, and haven't considered other peoples comments. can't force you to understand i guess.

Arkady Arkright wrote: WolfBaginski Bearsfoot wrote: I can see why Linden Lab shut down their offices in Europe. With a business presence there, this latest scheme could have been subject to European data privacy laws, and likely illegal. As SL is marketed in Europe, don't the European laws apply anyway ? i just set it to nobody, i have no real clue what that does and doesn't do, and i havent got the time or inclination to find out. i don't have a twitface account and i dont want one.

Void Singer wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: whats wrong is you need to have paid LL some cash for something. [...] this statement is incorrect. PIOF does not require paying LL anything. you are thinking of PIU, which is NOT what is required. Second, if you have never given us billing information, you'll need to enter it into your account. Why, you ask? Because having payment information on file is an important step in establishing direct relationships with content creators who will be working in mesh. Note: We do realize that with the current configuration, some Residents will need to make a purchase in order to enter their billing information. ips can be blocked, thats enough accountability. you are accusing everyone without payment on file of being a thief basically. in case you've missed it, IP blocking is what LL has already tried doing, and the thieves come back within minutes of being banned... even when using hardware ID. I've witnessed it first hand. the tools to do so are available freely even if one doesn't have the knowledge to do so manually. I am not accusing anyone of anything, nor is LL. payment information is being used in the same way a pawn shop verifies identify for goods they purchase, so that thieves can be tracked, and legitimate users have effective means of not only pursuing people that steal from them, but also an effective end for reporting stolen content and possibly even recouping their losses if they are defrauded. so credit cards can be stolen and bank accounts cant be stolen, nice try but you fail here. i dont know how you can speak for LL btw.

Dillon Levenque wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Void Singer wrote: obviously they will, you did. ... unless you are suddenly going to claim that you are not in fact any of those adjectives, and then please feel free to apply all of your arguments to yourself. i'll tell you how the majority of women think and feel if you like playing by your rules i'd be an expert. you need a bridge. Really, Dogboat. Hang it up. I was hoping someone would point out the fallacy of your argument a few posts back. Someone did. After several posts in which you professed to know, and willingly shared, the thoughts of adult heterosexual human males you responded by saying that those very same people (among whom you clearly included yourself) would not tell their thoughts. I'm sorry to have to tell you but that just doesn't fly. You contradicted yourself. Massively. Let it go. Just because I'm all done I'll throw in my two cent's worth, and I do know how to count to two. In my opinion any man who thinks his woman doesn't know exactly what he's all about is delusional. As is any man who thinks he has a woman all figured out. I'm not saying those things are not possible, just that they are very unlikely. you are, at least i gather, a female. you can have no idea of what you are talking about. any woman who thinks she knows her man is delusional too, and history has repeated itself time and time again. i didn't contradict myself, i couldn't care less what i tell you because i don't want either of you.

Void Singer wrote: obviously they will, you did. ... unless you are suddenly going to claim that you are not in fact any of those adjectives, and then please feel free to apply all of your arguments to yourself. i'll tell you how the majority of women think and feel if you like playing by your rules i'd be an expert. you need a bridge.

Void Singer wrote: I know enough of the breed to say with confidence that you are grossly mistaken in thinking your generaliztion applies to all, and possibly even a majority (I can't say it come up with even a majority of men I've talked to) ...including some who would just as stubbornly insist that their criteria, which is not the same, is the only one used by "adult heterosexual human males". you have no idea how mens minds work i'm afraid. this is stuff they won't tell you.

Void Singer wrote: the addition of "adult" still doesn't change anything, in fact it probably makes the generalization worse... but congratulations on finally matching me with at least one adjective. unless you are an adult heterosexual human male i think you will struggle to understand, it would appear that you are out of your depth, therefore i must conclude you are at least two defininitions missing from the above *generalisation*.

Void Singer wrote: really? how? please explain how a user on his 50th account selling stolen content and then funneling the cash flow through a dozen alts is "accountable". who repays the users that bought from this person when LL finally catches on and deletes that content? how does the original creator pursue compensation for their losses with no way to access information on who this thief is through legal channels, when that information does not exist? and seriously, tell me what's "wrong" about requiring people making a profit on something to provide basic information on who they are to LL? it's surely a lot less onerous than all the various trade and merchant licenses and related costs and renewals of RL. whats wrong is you need to have paid LL some cash for something. ips can be blocked, thats enough accountability. you are accusing everyone without payment on file of being a thief basically.

Void Singer wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: perhaps you lack a certain heterosexual male component. both actually not that it makes one bit of difference to the over generalizing your behavior to every heterosexual male in existence that you're engaging in i'm just refering to adult heterosexual human males, sorry if i generalised.

Void Singer wrote: I'm pretty sure those 4 points can be beaten more easily than you imagine, but worse I think you are falling back to on "is this person attractive" criteria, rather than "is this person the gender I expect" PS everyone naturally uses "attractiveness" criteria when meeting new people, but those vary by culture and personal taste. some have more, less, or different "points", and I'd definitely disagree that there is one absolute fixed standard. perhaps you lack a certain heterosexual male component. is it female is the first question we subconsiously ask ourselves, is it attractive is the second, thats why the face is last on the list.

Void Singer wrote: so you don't think people selling things should be accountable in any way? you don't think LL should at least make a reasonable effort to stop the flow and sale of stolen items? and what exactly is "wrong" about it? I'm not suggesting people pay to build, I'm not even suggesting they shouldn't be able to give away things they make. I'm only suggesting that anyone making a profit should be accountable at some level. thats 2 different things, being accountable and having payment on file aren't the same thing. we are all accountable.

Void Singer wrote: while I'd like to see continued buidling being free (such as it is), I am among those who wish that sale right were limited at creation time to accounts that had payment information on file.... unfortunately it'd be nearly impossible to implement and still be backwards compatible for any modifiable content already in world. (the system I envision would tie a salable flag to each item on creation.... NPIOF, not salable, even by next owners. PIOF, salable unless permissions are set otherwise) thats just wrong, same as mesh import restrictions. i can see it coming but its so wrong.