Dogboat Taurog

Pussycat Catnap wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Pussycat Catnap wrote: oh you bought that PhD from the net? university of libya right? i saw them too, very cheep. but i wont tell anyone about you :smileywink: socialising makes things a game? wut? Ah so you tell me not to name call in one thread, and toss this out in another. Try again. Went to the UC system for my last degree, after working my way up via the GI bill from the community colleges to the state universities. And again, you failed to see my point, and instead focused on a side comment. Two of them in fact. lighten up, i wasn't name calling. the PhD is a standing joke where i live, the equivalent of a MacD , i thought you would see the wink. :smileywink: there it is again..

Pussycat Catnap wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: the point he was making was not only out of scope it was also seriously exaggerated Gadget Portal wrote: I gotta agree with Pussycat. If there were suddenly no more interconnected sims and/or mainland, the hundreds of thousands of L$ I've spent on vehicles would be absolutely wasted. I'd be pissed. no need for name calling eh pussycat? You sunk this one to the low level with your comment, I just called you on it. And you're still focusing on something other than his point so that you don't have to deal with his point - dismissing his argument based on the flourish. That is, in a word, foolish. i didnt think his response was within the scope of the subject, i thought his comment was selfish and he made a ridiculous exaggeration. mmkay?

Ceka Cianci wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Ceka Cianci wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Venus Petrov wrote: Parse your words all you like and you are still incorrect. thats your opinion. the facts are that pc chips contain an operating system, windows goes over the top of that, and when you log in to SL that goes over the top of windows. (or mac or linux etc) Oo no thats the bios(basic input output system) not an operating system an operating system is what takes over after the basic input output system gives control to the operating system which resides on the hard drive.. SL needs an operating system to operate..it resides within an operating system..without an operating system working to run it.. it's nothing.. it's an application using the operating system it resides in to run.. ETA: if anything it's a really neat browser.. kind of like that blue E that comes with windows without the bios controlling the computer it would be useless. its a low level operating system. thats why your pc or mac has those messages on the screen at start up. it allows the drives to be read and many other tasks. theres more to it than you think, its all about levels of control. it's not an operating system it's a program that the microprocessor uses to get the system going.. yawn, the term OS is evidently misunderstood. same as platform and virtual world it seems.

Ceka Cianci wrote: no it i a basic input output system not a basic integrated operating system. the opersting system is an operating system i never said bios stood for anything else. as i said before its a low level operating system.

Pussycat Catnap wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: No, that's an exaggeration. It's closer to 50k than 100k. But the point remains. its an extreme exaggeration, and im afraid you lose all credulity for it. ty and good day. Are you really going to paint yourself as that much of a simpleminded dolt? That wasn't even the poster's point that you're hanging yourself up on for no more purpose than trying to make yourself look foolish. Look to people's points, not their side flourishes. the point he was making was not only out of scope it was also seriously exaggerated Gadget Portal wrote: I gotta agree with Pussycat. If there were suddenly no more interconnected sims and/or mainland, the hundreds of thousands of L$ I've spent on vehicles would be absolutely wasted. I'd be pissed. no need for name calling eh pussycat? and quite frankly ive seen these guys getting indignant cos they cant fly where they like including my land. 

Ceka Cianci wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Venus Petrov wrote: Parse your words all you like and you are still incorrect. thats your opinion. the facts are that pc chips contain an operating system, windows goes over the top of that, and when you log in to SL that goes over the top of windows. (or mac or linux etc) Oo no thats the bios(basic input output system) not an operating system an operating system is what takes over after the basic input output system gives control to the operating system which resides on the hard drive.. SL needs an operating system to operate..it resides within an operating system..without an operating system working to run it.. it's nothing.. it's an application using the operating system it resides in to run.. ETA: if anything it's a really neat browser.. kind of like that blue E that comes with windows without the bios controlling the computer it would be useless. its a low level operating system. thats why your pc or mac has those messages on the screen at start up. it allows the drives to be read and many other tasks. theres more to it than you think, its all about levels of control.

Pussycat Catnap wrote: Marigold Devin wrote: Second Life, for me, is not a game, but is a recreational hobby, in the same way as ... crossword puzzles,  It is also a way of playing "dolls house" as an adult.   But not a game.  I'll make the intelligent obsevation of a person with a phD here: lolwut? Your images speak for themselves. Plus: Its the very fact that this is so social that makes it a game. oh you bought that phD from the net? university of libya right? i saw them too, very cheep. but i wont tell anyone about you :smileywink: socialising makes things a game? wut?

Gadget Portal wrote: Play SL? Sure. I just logged in with a username and password, loaded up a 3D character, walked around with the WASD keys, chatted in local chat, teleported around a bit, attached a sword to my hand, then logged out. I can do EXACTLY that in World of Warcraft, which you've already stated is a game. You're still not making an argument. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking you or flat out telling you you're wrong. I'm just asking you for some supporting evidence to your opinion that WoW is a game when SL is not. Simply saying "It isn't a game because I say so and that's fact" is the kind of thing a six year old would say. You're clearly not 6. Offer up some supporting evidence. i and others dont play SL so it cant be a game, it has to be something else. many just sell stuff on the marketplace, some have clubs, some build, they are not playing SL. they are working within it or just socialising or 1000 other things, so to call SL a game is wrong. you can play tiny empires but you cant play SL.

Venus Petrov wrote: Parse your words all you like and you are still incorrect. thats your opinion. the facts are that pc chips contain an operating system, windows goes over the top of that, and when you log in to SL that goes over the top of windows. (or mac or linux etc)

Gadget Portal wrote: So all you've done so far is say that your opinion is fact, and that WoW and SL are both operating systems.. But not what makes SL NOT a game when WoW is. Either they're the same or they're not. Which is it? try to "play" SL. come back when you are finished :smileywink:

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: And your operating system is what does all the input/output stuff. Ever wonder why programs are coded for specific operatining systems? Without an operating system nothing works...........try running SL without an operating system that SL was coded for. Jeeze, I hope you are an IT for my bank............I'm worried now. no need to worry, i know what im talking about. ps you are in the red...

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: Well I made to the bathroom before I wet myself............but you keep digging that hole. It's comical. My computer when logged into SL is not connected to your computer and it in no way teams up with your computer to communicate to your computer. We "communicate" to a set of servers when then processes all that communication and broadcasts it to the rest of SL. You're also saying that this blog/forum is a operating system. :matte-motes-big-grin: I hope your employer doesn't see your post............you might be danger of loosing that IT job. :matte-motes-agape: this flogrum is an operating system too. you have to understand exactly what operating system means. the clue is in "operating" and "system"

Gadget Portal wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Peggy Paperdoll wrote: Operating system? Oh boy...............Dogboat don't say such stupid things. You don't know what an operating system is........and it ain't SL. I got to go pee now...............that was so funny. :matte-motes-big-grin: see above, im probably more qualified in IT than you will ever be. from the wiki: A distributed operating system manages a group of independent computers and makes them appear to be a single computer. The development of networked computers that could be linked and communicate with each other, gave rise to distributed computing. Distributed computations are carried out on more than one machine. When computers in a group work in cooperation, they make a distributed system. Well see, now you're talking about SL's server software and network... That's a different conversation entirely. Although if we're using that as our definition, frickin' World of Warcraft is a operating system. indeed it is and Wow is a game.

Gadget Portal wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: I think the confusion cropping up is when you combine the word "play" with "game". You can't use those words together when talking about SL, unless you're playing a game within it. However, you CAN use the word "game" for SL for the same reason an MMO is called a "game". It's a virtual world. It's not real. Yes, you can have real experiences and real interactions and real relationships in Second Life... But you can do that in any MMO. So while SL is not a game that you play, it can still fall under the category of online world... Traditionally called an online game. What you do once you log in and how seriously you take it (sometimes to unhealthy levels) is up to the individual. the traditional view of online game does not apply to SL - it isn't an online game. its really rather simple and there is no confusion, SL isnt a game and its not played. think of it like a PC, you can play games on it but it doesnt mean every one does. Your third sentence could be made into a compelling argument. Your second sentence is opinion, just like mine, and we're both entitled. Your first sentence does make me ask- how is SL not an online game? I'm curious what makes you reach that conclusion. wiki describes SL as a virtual world. i and many others dont "play" SL. therefore SL isn't a game. its not an opinion, its a fact. SL ts an operating system. Wow, really? Normally I can agree with a lot of what you post in these forums Dog, but that was a little bit ridiculous. Just because you and a lot of other people don't "play" something, that doesn't make it not a game. If you don't play basketball, is it suddenly not a game? And yes... You just confused "fact" and "opinion" big time, there. Same thing with Operating System. Windows an Operating System. Linux is an Operating System. SL has very little in common with an operating system. Edit: If Second Life were an operating system, it wouldn't have to run on an... wait for it... operating system. If it were self booting and didn't require an operating system to run, then it COULD be an operating system. dude, games and apps have operating systems, you dont know enough about it. they don't need to boot a pc, word has an operating system which controls input and output and all associated tasks.

Peggy Paperdoll wrote: Operating system? Oh boy...............Dogboat don't say such stupid things. You don't know what an operating system is........and it ain't SL. I got to go pee now...............that was so funny. :matte-motes-big-grin: see above, im probably more qualified in IT than you will ever be. from the wiki: A distributed operating system manages a group of independent computers and makes them appear to be a single computer. The development of networked computers that could be linked and communicate with each other, gave rise to distributed computing. Distributed computations are carried out on more than one machine. When computers in a group work in cooperation, they make a distributed system.

Venus Petrov wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: wiki describes SL as a virtual world. i and many others dont "play" SL. therefore SL isn't a game. its not an opinion, its a fact. SL ts an operating system. Whoa there pooch. SL is not an operating system. Unless you claim that your computer is using the 'SL OS'. Your 'fact' is your opinion. Please do not confuse the two. nope its a fact, whilst you may think you know what an operating system is, i dont think you actually do. and please dont call me pooch.

Gadget Portal wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: I think the confusion cropping up is when you combine the word "play" with "game". You can't use those words together when talking about SL, unless you're playing a game within it. However, you CAN use the word "game" for SL for the same reason an MMO is called a "game". It's a virtual world. It's not real. Yes, you can have real experiences and real interactions and real relationships in Second Life... But you can do that in any MMO. So while SL is not a game that you play, it can still fall under the category of online world... Traditionally called an online game. What you do once you log in and how seriously you take it (sometimes to unhealthy levels) is up to the individual. the traditional view of online game does not apply to SL - it isn't an online game. its really rather simple and there is no confusion, SL isnt a game and its not played. think of it like a PC, you can play games on it but it doesnt mean every one does. Your third sentence could be made into a compelling argument. Your second sentence is opinion, just like mine, and we're both entitled. Your first sentence does make me ask- how is SL not an online game? I'm curious what makes you reach that conclusion. wiki describes SL as a virtual world. i and many others dont "play" SL. therefore SL isn't a game. its not an opinion, its a fact. SL ts an operating system.

Gadget Portal wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Gadget Portal wrote: I think the confusion cropping up is when you combine the word "play" with "game". You can't use those words together when talking about SL, unless you're playing a game within it. However, you CAN use the word "game" for SL for the same reason an MMO is called a "game". It's a virtual world. It's not real. Yes, you can have real experiences and real interactions and real relationships in Second Life... But you can do that in any MMO. So while SL is not a game that you play, it can still fall under the category of online world... Traditionally called an online game. What you do once you log in and how seriously you take it (sometimes to unhealthy levels) is up to the individual. the traditional view of online game does not apply to SL - it isn't an online game. its really rather simple and there is no confusion, SL isnt a game and its not played. think of it like a PC, you can play games on it but it doesnt mean every one does. Your third sentence could be made into a compelling argument. Your second sentence is opinion, just like mine, and we're both entitled. Your first sentence does make me ask- how is SL not an online game? I'm curious what makes you reach that conclusion. wiki describes SL as a virtual world. i and many others dont "play" SL. therefore SL isn't a game. its not an opinion, its a fact. SL ts an operating system.

Gadget Portal wrote: I think the confusion cropping up is when you combine the word "play" with "game". You can't use those words together when talking about SL, unless you're playing a game within it. However, you CAN use the word "game" for SL for the same reason an MMO is called a "game". It's a virtual world. It's not real. Yes, you can have real experiences and real interactions and real relationships in Second Life... But you can do that in any MMO. So while SL is not a game that you play, it can still fall under the category of online world... Traditionally called an online game. What you do once you log in and how seriously you take it (sometimes to unhealthy levels) is up to the individual. the traditional view of online game does not apply to SL - it isn't an online game. its really rather simple and there is no confusion, SL isnt a game and its not played. think of it like a PC, you can play games on it but it doesnt mean every one does.

Gadget Portal wrote: No, that's an exaggeration. It's closer to 50k than 100k. But the point remains. its an extreme exaggeration, and im afraid you lose all credulity for it. ty and good day.

Storm Clarence wrote: Canoro Philipp wrote: i see "play" as a word exclusive of a game. I read 'play' as anything I don't get paid to do. playing gardening? playing watching tv? playing having a hernia operation?

Mayalily wrote: Well, we don't just stand there, never move, and have our ownselves on mute. Of course we play stuff. I peeked into the Vanity thread and saw oh about three or four pictures. I saw your photo of the wood nymph (very creative design, btw), so you're really a wood nymph and not playing one? I play a fairy on SL sometimes, and sometimes a mermaid, but I'm not one in real life tho. i am a normal guy in SL, i have a partner 4500 miles away from me, we sell things to pay the rent, we go to listen to music in clubs, we plan our future together. is that playing? i don't think so.

DamianCormansylt wrote: I had recently added my credit card info, and after waiting 10 minutes, it has updated as it should have. But, it says my balance is at 0 when I do infact have money on the card. Any ideas what could be going wrong? It also is a Visa gift card, I don't know if this would affect it or not. there is an occasional bug in SL which displays 0 l$ having someone pay you 1 l$ fixes it.

Ceka Cianci wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Ceka Cianci wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Ceka Cianci wrote: Second life is a type of virtual world.. The others are types of virtual worlds as well.. They all have certain things in common that make them virtual worlds.. A lot call it a virtual internet.. The way LL designed it ..It sure looks and acts like one.. So maybe it is a virtual internet and not just a virtual world.. the internet is quite real. SL is a virtual world. It's a virtual world alright..It's a type of virtual world.. It's type is a virtual internet within the internet where you can do a lot of the things you can do on the net.. A lot of people involved with the development of second life have predicted that it is the next stage of the internet.. Maybe not second life itself but something like it..It may or maynot happen..But you can bet it's based on it.. Just look at how we have to move around or find anything on the grid..Look at what is consistant in it.. We use a browser...We use SLURLs and use a search engine and other forms of links.. People are paying for server space for thier own SLURS to design their little worlds/sites as they wish.. It's a type virtual world for sure..One that does have a main theme. a net based theme which can take you to anyones site.. how the heck is the internet virtual? Bleh..I am saying it's theme is it based as a small version of the net.. a virtual worlds version of the internet hehehe i never said it wasn't a virtual world..i just said it was a type of virtual world.. meh. thats silly.

Ceka Cianci wrote: Dogboat Taurog wrote: Ceka Cianci wrote: Second life is a type of virtual world.. The others are types of virtual worlds as well.. They all have certain things in common that make them virtual worlds.. A lot call it a virtual internet.. The way LL designed it ..It sure looks and acts like one.. So maybe it is a virtual internet and not just a virtual world.. the internet is quite real. SL is a virtual world. It's a virtual world alright..It's a type of virtual world.. It's type is a virtual internet within the internet where you can do a lot of the things you can do on the net.. A lot of people involved with the development of second life have predicted that it is the next stage of the internet.. Maybe not second life itself but something like it..It may or maynot happen..But you can bet it's based on it.. Just look at how we have to move around or find anything on the grid..Look at what is consistant in it.. We use a browser...We use SLURLs and use a search engine and other forms of links.. People are paying for server space for thier own SLURS to design their little worlds/sites as they wish.. It's a type virtual world for sure..One that does have a main theme. a net based theme which can take you to anyones site.. how the heck is the internet virtual?