Hugsy Penguin

Hugsy Penguin wrote: Ugh! Land around mine that was abandoned in early February has 5 minute autoreturn set. Other nearby land that was abandoned yesterday has no autoreturn. :smileysad: None of the land is for sale. I see a new support ticket from me in LL's future. I just found out that the new policy for auto-return on abandoned land is: when the land is first abandoned it gets no auto-return. After about a week, it gets set to 5 minutes. That's what happened to the recently abandoned land near me. It's also in the Knowledge Base: Knowledge Base: Abandoned land "Once abandoned, <<snip>> auto-return settings are enabled after one week."

Jadeclaw Denfu wrote: I would be inclined to agree, if this griefer would use his own land for that and keeps it completely ON his own land, but like a squatter, he uses someone elses property to unload his junk. And that is atleast littering / flytipping. If their things overhang onto your land, you should be able to return them manually by right-clicking and selecting return. This should work even if it's not root-prim centered on your land. If their things are rezzed on Linden owned land, you can file a support ticket to have autoreturn enabled. It's been a while since I've done that (although I'll be doing that again soon), but, historically for me, they've been reasonably quick at taking care of it. If their things are overhanging onto Linden owned land, you can try filing a support ticket for that too. I've had success getting rid of things this way that blocked travel. If their things are rezzed on or overhanging onto some resident's land, then you can try contacting all involved. If you believe the resident is what I can an absentee neighbor (someone who stopped logging in and may have stopped paying tier but they still somehow retain land ownership), then you can file a support ticket for that. If they are an absentee owner, LL may come clear things up. If none of those things apply or work out, then, unfortunately, it seems you're stuck with the stuff.

Czari Zenovka wrote: Yikes!!! I've heard some talk in threads that sometimes abandoned mainland that LL is reselling does not have autoreturn on. Anyone know if this is true, or partially true? *Makes note to go check out the settings on the abandoned parcels on the sim where I live* Ugh! Land around mine that was abandoned in early February has 5 minute autoreturn set. Other nearby land that was abandoned yesterday has no autoreturn. :smileysad: None of the land is for sale. I see a new support ticket from me in LL's future.

I came here because of Grand Theft Auto San Andreas and Club Caribe on Quantum Link. It was mid 2005 and I had finished playing through the game completely. Occasionally I'd go back and play through the storyline again. Meanwhile, I, like others at the time thought it would be cool if there was an online version. I think others just wanted to play shoot-em-up online where as I was more interested in the more innocuous side things you could do. For example, I thought it would be cool to hijack some car, drive to the pool hall, and then play a game with whoever was online and wanted to play. The thought reminded me of my old Q-Link days with the Commodore 64. Q-Link was all text based but there was an extra service called Club Caribe you could pay for. I never had that but from the screenshots it looked like a 2D graphical world you could wander around in, do stuff, and chat with others. Thinking about all that together, I thought it would be cool if there was an online 3D world that you could log into and just do stuff. The service itself would not be a game, rather, it would be a virtual world you would entertained yourself in. You could play pool, go bowling, go golfing, play cards, or do any number of things that would be available. You could get into car/motorcycle/plane/boat races. And, in specially designated areas, you could play shoot-em-up too. Or you could go off on your own and explore the landscape. Just whatever you wanted to do – a sort of online escape from reality. So I figured I'd give a shot at searching for something like that and through whatever keywords I used at the time I found Second Life. I signed up and was immediately hooked. It was (is) a 3D virtual world where you log in and just do whatever. To that end it was just what I was looking for. I didn't initially factor in user generated content although that's a big draw for me now. I was thinking of much larger and sprawling areas provided by the makers and much more similar to GTA. Still, SL is the closest I've found to what I was looking for and still enjoy it very much.

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"Warning: If you make someone an owner of a group, you won't be able to kick them out of it later. Be careful to whom you assign that role." Source: Knowledge Base: Creating, managing, moderating, and disbanding groups

*facepalm* Got it now. Thanks! :matte-motes-big-grin:

In the "Secret places in SL" thread, Curious Hazelnut posted a great list of fun things to do in SL. Because of that, I finally got around to running through the Pyri Funfair cave adventure. If you haven't done it yet and are looking for something fun to do, stop reading, go to the following link, get/wear the ticket, and enter the Tunnel of Love: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Pyri%20Peaks/130/109/115 My question: I got nearly to the end and found the double doors with the ankh symbols on them. I can't get them to open. I'm not sure if I missed something I need to click, say, wear, or whatever to get them to open. I, of coarse, tried clicking, but that didn't work. The doors are scripted and contain a sound. I found a YouTube video that made it look like they opened automatically. Am I doing something wrong or is it possible they're broke?

To get the max prims for a parcel I calculate land_size / 65,536 * 15,000 and then truncate any fraction. Most parcels are going to have some amount to truncate. If those “truncated prims” were being allocated out to the parcels, then for any random sim you go to, all the parcels' max prims should total up to 15,000. That's not what I'm seeing in the few sims that I checked. Are you seeing something different? To check this, I adapted a land surveyor script I already had to include looking for max prims. In Suisun, there are 7 unallocated prims. In Buckler, there are 8 unallocated prims. In Pierce, there are 6 unallocated prims. Suisun (14,993 allocated max prims): Owner A = Governor Linden (25872m²; 5921 max prims) Owner B = --------------- (4944m²; 1131 max prims) Owner C = --------------- (2560m²; 585 max prims) Owner D = --------------- (3328m²; 761 max prims) Owner E = Hugsy Penguin (5056m²; 1157 max prims) Owner F = --------------- (1536m²; 351 max prims) Owner G = --------------- (11792m²; 2698 max prims) Owner H = --------------- (4608m²; 1054 max prims) Owner I = --------------- (1728m²; 395 max prims) Owner J = --------------- (4096m²; 937 max prims) Owner K = --------------- (16m²; 3 max prims) Buckler (14,992 allocated max prims): Owner A = --------------- (5472m²; 1252 max prims) Owner B = --------------- (6352m²; 1453 max prims) Owner C = --------------- (17200m²; 3936 max prims) Owner D = Governor Linden (9456m²; 2164 max prims) Owner E = --------------- (4336m²; 992 max prims) Owner F = --------------- (1376m²; 314 max prims) Owner G = --------------- (1024m²; 234 max prims) Owner H = --------------- (1856m²; 424 max prims) Owner I = --------------- (1024m²; 234 max prims) Owner J = --------------- (8160m²; 1867 max prims) Owner K = --------------- (5632m²; 1289 max prims) Owner L = --------------- (512m²; 117 max prims) Owner M = --------------- (1024m²; 234 max prims) Owner N = --------------- (512m²; 117 max prims) Owner O = --------------- (1536m²; 351 max prims) Owner P = --------------- (64m²; 14 max prims) Pierce (14,994 allocated max prims): Owner A = Governor Linden (16320m²; 3735 max prims) Owner B = --------------- (18560m²; 4248 max prims) Owner C = --------------- (16m²; 3 max prims) Owner D = --------------- (1152m²; 263 max prims) Owner E = --------------- (10496m²; 2402 max prims) Owner F = --------------- (1024m²; 234 max prims) Owner G = --------------- (13360m²; 3057 max prims) Owner H = --------------- (288m²; 65 max prims) Owner I = --------------- (3552m²; 812 max prims) Owner J = --------------- (768m²; 175 max prims)

I like the idea of bumping up the prim count to 16,384. Since land sizes are done in nice round binary amounts, having a nice round binary number for the sim prim count makes sense. Plus it's not that much of an increase so I doubt lag would be much of an issue. I get the feeling that the guy at LL who did the land was working in binary and was different from the guy who did the prims who was working in decimal. The old 10m max prim size and 15,000 sim prim count seem to indicate this. To be clear though, the smallest possible parcel on a sim is 4m x 4m (16m²). That means there's 4,096 possible parcels in a sim (65,536m² / 16m²). Each of those parcels would have 4 prims allotted. No matter how land was divided up, there would be no prims lost to rounding. To figure out how many prims a parcel has, you would just take the size and divide by 4 (512m² = 128 prims; 1,024m² = 256 prims; 2,048m² = 512 prims; etc...) Interestingly, there's 3 prims currently allotted to a 16m² parcel. That means if a sim was divided into 4k unique parcels with unique owners there would be 2,712 prims lost to rounding (15,000 - 4,096 * 3). [clicking "Post" hoping I did the math right, LOL]

It's clear you don't know anything about the Stella Liebeck case. Coffee is supposed to be served hot. It's not supposed to be served at 185°F (85°C). That's hot enough to inflict third degree burns (i.e., not just red on the surface but burned all the way through the dermis) and is unfit for consumption. McDonalds knew their coffee could do this to people (because there had been claims in the past) but did nothing about it. And, no, she wasn't trying to scam millions out of McDonalds. She initially sought $20,000, which I believe mostly covered medical costs, but McDonalds refused. And before they entered into a secret settlement, the amounts were reduced to $160,000 in compensatory damages and $480,000 in punitive damages (still a lot but not millions). I don't think anyone, including Stella herself, is saying she did nothing wrong. What's being said is that the coffee was served ridiculously negligently hot. Here's more info (WARNING - contains photo of her actual burns): http://pratlaw.wordpress.com/2010/02/24/an-old-posting-i-always-wanted-to-have-referenced/ solstyse wrote: Not a bad idea, but I'm still young enough to need the parts she burned, while she's old enough that it doesn't matter. Honestly, that's just a disgusting thing to say. Her lap is every bit as important to her as yours is to you.

When I was looking for a cigar, I ended up going with Nikotin. They have cigarettes too. What I liked is that the cigars/cigarettes themselves look good plus the smoke effect is they way I wanted it. It's subtle but noticeable and the particles don't follow the source (i.e., if I move away from where I'm standing, the smoke is left behind). The only downside I noticed is that when I turn the smoke off with the HUD, I can't get it to come back on. I noticed this in the demo so when I bought it, I made sure to keep a backup copy of the original (it's, copy, no modify, no transfer). It does have 11 scripts which seems a bit much, but Firestorm reports: [11/11] running scripts. 464Kb consumed for 0.008607ms of cpu time. That doesn't seem too bad but I will remove it in heavily lagged areas.

My memory is failing me. I would have swore that you could join land that didn't share a border and that the system was smart enough to know to just join your land together. But, every wiki article and video tutorial I can find tells me otherwise. So, I was wrong on the matter. Sorry everyone for the wrong information. :smileyembarrassed: What was frying my noodle is this: in Suisun, there's a road that comes up through the southern border, turns, and goes out the eastern border. There's a parcel of land southeast of the road as well as land to the north and west. I used to own much of this land including the land southeast of the road. I know for a fact that, when I trying to sell it, that parcel was subdivided all to itself separate from the land across the road. But now, it's owned by someone else and joined (same parcel ID) with land across the road. Thinking about it some more, I now remember that I ended up abandoning the land because I couldn't even get a measly L$1/m for it. I don't remember what happened to it after I abandoned it. I guess an LL employee must have joined it which is interesting. They can join land that doesn't share a border. Then the person who owns it now bought it from LL as one parcel.

Miserlie wrote: So i tried firestorm and i love it, not hard to learn at all. no crashes, lag nothing. should have switched earlier. but one thing, what does the message "bridge created" actually mean, really curious about this. It's an object that attaches to your avatar. It does so on the "bridge" attachment point so I don't believe it takes up a spot that you'd otherwise have. It's used to provide some of the features of Firestorm. There's more info here: http://wiki.phoenixviewer.com/fs_bridge You can see the script in the bridge object: Bring up Inventory --> #Firestorm --> #LSL Bridge Right-click #Firestorm LSL Bridge v2.3 and pick Edit On the edit window, go to the Content tab. Double-click the script to view/edit it I'm not sure what happens if you edit it. I don't know if it will automatically revert back.

Glad to hear you got your situation worked out. :matte-motes-smile: I did want to point out that in step 2 under Joining Land, there's an implication that the two parcels have to share a border. That's not true. As long as the two parcels are in the same sim, they can be joined even if they're not touching each other. Edit: I was mistaken.

I use FS 95% of the time, the latest SL viewer the rest. I don't see a big difference in performance, except that SL viewer is a bit better for uploading mesh. FS has a much more customizable interface.

Way back before my time there were Lifetime Accounts. If I understand it correctly, people with those accounts can buy upto 4,096m² of land and pay no recurring fees to the lab. No premium. No Tier. That ended a long time ago. I can't find a reference to it now, but I swear I recall some years ago LL held a contest for something and the winner got a lifetime account. Unless they do something like that again, and I doubt they will, there's no way to have land without paying some sort of recurring fee.

As a part of making changes to abandoned land, is it possible they're automatically changing old 0 auto-return land to 5 minutes? The reason I ask is this: Years ago I owned land in an adjacent sim. There was a 8m x 8m notch in the land – half owned by an old ad farmer and half owned by the neighbor. The old ad farmer land was abandoned but had no auto-return. I found a 10m sphere underground left behind by someone. It was underground and not bothersome but made me decide to fill the rest of the land with tree trunks. Like I said that was years ago. Today I log in and get a message that those objects have been returned to me. I went to investigate the land and verified that my objects and the underground sphere are gone. Also, 5 minute auto-return has been set. And here's the kicker: the 1,056m² of land that I used to own is abandoned, for sale, but was NOT joined to the 32m² abandoned land that was just changed. And, the 32m² land was not terraformed back to default like they always do. Had a Linden actually come out to manually fix the land as a result of a support ticket, they surely would have joined all the land together and terraformed it. I highly doubt they would have missed that. And given the slow turn over of land in the area, I highly doubt anyone ever bothered to send in a ticket in the first place. And, wow, I just noticed that my neighbor abandoned their land about 14 hour ago. It's well-within the old 24 hour buy back period, but it's not for sale to anyone.

I don't believe Kenbro is being sarcastic. Regarding my reply, it's NOT about water. That completely misses the point. It (like Kenbro's post) is about trying to understand *exactly* what's going on. The rule on building on protected land is this: it's NOT strictly prohibited but LL will return stuff they think is a nuisance. You asked in your OP, "What can I do about it?" The answer might be nothing since your neighbor did nothing wrong. The answer might be AR or file a support case because your neighbor is clearly in the wrong. You asked that question here, but I don't know what to tell you because I don't know *exactly* what's happening.

I'm going to pull out a sentence from the OP: “He recently changed the build and that's when it slopped way over onto Linden land in front of my house.” There's two things here. One is “way over onto Linden land.” Obviously that means they're overhanging prims onto Linden owned land. The phrase “way over” suggests that it's by a significant amount but is still ambiguous. The other thing is “in front of my house.” It's unclear to me exactly what that means. I made the following graphic to illustrate different possibilities. Red lines are property lines. Blue is Linden water. Purple are objects owned by one resident. Yellow are objects owned by another resident. Green is resident owned land and if there's no objects, it's abandoned land. For the sake of scale, lets say both Purple and Yellow have 64m x 32m land. Scenario 1: Purple is in front and has bought the view. I don't believe in build height restrictions here. They should be allowed to build tall even if it blocks Yellow's view. Also, Purple has a few small docks. Yes, they overhang onto Linden land, but in my experience and opinion, LL would allow them to stay. Scenario 2: The same as 1 except that Purple has put a couple of docks in front of the abandoned land. This might be ok, but I wouldn't be surprised if LL removed them. Scenario 3: The same as 2 except that Purple has now added a bunch of boats that extend way out over the water. That's really pushing it. And if it happens to be that just beyond the tip of the boats is resident owned land, then the boats would be blocking the Linden channel and they definitely should be removed. Scenario 4: The same as 1 except that Purple and Yellow are side-by-side. In this case, the docks would still be not a problem and would remain. Scenario 5: The same as 4 except that Purple placed some docks directly in front of Yellow's land. That's not right and they should be removed. This is very similar to 2 except that they're placed in front of land that's owned and being used rather than abandoned land. Scenario 6: The same as 5 except that Purple added their bunch of boats. This is clearly not acceptable and should be removed. Some are saying that OP should leave the other resident alone because OP has no business dictating what the other the resident does with their land. Some are saying that OP should definitely AR the overhangs because that's wrong. Peronally, I don't know where I stand because I don't know which scenario most closely matches what's actually happening.

A note regarding building on Linden owned protected land: In the knowledge base, the article for Protected Land says: Warning: Build on protected land or in the skies above it at your own risk! If another Resident reports your build, or if it hampers the use of Second Life, it may be returned without notice. In other words, it's not strictly prohibited but LL will remove stuff if it's causing an issue. For example, you can make your driveway prims line-up with the road prims but, on the other hand, you can't build walls and such straight across the road.

Dillon Levenque wrote: I still say there should be only two classifications: Adult and G/PG/NotAdult/Whatever. I disagree with this. I think there should be G/PG for a Disney-like safe area for kids and grannies. I think there should be A for wide-open, in-your-face, near-anything-goes adult/pornographic content. And, I think there should be M for the middle ground between the two. In M land you can use profane language, have erotic art and other content indoors, and even have a sex-bed indoors. For most people though, this would not be the main reason for being in SL. So this is for people who don't mind sexual content at all but just don't want to be flanked on all sides by sex shops and clubs.

Were you bullied? - Yes Was she right? - Depends on what part of the TOS you read. The TOS links to Maturity Ratings which is what Dillon was quoting and that makes it seem likes she's right. However, the Maturity Ratings link to the Adult Content FAQ which includes this: What does "behind closed doors" mean? Adult activity on Moderate land must be conducted "behind closed doors," meaning that you must make every reasonable effort to ensure that the parcel is private. This means: Allow only a group or specific individuals access to the parcel. If it is group-access only, the group must not be freely open to join. Hide avatars (turn off avatar visibility) for the parcel. Enclose the area behind walls or other visual barriers. That makes it seem like she's in the wrong. Did you handle it the wrong way? - It was easy for you to move your skybox and she hasn't given you any more grief since the move. I'd say while you shouldn't have had to move your skybox you probably defused the situation the quickest and easiest way and it's hard to argue with that. edit: grammar fix.

Colossal Cave :matte-motes-big-grin-squint: https://www.dio.com/places/colossal-cave/show

Thanks Mudshark! :matte-motes-big-grin: Love the little monument. Very Cool! :matte-motes-sunglasses-1: I'm still chipping away at the other challenge. It's a toughie. :matte-motes-smile: