Couldbe Yue

the only thing I haven't tried is to put the magic box back up and put the old object back into it to see if it will link up with the old and now corrupt listing. I'd say it's unlikely to work but apart from that, I can't think of anything else to do as the fix appears to require the dba to clear the table holding that thumbnail and description

Madeliefste Oh wrote: But I am curious what causes that someone makes this choice. What thoughts or feelings are behind it? I've wondered that for a long time, it's certainly not to make friends with their previous customers if they've dumped the stuff for free and it's certainly not in solidarity with other sellers because they should be aware how hard it is to turn a profit in here. The only good thing about some of the older items being given away is that people may grab them but will soon move up to something more modern and less prim intensive.. or that at least should be the theory. If you look at all those freebies that were floating around back in 2006, there would be very few of them that you'd even rez for more than a minute now.

sorry love, I remember reading your original post the other day but didn't refresh my memory before I made that last comment. I actually don't think there are any commerce devs left which is why it's slowly degrading. They might occasionally drag someone in from the sl dev teams who has heard of spree and therefore is the most qualified to attempt a bodge fix but I'd say that's it. I have noticed down the last few months that the support peeps are less able to help than before - from a cryptic comment made during one of my with live help, I gather that the dweebs who call themselves developers are so precious that they think that anything the support peeps tell them should be ignored and support is actively discouraged from bothering those precious little snowflakes. (the extrapolation and words are mine - the sentiment (without the snideness) was the support persons). LL is the antithesis of quality and service, I don't blame you for finally reaching a breaking point - you join a long line of people who have. The only other thing I can suggest is you drop a notecard inworld on one of the commerce team (I assume there must be at least one left) and see if you can get help that way. Otherwise, I can't think of anything else to do apart from close your marketplace if you feel that strongly - but as you say, even if you take everything down those listings will still be there. You can't win.

have you tried submitting a ticket with a screenshot of the offending item and asking for it to be removed? my other stores had theirs removed after I listed them on the jira but I think that they've probably closed that, so a ticket might work.

If you look at the tos for the marketplace (on the wiki somewhere) you'll notice that nowhere does it guarantee features, functionality or quality in the software. It really is a "take it as it is and suck it up" service. Amateur hour writ large but while we continue to use it and pay them for the privilege, they'll continue to provide us with sub standard offerings. That's the nature of this beast.

I have one corrupt listing that had vanished but now seems to be back. I think I'll keep it as my store mascot.

the example is more like.. the customer buys a car from a dealership and pays the dealer the dealer delivers the car and gives the customer their money back when the car manufacturer asks for payment, the dealer tells them to contact the customer themselves as they have nothing to do with it. I'd say it's against the law in california for a company to behave like that but LL has always given the impression that it cared little for exhibiting rl responsible corporate behaviour. It's never been any different, I've always thought that dealing with LL is like dealing with a drug dealer - you pay your money and you take your chances and you can never rely on them not to rip you off if they can. It's always been the price of doing business with LL.

It's a very rare case where everything is removed and iirc, the DMCA process asks you to name the accounts you want the asset removed from. This has always been a problem for people like stroker et al as their stuff was ripped and distributed free but LL would never remove the items from those who picked up the freebies, just the distributor. Unless this dude gives you the list of names he's sold it to (you can ask, you never know) then all you can do is put his name on the DMCA and put something like "and any others who purchased it from this account" and hope LL play nice.

I remember what you did last time and I suppose my point is that it might be used as a work around for this. There's something in the viewer I think that is partially or wholly contributing to the problem, I know that some people managed to fix it by flipping the viewer language to english and I had to once log out of the mp account on IE and log in again in firefox to get it to work.. (logging in with IE didn't fix it) so I'm just wondering if somehow the oubox processing has become corrupted on these viewers and so a replacement might work - or not.. it's grasping at straws but since LL don't seem to want to fix this problem, the only thing we have is straws.

Cerise Sorbet wrote: Jen Oskan wrote: My merchant outbox stucks in initializing , i also cant use DD. Stuck in the initializing state is a whole different problem. If on Windows or Mac you can try viewer roulette an might get lucky. On Linux the viewer needs to be patched up with old SSL and crypto libraries, because the ones LL ships on that platform don't actually work with their viewer. Have you had a guinea pig with the initialising problem delete the merchant outbox and replace it? or isn't straightforward enough to do?

you've got a very interesting account there hotwax - two stores that are sort of under the same account name yet you have different store names - neither of which have any items, yet you seem to have a pick in your profile that links to your inworld store. what I really find interesting is how you created a store with the name hotwax.resident as resident shouldn't show anywhere (as the name doesn't when you go to https://my.secondlife.com/hotwax.resident) I've never seen that problem before. Did you have to get LL to sort it out for you? sigh, I really should just go inworld and do some work rather than jigging around on the interwebs

Pamela Galli wrote: I just wish people over the age of five would learn the meaning of the words "It's not fair!". Hint: It does not mean "I don't like it!". 1 user agrees I have to say, the temptation to see if I can goad him into apoplexy is strong but I am resisting it.

Darrius Gothly wrote: Damien, I have a small favor to ask. Please reread your post carefully before you hit the Post or Update button. Every time you make a small edit and update it, I receive an email with your full post. Of your past two posts, I have received close to 20 separate emails. It's not a big problem, but it does generate a LOT of emails, each one only very slightly different than the previous one. Thank you. somehow I don't think he was listening there's a lot to be said for only getting the daily round up email.

FWIW, I have a vague recollection of agreeing that one of the LL peeps could log in with one of my accounts for some reason that I've now completely forgotten. So, despite having doubts about the voice and the chat element of it, certainly the LL employee logging in rings true but only the account holder knows if they gave permission or not. If they didn't then they certainly do need to contact LL for clarification. As for dealing with LL and kink, I've always thought that anyone who hangs around sl long term has a very deep streak of masochism. Hey Ho

Nalates Urriah wrote: If being in SL isn't worth $100 to $500 for computer upgrades that will carry you 3 to 7 years... I'm not sure why the rest of us should be held back for those people... If I have a choice between "those people" and your kind of person, I'll take them thanks. I have no desire for sl to decline anymore than it has and certainly making SL basement boy material will do that.

Czari Zenovka wrote: Want to clarify that in no way was my post a bid for a handout or money. It was hard enough to accept that I needed to go on disability...not sure my pride could take that hit, but it is an amazing thought on your part. This would be a gift from people* who still want you around. so, your options are: contact goodwill and see if they have anything to offer and get a price tell us what your system spec is and we can see if we can price a low cost upgrade for you nosey around craiglist and see if anyone is giving something away and hopefully one of your family will take you over there to get it. price a new pc and we'll try to find us an events manager (my people skills don't survive actual contact with people) and once you're back with a decent bit of kit we'll round up some peeps and have a look and a talk about your store to see if we can optimise it a bit to generate a bit more income for you. *aka those filthy internet perverts that the relative of yours has no time for.

Thanks for the info Did a bit of googling and found this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE2 If I'm reading it right SSE2 was introduced in 2004. Which means that by 2006 almost all new pcs should have had the capability. Anything older than that may be problematical. I did a little more digging and found this app http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html it can tell if your cpu supports SSE2 and can therefore handle any of the other viewers. It's looks eyewatering but the only thing you need to do is install it and run it and on the cpu tab there's a field called instructions (you'll see it on the first picture on the page, the field is around the middle of the tab page.) If that has SSE2 in it then you can move on to a new viewer. If not, then you are going to have to look at updating your cpu. The good news is that appears to be all you need to update and it should be cheap - assuming you can find a cpu to upgrade with.

I'm the same, for a lot of the pure building stuff I can still use Phoenix as couldbe goes nowhere. It will only be for setting the animations,pics and the merchant outbox that I'll need to use FS. When the time comes I will do a nosey at the others as FS's UI is based on LLs v2 and is decidedly user unfriendly with all those extra mouseclicks and broken bits and I don't know if I can face using it full time. I really don't need a lot of the features it has.

Dartagan Shepherd wrote: Couldbe Yue wrote: Dartagan Shepherd wrote: For what it's worth, I believe that the only redeeming value that SL has ever had is to provide the ability for people to earn an income. I'll disagree with you there, SL has always been a place that gives people a chance to touch the stars. (and not in the dirty way you lot are probably thinking.. tsk!) Ouch! Last I heard adult regions are gaining during the decline (up to 13% adult regions), so can you blame me for an impure thought or two? It leads me to romance as a guess, but that's not an SL exclusive, and neither is creativity or art. I'm either coming up empty or intentionally feigning ignorance. I'd never blame you for an impure thought :matte-motes-kiss: To me, SL has never cared about what you look like, your socio-economic status, education or any thing else, it's always been a place where you can only really be judged on what you say, how you behave and what you do. The icing on top of that is that it gives everyone the potential to be whatever they want. It's not just about money, it's about achieving things that you didn't even know you were interested in or ever could do. Social or physical isolation are as irrelevant in here as anything else to do with meatspace. If you can log in, there's a good chance you can take your dreams (or develop new dreams) and run with them. That's the magic this place offers. To quote Oscar Wilde "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."

As most of you should know, Phoenix is on notice. In around 8 weeks it's not longer going to work well enough for anyone to use*. Whether you like it or not, you're going to have to move on if you want to stay in SL. I know it's a pain but there's really no choice any more. For those of you who have hardware problems and haven't even upgraded to phoenix with mesh because it didn't work, you're a bit stuck but their might be options still. After asking people who know, the viewer of choice for low spec machines appears to be Cool VL Viewer v1.26.4. The added bonus of course is that you'll have a merchant outbox too, which means you can finally consider moving over to DD. So, the first thing I suggest you do is download the viewer and give it a run. Hopefully it will work for you and keep you going in sl for a while yet. If it doesn't then post what happened here and how it didn't work and let's see if we can work out if it really is your hardware or perhaps it just needs a bit of a tweak in the settings to get you through. Secondly, like the other thread, this one will probably end up with inappropriate, rude comments from people who don't seem to have very good people skills. Just ignore any of those comments as they're not relevant, it's just people feeling the need to mouth an opinion. If Cool VL does help, it would be nice if you posted here too - particularly if you had to tweak it a bit to get it to work, just so we can get some feedback. (*strictly speaking that's not true as if you don't need to see avatars as anything other than a cloud and don't care if others can't see you, then you can still use it but that's not a lot of us)

Dartagan Shepherd wrote: For what it's worth, I believe that the only redeeming value that SL has ever had is to provide the ability for people to earn an income. I'll disagree with you there, SL has always been a place that gives people a chance to touch the stars. (and not in the dirty way you lot are probably thinking.. tsk!)

Czari Zenovka wrote: But at least Medhue, Gadget, Porky, and apparently Drake will be happy to not have to see my Luddite presence here. you're not going anywhere yet lovey. can you pc stand an upgrade or do you need a whole new box? I'm not geeky enough to get the technicalities of it all but I think you're missing this SSE (?) function on one of your bits of hardware (I have a friend who builds my pc around what graphics card I need so the rest of it is an unfathomable mystery to me). Drop me a line with your system specs and I'll go over to slu and ask the anoraks there what they suggest and then we'll see what your options are.

I still use phoenix and will continue to use it until it finally gives up the ghost. I don't want to have to spend time downloading, configuring and then testing each of the viewers on offer until I absolutely have to. I have better things to do with my time and I'll think you'll find that most people who haven't switched yet (barring those with the true hardware issues who can't get anything else to work) feel the same. SL is an entertainment platform, not some kind of torture chamber where you have to spend most of your time jigging around with stuff that should be irrelevant to the entertainment you seek. It's bad enough that people have to be more technically adept than should need to be just to get around SLs broken features and technical limitations, without making them also go shopping for a new viewer with all the learning curve that brings.

The last figure I heard for phoenix logins was around 30% and that was a few months ago. Of course a percentage of those logins have the same human behind them and apparently not even LL knows the absolute number of individual peeps behind those logins. I don't think ragequit! will be the issue here but for people who haven't moved because they saw no reason to and are detaching themselves from sl anyway, it could be the last straw. If we're lucky people will either move to the other phoenix like v1 UI tpv's or will upgrade to Firestorm or the others. It's quite possible that some people won't be able to run anything but phoenix but I gather that the vast majority of those on older hardware should be able to move to one of the others without too much grief - the only problem will be that they may lose some features they had in phoenix. We'll find out in around 2 months when it happens I suppose. The only good thing about people being less engaged with sl as the years have gone on is that the howls in the forums and groups should be pretty muted this time round.

I just checked that rss feed for my store and interestingly, despite them all appearing when I put the feed in the browser, when I put it in a feed reader none of the items rated adult come down. I assume because by some magic it knows I'm logged in when i use the browser but in the reader it doesn't.. just a fyi, you never know when the info will come in handy. eta: doh! it's because the feed is set to mature I think.. interesting that the web page didn't pick that up