Yoki Enoch

Jenni Darkwatch wrote: ~shrug~ choice is good. If you don't like Viewer 2, simply don't use it. Plenty of v1 viewers out there - until mesh hits the grid, anyway. Then it'll get interesting "Interesting?" Oh yes, you have that right.

Innula Zenovka wrote: BayleeSimone wrote: If I have to take a class to figure it out, it is too complicated. I dunno. Phoenix is a very popular viewer, of course, despite the fact they offer frequent classes, "Phoenix 101", in how best to use it. That suggests to me a fair number of people must feel in need of assistance in figuring it out. Oh boy. LL dares not reveal that Viewer 2.x needs a post-graduate degree to learn how to use it. Forget "Viewer 2.x 101".

Charolotte Caxton wrote: Right, Yoki. A Linden implemented mandatory change will spell the end of SL. We've never heard that before. You mean the mandatory implementation of some type of universal standard that is going to make content, usability and stabilization much better is on its way? Run residents, run. Harold Camping, I am not. LOL! No it will not be the end of SL, but the decline will be severe enough that more Linden staff lay-offs will be necessary. Recovery from the drop in concurrency that mandatory use of Viewer 2.x will cause, will be long and tedious. I won't be here to see it, I can assure you.

valerie Inshan wrote: There is no reason why LL should get rid of Viewer 2 because some users dislike it. You are free to choose a third party viewer from the list here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory "Some" users dislike it? ROTFLMAO. Watch what happens when Viewer 2.x is made mandatory... time to update your resumes, Lindens.

Hailey Maesar wrote: Hello everyone, im interested in renting some shops in high traffic areas for selling shoes. im wondering if any of ya'll know some good places for shoe sales. if ya have any advice, plz let me know Yes, find where your competition is, and set up shop right beside them, if possible.

Darius Dionne wrote: In theory I am a big fan of SL's ambitions, being a 3d internet platform. But really, how can you fail more than Second Life has? It's beyond a joke. How can you ever hope to attract the mainstream people if the product continues to be extremely laggy and buggy, year after year. Even though broadband speed and computers keep getting faster and better, SL keep getting slower and more buggy. It's Moore's law in reverse! I find that truly amazing. The SL client I had 5 years ago was more stable and a lot faster than the one I currently have with my 10x better computer. SL was hyped in all the media a few years ago and it failed to grab that opportunity to become something mainstream. Now from what I can see, it's failing to keep it's existing userbase with continious extreme laggy and buggy performance. SIM's that used to be very popular are now more or less empty. So, is SL the epic fail in the internet world? Discuss! I have been on SL for almost 4 years and in my experience, have found it to be greatly improved over that time. If you are using Viewer 2.x, that is your problem. Drop the darn thing and get another Viewer. If you aren't using Viewer 2.x, then I have no advice to you as to how to find how stable SL really is.

Loki Eliot wrote: In the past Private Island Landlords bought Full sims with the intent to make costs back via rentals of Parcels for private land and shopping space. I have witnessed across many Regions amongst my friends that shop space rentals are in decline as is interest in renting land for homes. I have a few ideas of why this is. 1) Market Place is taking away the need to have an inworld shop. 2) Linden Homes are out pricing private region land. This is leaving us with an inability to sustain the Private Island Tier. Rodvik has said there are no plans to change the pricing structure so what are possible ways to counter this changed economy? It has always been hard for private regions, except for a short sprint in 2006-2007. Since then, there has been a glut of land everywhere in SL - Estate and Mainland. There are also natural upturns and downturns throughout the year which have always made it hard. The key to success for any venture in SL is common to the Internet in general - find a way to drive traffic to your location, and when the traffic is there, ensure that your location is interesting enough for visitors to stay, and spread the word to others. Once you have hit the right formula, it will take at least two months until you can reap the financial benefits. If and when LL can find a way to improve the overall concurrency, which has been declining steadily since the advent of Viewer 2.x, one simply has to put up with this overall downturn.

Canoro Philipp wrote: we cant say that viewer 1 is a masterpiece of software either. it allows you to render a virtual world, with a very colorful interface, and lots of options on the screen, your experience in software should tell you its not one of the best designed software ever done. software will always have a possibility of improving it, and the work i see the Lab doing has improved many things, many pass unnoticed but the ones who follow the development close knows that the user experience is continuously improving. I agree, Viewer 1 not a masterpiece. However, at its basis, it was well thought out, unlike Viewer 2, whose designers had not a clue - it was almost as if they were designing a browser, rather than a viewer. The designers were most definitely NOT users of SL, and that was a major software development error. I truly believe that if the Lab wants to find out why concurrency is on such a long downward trend, it just needs to look at Viewer 2.x and when it was introduced.

Gunnar Korobase wrote: What ever happened to the Second Life in a Web browser project? I don't see this anymore and old links just go to the Join SL page.. ? It looks like LL's new Basic Viewer was the compromise - instead of using a browser, just dumb down Viewer 2.x - brilliant in theory.

Canoro Philipp wrote: the thing is that search is never going to get fixed. even Google, the most important search engine of the web thinks its search engine needs improvement. if Google that is one of the biggest companies specialized in search cant come out with a perfect search engine, we cant expect from Linden Lab to develop it when their speciality is virtual worlds. about you leaving because you have to use other viewer is like not being able to enter to your house because the door is different, is not the form to access that is valuable, its what you are accessing that is. if the form of accessing was the most valuable thing about Second Life, you would just log in with the viewer, stand in whatever place, admiring the menus and the icons of the interface. I disagree on both counts. First of all, search in the Viewer 1.x software, although not perfect by any means, is way better than in the Viewer 2.x system. That is fact. Secondly, since part of my RL job is to adapt to new software constantly, my distain for Viewer 2.x has nothing to do with not willing to change. In my expert opinion, and I have one when it comes to software, Viewer 2.x at its basis is very poorly designed. It is an inferior product, to put it mildly. For an organization like Linden Lab that is essentially an IT company, to accept the gross inadequacies of Viewer 2.x is shameful. It makes me lose confidence in LL. I simply will NOT go inworld again with an inferior product such as Viewer 2.x. I gave it a good try 3 different times last year. That was enough. I will try and compromise in some way when Viewer 2.x becomes essential. I am hoping that one of the TPV will be better. Who knows.

leliel Mirihi wrote: Yoki Enoch wrote: leliel Mirihi wrote: 343 How far off am I? ETA: some of those may be mainland sims. You are off by almost 15% even with mainland sims included. Probably because on v2 you can't just search for land, you have to type in some string to search for. Stupid idea who ever thought of it. Anyway would you settle for a v1 viewer that uses v2 search? I'm shure some TPV will do it, tho with mesh and xmpp just around the corner it won't keep you around for long. If you say no then I'm sorry to say but you'll probably be leaving pretty soon. Hi Liliel: I do thank you for your attempt at the test. It was much appreciated. When the ax does eventually come, I will attempt to find some sort of compromise. However, remaining in a virtual word wherein the technology is getting worse, really does not sit well with me. At this point, considering that Linden Lab doesn't even realize what a downgrade Viewer 2.x really is, and that its new CEO has obviously not clued in and probably never will, it would be futile remaining. I will deeply regret losing all the friendships I have made inworld though.

Ciaran Laval wrote: You are going to have to come over to the darkside in some form eventually, viewer 1 type searches will be binned one day. Yes, and I have mixed feelings about that, because that will be the day I leave SL.

leliel Mirihi wrote: 343 How far off am I? ETA: some of those may be mainland sims. You are off by almost 15% even with mainland sims included.

Ishtara Rothschild wrote: Define "fixed". Search has been a borked and gamed mess ever since the accumulated "All" search was introduced, and the new maturity ratings and viewer 2 related changes only made things worse. So... which of the many bugs and issues are you talking about? Some parcels not showing up in search? G- and M-rated content that only shows up if you enable adult content as well? All classifieds showing up instead of the relevant ones only, which often happens if you search for adult content? No classifieds showing at all? The completely irrelevant search results, thanks to keyword spam? The messed up ranking? Tiny parcels with two vendors being ranked above giant sims with tons of search-relevant content? The massive gaming with traffic bots and "models", paid profile picks and whatnot? LOL! I think you answered my question already, and it seems to be in the negative. Regardless, the following is one aspect of search, as a test. Can anyone, using Viewer 2.x, determine as of today, how many estate sims (65536 sqm), are up for "sale"/lease in the market. Earlier today I found that number using good ole reliable Viewer 1.23 which I still use. Those who use Viewer 2.x exclusively, who can give me that number for April 14, 2011, will get a prize. (with my tongue pressed firmly in the right cheek of my mouth).

If the search function on Viewer 2.x has been fixed, I may try Viewer 2.x. again - this would be my fourth time trying it. But if it hasn't been fixed, then I won't bother. Does anyone know if the search in Viewer 2.x is fixed now? Thanks.

Opensource Obscure wrote: Yoki Enoch wrote: Most other viewers are far better at handling pretty much anything that Viewer 2.x handles or doesn't handle. This is simply false. Users who have issues should be be aware of such misleading and imprecise suggestions. Current version 2.6 and 2.0 of the official Viewer are so different that such a comment about "Viewer 2.x" doesn't make any sense and only shows bias against the new interface. It seems that the author doesn't bother to follow development of Viewer 2.x. Such a comment doesn't mention that 1.x viewers lack a number of features (shared media, multi-wearables, location bar, favorites and others) - this is holding back Second Life's development. Such a comment doesn't take into account how the underlying code has been refactored. We users don't see this, but ask Phoenix and Imprudence developer teams why they're building 2.x - based alternative viewers. 2.x - based viewers aren't perfect and can be improved. They have a future. 1.x viewer aren't perfect either (anyone using Phoenix and losing stuff from Inventory?...) but they don't have a future. Enjoy your obsolete, feature-lacking viewers while you can and keep blaming Viewer 2. Having something to blame other than our choices doesn't resolve bugs, but can be rewarding and satisfying. I gave Viewer 2.x three good tries last year, at various stages of its development. Each time I simply gave up because it simply is a poorly designed Viewer at its very foundation. I have no trouble adapting to change or mastering new software - it is good part of my job in RL, and I have had a lot of experience and apptitude in so doing. But I do know a poorly designed piece of software, and Viewer 2.x is in that category. I will not try to use it again because 3 times is enough. When it gets to the point wherein all users must use Viewer 2.x, I will then bow out of SL. Linden Lab had better smarten up really quickly, because I do know as a fact, that I am not the only one who has this attitude towards Viewer 2.x.

Hitomi Tiponi wrote: Yoki Enoch wrote: Most other viewers are far better at handling pretty much anything that Viewer 2.x handles or doesn't handle. Viewer 2.x was perhaps the most poorly designed viewer to have ever come into existence for use in SL. Just read the other posts here - nothing but problems people are having with Viewer 2.x. Or that could just be because those who have problems are more likely to be posting on this type of thread. As they should be.

Linden Lab has had about a year to fix the broken search function in Viewer 2.x. It has not done so because either it can't or it does not think it is important. From my understanding as to how things work at Linden Lab, if some of the programming staff think something is not important, they will not fix it. There needs to be a really big shake up of Linden Lab staff structuring and decision making. This is the one of the major tasks the new CEO needs to address. Unfortunately, I doubt the new CEO even realizes how serious a problem this really is.

"Are the other viewers any better at managing such things?" Most other viewers are far better at handling pretty much anything that Viewer 2.x handles or doesn't handle. Viewer 2.x was perhaps the most poorly designed viewer to have ever come into existence for use in SL. Just read the other posts here - nothing but problems people are having with Viewer 2.x.

I get the impression that LL staff would prefer to use other social network media to communicate with its customers. LL staff do not regard SL as a social media network, so it seems. So perhaps they could communicate with you through Facebook or maybe twitter - LL staff love those things you know.

Suspiria wrote: Eric Castanea wrote: Please think of your customers, LL. Give us a choice not to use it. Don't force it on us. LL is not forcing viewer 2 on its customers. There are many options each person can decide upon. :smileywink: For now, LL is not forcing Viewer to on us. In time, it will have no choice. When that time comes, just watch what will happen to concurrency levels then.

WCMedows wrote: One thing missing from Second Life is that there is no social network! Keep posting like this, and you will become the next Linden Lab employee.

Ainsley Dorben wrote: Hi there! Im interested to buy an old SL account with a female name, cause I dont like the Resident last name. Thanks! Such a transacation is against the Terms of Service.

Suspiria Finucane wrote: I have no problems whatsoever using viewer 2. It's a dream. A dream? Perhaps for you. For most who use it, it is kind of a dream, known as a nightmare.

Suspiria Finucane wrote: Yoki Enoch wrote: Most people hate Viewer 2 still. Give them time to fill up this forum with another wave of creative dissing of the worst thing LL has ever introduced - Viewer 2. I do bet that LL has not the guts to put up another poll about Viewer 2 though... LOL! Same thread bare debate...Can you show any official documentation that most people hate Viewer 2? What official documentation that existed, was removed. The challenge to conduct another official poll, will not be met by LL, since it knows what the results will be.