emilia Avindar

May 30, 2019

It's hard to be happy about this. I recently renewed Quarterly, so I'm "grandfathered" for that option, but for how long? While I've had multiple accounts until now to support Mainland tier, that will no longer be feasible.

Downgrading to Basic would be a painful option for me, forcing me to cut ties and toss memories, since half of my 60 groups are sentimental remnants of my ten year history here. Several are paid groups, for creator group discounts. To remain active in official Events, I already have to leave groups to participate. I've run out of groups I want to leave.

Offline IMs don't matter very much to me. Friends and associates will know and use my emails.

Even the 1024 premium tier option will be negligible to me, without additional paid alt accounts to contribute tier for Mainland, I don't expect to own any more.

This may drive more demand to Estates, however, I always preferred Mainland because I feel my no copy items are safer there. Yet I will continue to buy coin to pay rent in an Estate, but I will need to buy it in greater amounts, because the current service fee of 1.50 makes even a purchase of 10 US dollars 11.50, so a 5 USD impulse purchase will be cost prohibitive.

I do understand and get the message that SL is desperate to increase revenues; probably not because of Sansar failing to thrive, but more likely because the move to the Cloud is proving to be a great drain, although absolutely necessary rather than a return to server farms.

After all, it's our Sweet 16 Birthday, and for all practical purposes, we can't stay in the Nursery anymore.

Perhaps this is the year to re-brand as AfterLife.

Cheers, with a sparkling water!

/me looks around for more vices to give up, like medical care.

hahhaha

February 20, 2019

After a very long period of inactivity (had not logged into the avatar facebook since 2012), I decided to bring it back in 2018. I had the password, but met the same challenge as you. I could never get 3 people to validate me with a code, partly because they kept rotating the list, and also about half of the friends were no longer active.

I even contacted facebook help, several times in various ways, and basically offered to link my verified real life facebook, and provide more proof. I just continued to receive notifications that, after examination, the account was cleared of any concerns, but it never let me log straight in. It continued to challenge me over and over to get 3 approved friends to verify. I had definitely hit a wall. I even dug out the (very) old laptop that I used it on, per facebook's suggestion. Even though that may have helped verify my account, nothing changed.

The explanation was a history of attempted password hacks on the old avatar account. None ever succeeded, but someone hijacked my WW2 role play group due to long inactivity. Worse yet, they renamed it in another language of which I cannot begin to translate.

My actual original avatar page on facebook remains, and I simply follow it now with the new avatar facebook account. Frankly, since so many people are at least somewhat transparent, or have real life friends in their avatar facebook, I don't see much or any discrimination made by facebook in terms of helping you recover an account. Facebook would far rather err on the side of caution for all accounts. They very well know your shopping, browsing and chat from your various logins and may aggregate marketing info by using that. However, I never see any advertising on my "real life" facebook, and my ads and friend suggestions remain appropriate for the respective accounts.

I don't see any reason to think they limit the reach and full use of facebook by an "avatar" though. We are all avatars, especially on facebook; where you might say we are mental projections of ourselves. Facebook is interested in engagement, and not necessarily anchored by real names.

It was hard to give up on recovering my original facebook for emilia, but at the same time, I kind of like the demarcation.

October 23, 2018

12 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

With a bit more playing, I found out that it does, but doesn't appear to. I unfriended my alt and then she did Edit on the box and got the arrows and moved it around a bit. What I did not notice was that she also got a message in the upper right saying that she could not reposition it due to 'permission denied'. Since she was only moving the box a tiny bit, I did not realize it was bouncing back to the original location. After relogging, she didn't even get the arrows when she tried to edit, which is why I thought it was the relog that was making it take effect.

Awesome work, LittleMe! Thanks for the extra troubleshooting to nail down the answer, too. ?

October 23, 2018

Obviously, I'm a bit out of practice. It took me four attempts to actually capture a quote correctly. Thanks to all of you for the great answers, and helpful advice. ?

October 23, 2018

30 minutes ago, Lindal Kidd said:

Until you unfriend someone, you can check these abilities in your Friends list. To the right of your friends' names is a series of check boxes. By default, only the one with the "eye" symbol, "This person can see when I am online" is checked. There are boxes there for both "I can edit this person's objects" and "this person can edit my objects."

For best results, uncheck all boxes, THEN unfriend.

Thanks! Yes, i do see these visible for an alt, so it would only take a second to toggle it off.

I do not see a way to easily grant the "share and take my objects" in the SL Viewer. I don't see a way to even do it except to open up the full profile view in the pop up window, and grant them there under Settings > Permissions.

Of course, it's probably a good idea to not make it too easy to find, because these rights should not be given lightly. On the other hand, the unfriending often occurs in a sudden blur.

October 23, 2018

Thanks so much for actually checking this, LittleMe Jewell, and for verifying that the loss of the right does not actually disappear until the unfriended relogs.

Sorry, I meant to capture your quote:

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When you unfriend someone then their editing rights go away after they relog. I just checked this with an alt and she kept her editing rights on my stuff until she relogged.

October 23, 2018

Thanks, Solar Legion.

It is helpful to picture the perms shared between friends as part of a set of options only for friends, which makes it seem intuitive now that the shared object permissions would dissolve with the friendship.

That's a helpful way to understand it, thanks.

October 23, 2018

Yes, it would be ideal if the right to edit and take transfer objects were instantly revoked when friendship terminates. Thanks, Whirly Fizzle. It's easier to access inside the Firestorm Viewer, whereas I only find the view of permissions in the social profile for the official SL Viewer. Of course, you can open that inside the SL Viewer window, but it's sometimes slow to load for me.

October 22, 2018

When you give or offer "Permission to Edit or Take My Objects" to a friend, and then unfriend without reverting that permission, does the permission automatically reset to null? Let's suppose you are not able to speak to the person to verify that.

Also, how do you know if the person even accepted that offer, if you find yourself unfriended after offering the permission?

When you are no longer friends, there is no way to see if the permission persisted after the friendship ended, because you cannot see the perms detail on the social profile, even if you have the logged in view of it.

I would like assurance that shared permissions are revoked when the friendship is ended.

I've searched the Knowledge Base and forum, but find nothing about this. Thanks very much for any guidance.

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April 14, 2016

Aha! and Pamela Galli answered while I was typing away and gave the obvious, low fuss solution! I defer to her.

April 14, 2016

Hi Zylkie,

These are reasonable questions, and show you are giving thought to how permissions work. I'd say you are ready to delve into the best resource: Second Life Knowledge Base _ Managing Your Parcel

But to give you a couple of quick tips, be mindful that not only are objects rezzed under Group permissions, they may sometimes be rezzed under "anyone" permissions, depending on how the Parcel Owner sets this under the Objects tab of the Parcel.

Secondly, you either simply rezz the item (with or without Group tag selected) or you rezz and then Set and/or Deed to group. I would advise not to deed to a group any object that is precious to you. Only the person that sets deed to group can "undeed" it and the Parcel manager or Owner may eventually return all objects or specific objects. There are various ways you might lose an item if this happens, but if you merely rezzed with the group tag, your items are returnable unless the land is divided and leaves a shortage of prims for the particular parcel. That's just another way to lose objects.

Very simply, the Owner/manager may elect to "return all" of the objects that are specifically yours or return each one manually. If all are returned at once, it may look as if you only have one object returned by name in inventory, but if you look closely you will see the object is a cluster. You will need to rezz this in a sandbox where the prim count allows you to rezz the cluster because when rezzed it will be counted as the total sum of prim. Then you manually select the objects one by one to take back into inventory.

The only reason to set and deed an object to a group is to give Group members full permissions to use it, and perhaps more importantly, to move it. This will not give them permission to "take" it into personal inventory but it will allow editing it around to another location in the sim.

Another way to reclaim an object you rezzed when you don't feel welcome to go back onto the land is to view into the parcel from adjacent land. Anything you see with your viewer which you have rezzed, you can reclaim.

Of course, it is more polite to just request the Parcel Owner/manager to kindly return your objects, and again the main caution is not to set/deed a No-Copy (transfer only) object on Group land unless you are ok with sacrificing it if things go wrong.

Finally, there is that important detail; you will note that your objects are always Copy or No-Copy (Transfer Only.)

This is all very easy and intuitive after awhile, so enjoy your Second LIfe!

The Knowledge Base has lots of articles on every aspect of SL so add that to your reading. There may be even finer points or something obvious I haven't mentioned, which a helper or someone else can assist you with.

Best of Luck,

emilia Avindar

April 13, 2016

Thanks for the link to Ebbe's remarks. This helps me to relax and enjoy my land legs in SL because the Sansar concept makes my head spin.

Sansar will be "experience" married to whatever the avatar is--an account with capabilities, capacity, and tools to interact in the experience which is fleshed out in 3D according to the limits of the technology.

Maybe some experience will be granted at entry, and others will be acquired by payment, or points, who knows. Maybe there will be fly fishing or golfing or dancing. Whether that dancing will allow pairing up with someone else to "experience" a Dancing With the Stars routine is....probably the key to wild success of Sansar. It will mean merging two experiences into one and whether or not to allow for personalization. For example, how much gear will we ultimately wear? If I wear special slippers will I feel my dance partner step on my toes? *smiles*

However, there are two things that keep me coming back to Second Life. First of all, shopping--finding those perfect details (objects) to decorate a scene. After all, what are we building but electronic dioramas. And the other thing is the Land, the place that absorbs the time and creates memory and virtual experience that looks just like real places and real time spent when you look back a couple of years later.

Recently, I've taken the walk down memory lane to visit my old builds from memory. The are just as fresh and vivid as anyplace I've been in "reality." And is it any wonder? After all, the time spent and the "experience" lacked only smell and touch. The smell was generally an overheated laptop and the touch was as close as my fingers on the touchpad while flying a Corsair.

Sansar may very well change the world, eventually. Not just the virtual worlds, least of all the virtual worlds. Until and unless the chain chain chain of experience keys gives way to ownership of space for landlubbers like me, I will be staking my claim right here, on good ole Mainland.

And when I find the perfect lamp, it's warm glow will illuminate a reality that reads like a visual poem in the space I create. Sansar may let me sail the stars but Second Life lets me relax and listen to music.

Just my thoughts, but I miss the Moles too! Are there actually no moles now?? I've been gone awhile, and hadn't heard of this, although I knew Public Works was sidelined. Without moles, the Mainland could lose it's sense of humor!

February 7, 2014

Venus Petrov wrote:

We've got to give this dude a chance. Chill people.

Yes, by all means. I agree.

Thanks for your thoughts, Venus, and to all of you here for the dialogue.

February 7, 2014

Storm Clarence wrote:

If I were he I would not post here or to SLU.

I can assure you of one thing if he does decide to post and that is I will troll him to no end: golf, vampires, pixel sex, Microsoft, Yahoo, Harvard, Lee (no not LeeHere,) inter alia. There is no end to the words I will hurl his way. Welcome Ebbs.

PS And the fun part is, from reading this thread, I know I won't be alone.

PPS He came to LL to do a job, not waste his time posting to the forum just to appease your sorry asses.

LOL, Storm.

Exactly!

February 7, 2014

Treasure Ballinger wrote:

I think it means he shared your tweet, but why, rather than just come on over, lol. I don't tweet so the procedures of Twitter are over my head.

I only saw him retweet a couple of times, so if Perrie was "retweeted" he ought to be flattered!

As to why a new CEO would choose to have an introductory, "get to know me" session on Twitter, rather than here in a closed house, on a members only forum?

Well, it seems to me that would be to introduce himself in a "public" way, and since the entire history of Second Life has been about alts and the masquerade, why would he parade in here first?

I understand we might have expected a dashboard announcement that we have a new CEO, but at least Strawberry Singh announced it on the my.secondlife.com feed.

The forum is somewhere between roman baths and a shark tank. Twitter is global and public.

Thanks for your remarks, Treasure.

February 7, 2014

Canoro Philipp wrote:

i really hope he improve the communication of Linden Lab with its users, having no announcement of Rod leaving was a basic fail of communication, it was a very important event for Linden Lab and its users.

i have personal wishes like many of us, like bringing back last names, improve the marketplace, perfectionate search, i hope he can comply with the most reasonable wishes the users have, and more importantly, to get second life at pair with modern virtual worlds, and even more important, to surpass them with innovative ideas that none has even thought yet.

i wish all the best for Ebbe Altberg, and the best to Second Life under his managment.

Hi Canoro,

I have been following the thread, and appreciate everyone having something to say. Yes, if the name servers could be reconfigured to pull in a last name server, rather than the default "Resident", it might return something lost--a sense of community, and quirky uniqueness. When I began in SL, the last names were not only revealing and memorable, but they created many opportunities for chat. To this day, I remember the first Avindar I ever met!

My advice to Ebbe Altberg on Twitter was "keep; the lights on and the doors open" because it's all good (as long as the worlds are humming away on the server farms. Ten years here has shown that avatars are world creators and path finders. As builders, we are problem solvers and critical thinkers, breaking down barriers of difficulty by learning, doing, collaborating. I'm not much of a builder, and have not kept pace since mesh and new techniques, but I enjoy spending time and a little bit of coin here now and then, and blending the old with the new when I do build a space, or put together a new look.

As for the lack of communication when RH left, I can hardly blame the Lab. It almost seemed as if he left without communicating directly himself. Kind of like breaking up via Twitter, except it was Facebook, and we heard about it second hand (so Second Life.)

However, we have a new CEO, and he will need awhile to get the feel of this machine so he can drive it. Second Life is the big wheel driving the cuter, more compelling little wheels, and I would think he has a team of game developers eager to make him into a new RH, but he has a wider background, not simply game development but a sense of media and market reach--so he may re-cast Second Life into a more mainstream tool, if he gives it much focus at all.

After all, LL has done a good job of managing our vast, shared resources along with issues of privacy and securiity, virtual economy, and a beautiful product to behold although it uses alot of computer resources. Ideally, this platform would run on a laptop without it heating up, and why not have at least an app that shows our avatars on a windows phone, like with X-box.

Thanks again for your thoughts! I couldn't help sharing a few more of my own.

February 5, 2014

Thanks, Perrie,

Yes, I've followed it for a couple of weeks, but it seemed like a good time to start fresh.

However, thank you for linking that thread, but personally I don't care to hear about Rod Humble anymore.

February 5, 2014

Announcement on LL corporate site

Most recently prior to joining Linden Lab, Altberg was COO of BranchOut. Prior to that, he was part of the executive team at Yahoo!, most recently as SVP of Media Products. His more than 25 years of experience managing teams that create world-class products and services also includes leadership roles at Ingenio (acquired by at&t Interactive) and Microsoft.

And, as Strawberry Singh first announced on the trending wall, he is making some remarks and being welcomed on twitter.

I think he has a friendly face, open and intelligent in a good way.

:)

January 25, 2014

The only sign of official acknowledgement that I've seen is that he is no longer on the Linden Lab site as CEO. The highest Officer listed is CFO.

Since the Quarterly and Annual Reports were nixed a couple of years ago, there is not much to go on. Three years is a typical run for a CEO at this size company. Either they move on due to their success or lack thereof.

Rod Humble's objective was clearly in making Linden Lab into a creative company, and not so much about Second Life, the sacred cow, and perhaps not the cash cow it has been.

December 7, 2012

Yes, you need to be logged into the viewer, but under your land group Info, click on Members. As you scroll down the list you will see who donates tier and how much beside their name. As far as i know, you won't see any history of who no longer does, but just the real time view of tier donations at the time of login. Hope this helps.

December 6, 2012

Thank you and everyone for your thoughts, please drop in to "The Outands" anytime, because all of Clyde is welcoming, and as you know, some of it is for sale.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Clyde/185/64/38

December 6, 2012

YE, exactly, IvanTwin! A couple of years ago, when land was selling at higher prices, i decided to play with the price of a 512 parcel that was not moving. It was the only parcel for sale in several regions thereabouts, and had ideal location. I set it down to 2500linden and an av set down behind me and i didn't even see it. I was already in the About Land tabs trying to set the price back to 3500 when my objects came flying back.

When i closed the About Land tab, i saw a scrawny, silent figure hovering mindlessly--the new owner, a "landbot"... and despite that these are arguably still "real" people, all evidence was that it did not speak when spoken to and had no purpose other than teleporting to and buying land.

In that case, i just accepted that i found the bottom of land pricing on that continent at that time. Looking back, it was not like i was robbed at all, but it would be awful to be trying to set land for sale and have some kind of distraction or mis-type, because YES, they are so swift to the site, you cannot undo it fast enough to stop the sale. I'm glad if you had a good outcome on your event.

When i was truly a noob, and when land was sometimes posted to the US Dollars bidding board, i had a little problem the first time i ever used the Auction board that the Lindens did respond to immediately. For that and a couple of other small assists, i will always be grateful. I'm pretty sure that great Customer Service kept me in SL and in the land game, where it would be easy to get totally frustrated. People always respond better when there is a perception of fairness. So, when i learn a hard lesson, i am also quick to share it because i like to prevent someone else from learning the hard way! Thanks so much for your thoughts.

December 6, 2012

Thank you, Qui, fascinating information about Clyde and the Outlands wall. Wow! i never knew that, thank you. So Clyde pre-existed Jessie, completely, and was the original Outlands? Outstanding, hehehe...no wonder a handful of people have always wanted these parcels. I believe the parcel that just auctioned had always been held by the original owner, not sure what happened there because i had not seen that parcel go up for sale prior to hitting auction status. However, most abandoned land is now converted to sale immediately inworld. I suppose this one was put to auction to give the public more of a chance at it.

Thank you also, Qui, for the links to the sl maps site and the history of Old Mainland. Now i am thinking i will rename my park land to The Outlands!

As for that proxy bid issue, yes by all means, set the proxy bid to as high as you are willing to pay, but forget trying to game the System by setting it high enough to win, because that is a dangerous game. Don't set the proxy to a thousand dollars and not expect someone to keep climbing up to test it. What a game of nerves, wow. In cases of such coveted land, it might be better if the Lab just puts it up for sale at a fat price to all comers--posting that land at 10 linden per square meter would have yielded them a net sale of 40,000 linden, or $161 US Dollars as i write this. If no buyer comes forward in a reasonable interval, then drop it to 8L per square meter, and so on.

Then let it be a Watcher's Game, but a fair one that everyone can observe!

December 6, 2012

Thanks for that, IvanTwin,

How do i prove they used a bot?? While it seems likely that superhumans are bidding at the last moment, based on my experience, i have no way to detect it. Can LL detect a macro is used by a bidder? Customer Service told me there is really nothing that can be done once the Auction is closed.

December 6, 2012

Hello Phil, yes it's called your proxy amount--after a couple of bidding rounds, i raised it to 20,000 Linden but i remained the winning bid at considerably less than that until 11:57am. At the last moment, my pangs of potential defeat made me try to raise it quickly to a bit higher, and while that would have been an emotional bid, it would have possibly left me the winner of the parcel. However, i am told elsewhere that the winner probably used a bot to generate the winning bid anyway. Does anyone know anything about this? And would such a macro be able to generate bids at the last moment? I fear a macro could in fact test the winning bid without taking the big proxy bid steps most of us use when we really want to win. It is true that your proxy bid may be ridiculously high and yet you win at a much lower price because no other bidder comes forward to test it, or at least not in the time it would take to attempt all those small steps.

However, this is not the first time i have lost at the last moment, and it does make me wonder if the landflippers use macros to outbid at the last moment. If anyone has any knowledge of this practice, i ask you to comment here, because perhaps there needs to be a corrective action.

SUGGESTION--**LIMIT THE BIDDING INTERVAL TO ONE BID PER PARCEL PER HOUR** ...this would not keep the bidder from bidding at the last moment, but it would force them to bid in ONLY ONE STEP, not to use a macro to climb up to the winning proxy bid. This would encourage each bidder to give a reasonable proxy bid to stay in the bidding, so that it is not a robot's game at 11:57am SLT.

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