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  1. Perrie Juran wrote: All you asked about was advertising. Advertising involves Trade Mark, not Copyright. So if all you were doing was putting up signs with pictures and the like it wouldn't be a problem. LL makes no claims on Trade Marks. Which would be why we may not have thought this was an issue. To be honest i don't feel comfortable to talk about my business in public but you right and i should come out with few more details e.g. i should use term marketing instead of advertising (my mistake). Because of this accept my apology for the confusion and it was not my intention to blame anyone just at that moment i found it strange that no one mentioned pretty important part of LL ToS (in the event someone misinterpreted my post). In any case it is clear that Second Life is not good for what i was looking and frankly i find it surreal that any company would agree with LL rules.
  2. Unexpectedly i got "help" from LL to see what would be my next step or direction to take. From ToS under 2.3: Except as otherwise described in any Additional Terms (such as a contest’s official rules) which will govern the submission of your User Content, you hereby grant to Linden Lab, and you agree to grant to Linden Lab, the non-exclusive, unrestricted, unconditional, unlimited, worldwide, irrevocable, perpetual, and cost-free right and license to use, copy, record, distribute, reproduce, disclose, modify, display, publicly perform, transmit, publish, broadcast, translate, make derivative works of, and sell, re-sell or sublicense (through multiple levels)(with respect to Second Life, Inworld or otherwise on the Service as permitted by you through your interactions with the Service), and otherwise exploit in any manner whatsoever, all or any portion of your User Content (and derivative works thereof), for any purpose whatsoever in all formats, on or through any media, software, formula, or medium now known or hereafter developed, and with any technology or devices now known or hereafter developed, and to advertise, market, and promote the same. You agree that the license includes the right to copy, analyze and use any of your Content as Linden Lab may deem necessary or desirable for purposes of debugging, testing, or providing support or development services in connection with the Service and future improvements to the Service. The license granted in this Section 2.3 is referred to as the "Service Content License." Which translate in "everything is ours to do as we want". From my perspective this is equal to "business suicide" as almost all my work is based on IP. Strange no one mention that but then i could check better first time i was reading their ToS (still wonder how i manage to miss this part). Well this is it, end of the story as nothing else is now important. At the very mention of these rules to my clients their head would explode immediately. Anyway thanks again to all who posted in this topic.
  3. First thanks to everyone who replied to this topic for your time/help/input. @Tari Landar Yes same thing i notice just before i left SL, many RL companies disappeared from the grid. At that time i was thinking maybe they changed location but i never bother to check as my interest in SL rapidly began to decline. For OpenSim i agree and this is the main reason why i come here even the client heard of OS in first place. @Qie Niangao With product placement in SL is always a problem what is the product. If i will represent company that produces hair implants then i have good amount of steps/directions i can take to do a job for the client. The problem is what if my client is poducing working machines. I cant put drilling machine on your dress and if i deliver as "addon" to the package i lost control over the advertising as usualy people like to (immediately) trash that. For the rest, more or less i agree with you. @Syo Emerald The price is always important. LL is charging 300$ for a sim what is running with other 3 up to 7 other sims (i guess based on experience how this stuff works) on obsolete servers what in today terms no one would take even for free. Sorry but the prices do not have any justifications to be so high. With this situation it makes everything even worse. @Perrie Juran Nothing new to me as we have same situation in RL where are some rules/law what dictate how you can advertise. On other hand this rules you linked do not apply to me as you can see at begining of that page "This article is about the mainland, and does not apply to private regions (islands), where the estate owners choose how they wish to run their own estates". @Amethyst Jetaime It would be nice to put my hands on that studies, probably later today when i grab 2-3 hours i will try to find it. That could give me better picture of the situation and save me some time even at this point i'm more on side to advise the client to drop this idea. ---- Advertising was always money sink but in return you get some benefits (there are too many and no point to list them all). The problem is here that part of "benefits" is under big question mark. Even if i mask that advertising with something more common in SL (free stuff, low cost/free rents, clothes, hairs, etc...) i'm not sure if will be able to bring traffic. Store - almost everyone buy on MP, rents - people do not stay for long, theme park/sim - people dont go there, and so on... Because i must take out of the story any sexual content the only thing what looks to attract people are clubs/live events and there are too many of them. My time cost too much to bother with SL club or events as part of my job so only options are: 1. Give this part to someone in SL but i know right now it will not work. First thing i need a contract and here the story ends in 99.9% of cases. Other 0.1% is people who will fail as one who can do this job already have a working club or place with live events. 2. Offer to working club or place with a lot of events part of the land for free and use their traffic to advertise. Honestly I have not dedicated any time to this idea so I'll stop here. At the end reading all your comments only reinforce my view that this idea does not make sense. I will see in next few days for other people opinions just to be fair to the cause but at this point i do not expect too much.
  4. Hello SL comunity. I was out of SL for a long time, if i'm not wrong it should be around 3 years. Because SL and the story that surrounds it was far away from what was my job i never thought about SL from the perspective of work/business. Mainly used as one way of relaxation. As my business has expanded in the last year to web design, hosting, etc, i start to encounter more and more clients who are willing to spend money in online advertising. Just around Christmas i got one client who aside of usual job i did for him asked me what i think about advertising in virtual world e.g. SL. Long story in short he got some info about OpenSim and now is looking for the alternatives/possibilities. How i was out for a long time i put that request on hold and decided to check what is the situation in/with the games (but here we'll stick with SL). Well i spent some time trying to see if things could work out and i must be honest it doesnt look promising, not even close. Maybe i was unable to spot the benefits of advertising in SL although i doubt it. First i saw the price didnt change and even 300$/mo for a sim was somehow "real" before few years this is not anymore the case. Today i can lease great server for that price, something in range of at least dual-quad processor, 64/128 MB ram and few ssd in raid. I'm sure this could "take" several sim alone without any problem. With huge cost by today's standards i had hard time to see what could bring to anyone who would like to advertise here, aside of money sink (?) or some sort of weird prestige. It could be EU timezone doesnt hold anymore as it was before, and even then it was not great, or SL just lost that "spirit" it had back then. Only places what looks to have any moderated/decent traffic are wierd adult sims and few clubs, frankly completely useless to me. I saw many nice places but they sit empty with really low or non-existent traffic. Like i said before, it doesnt look promising and i dont like to play with client money just to make few bucks. Any thoughts on this subject?
  5. Lets face it, SL is so old it doesnt have any right to be in 2014. On other side SL suffer from same thing as many other games i saw in the past, just one to throw out is Guild Wars 1 and 2, where become impossible to "upgrade" the game and making new one is much cheaper option. I can understand what OP whant to say. Right now i can go and buy mega server for 300$/mo where, if LL would give me a permission, i could run at least 6-8 full sims. In case i have more then one server i could use any sort of server balance technology (or even some sort of cloud) and probably raise that number even more. So OP have a point and LL should start thinking how to "push" people to SL2 and in mean time lower the price for land in SL what would bring more people in SL and make good base for SL2 once it goes live. Just my 5c.
  6. ≡ UNF ESTATE ≡ • C5 sim, no lag • IM Lezug Calamity or Dario Kobichenko if you need any additional information or questions • Prices: - Sq.m: 2048 - Prims: 468 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 680 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim) - Sq.m: 4096 - Prims: 937 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 1360 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim) - Sq.m: 16384 - Prims: 3750 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 5440 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim)  • Land can be joined if you need bigger space/parcel • We know we are cheap :matte-motes-big-grin: UNF ESTATE Office: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Buttercup%20Bluffs/112/100/22%EF%BB%BF To check free land and be updated: https://www.stxtech.com/landbook.php?lb=e6cd10eecb5af261b4b0c278b8e7523b464e5149
  7. ≡ UNF ESTATE ≡ • C5 sim, no lag • IM Lezug Calamity or Dario Kobichenko if you need any additional information or questions • Prices: - Sq.m: 2048 - Prims: 468 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 680 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim) - Sq.m: 4096 - Prims: 937 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 1360 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim) - Sq.m: 16384 - Prims: 3750 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 5440 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim)  • Land can be joined if you need bigger space/parcel • We know we are cheap :matte-motes-big-grin: UNF ESTATE Office: http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Buttercup%20Bluffs/112/100/22%EF%BB%BF To check free land and be updated: https://www.stxtech.com/landbook.php?lb=e6cd10eecb5af261b4b0c278b8e7523b464e5149
  8. ≡ UNF ESTATE ≡ http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Yuzu%20Island/217/96/22 http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Gleaming%20Waters/43/174/23 • C5 sim, no lag • IM lezug wulluf, lezug calamity or dario kobichenko if you need any additional information or questions • Prices: - Sq.m: 4096 - Prims: 937 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 1360 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim) - Sq.m: 16384 - Prims: 3750 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 5440 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim)  • We are cheap UNF ESTATE Office http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Buttercup%20Bluffs/112/100/22 To stay updated: https://www.stxtech.com/landbook.php?lb=e6cd10eecb5af261b4b0c278b8e7523b464e5149
  9. ≡ UNF ESTATE ≡ http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Yuzu%20Island/217/96/22 http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Gleaming%20Waters/43/174/23 • C5 sim, no lag • IM lezug wulluf, lezug calamity or dario kobichenko if you need any additional information or questions • Prices: - Sq.m: 4096 - Prims: 937 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 1360 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim) - Sq.m: 16384 - Prims: 3750 - Land price: 100 L$ - Fees: 5440 L$ For 7 Days (1.45 L$/prim)  • We are cheap UNF ESTATE Office http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Buttercup%20Bluffs/112/100/22 To stay updated: https://www.stxtech.com/landbook.php?lb=e6cd10eecb5af261b4b0c278b8e7523b464e5149
  10. • UNF ESTATE • 7* 4096 sq.m - 937 PRIMS - 1360 L$/WEEK http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Yuzu%20Island/217/96/22 ONLY RESIDENTIAL 1*4096 sq.m - 1031 PRIMS - 1495 L$/WEEK http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Buttercup%20Bluffs/163/32/21 1*6144 sq.m - 1547 PRIMS - 2244 L$/WEEK http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Buttercup%20Bluffs/109/223/21 • land can be joined (on yuzu island land can be joined up to 1/4 of sim) • C5 sim, no lag • IM lezug wulluf or lezug calamity if you need any additional information or questions UNF ESTATE Office http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Buttercup%20Bluffs/112/100/22 To stay updated: https://www.stxtech.com/landbook.php?lb=e6cd10eecb5af261b4b0c278b8e7523b464e5149
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