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Dana the "registered 2010" applies only to when you signed up for the (old Jive-based version, prior to this one) forums, not your SL rez date. To the OP's question, it's a combination of the variables that others have mentioned. How much you get bothered like this depends very much on where you are, your av's appearance, the ages of people about (noobs are infamous for pulling this kind of stuff) and probably cultural differences as well. Be assured that all men in SL don't behave in such a disrespectful manner. If you're getting this a lot in the places you frequent you should try some different places.

Alpha sorting bug maybe? To the OP: Does this also happen when you're out and about at clubs and businesses and you see this as you walk across the floor?

Chelsea Malibu wrote: Yes, the Marketplace search is eternally flawed. It's the one thing Linden Labs just can't do. Good search or database query. Look at your inventory..If they had a notion on db query, we wouldn't be so limited on doing searches in our inventory, SL search or Marketplace. Just remember this rule, if LL made it, it probably doesn't work too well but if they got it from a third party, it works. They should just outsource everything to experts. Chelsea I totally agree with you except for one point; LL outsourced a lot of the design and programming for Viewer 2 and we all know how well that all turned out! :smileysurprised:

Madman I can't blame you for not having much faith in LL but, as someone who's seen this kind of thing many times over the years, I can tell you that LL do take harassment, intolerance, hate speech and the like very seriously and WILL investigate and act against the offending person. Encouraging victims to "fight back" (by means other than an AR) will only get them ARed and possibly booted rather than the moron perpetrator.

It's a LL-owned sandbox Medhue. Only they have any return powers on that parcel.

This is a known bug in the current Linden viewer. Supposedly it's fixed in the 2.8 version but, no word on when that one will get released. Until then I'd go with Ansariel's advice and use a TPV that's not affected. Firestorm and Kirsten's work well. Also YIKES on that gigantic red text!

Well Phoenix (and the other viewers based on the 1.x code) aren't so much leaving as getting left behind as LL introduces more and more new features (like Mesh) that they won't be able to use or turns off features on their servers (like parts of search) that they rely on. At some point the 1.x viewers just won't give you a very enjoyable SL experience. Having said that none of us here can say when that say when that day will finally come. LL hasn't said officially, so don't let the fear mongers scare you; we just don't know when this will happen as of now. I too will be very unhappy to give up the speed, stability and usability of Snowglobe (which Phoenix is based on) but the v2 based viewers (Firestorm, Kirsten's, etc) appear to be the future. I'd keep trying Firestorm as I've found it to be very customizable and can be made to look and work a lot like Phoenix. You can also try out some of the alternatives. While it makes me angry that I'll have to at some point use the abomination that is v2 at least the third party developers are trying to fix the numerous bad design decisions that LL made in v2. Good luck!

Oskar Linden posted about this MAJOR SERVER BUG a few days ago. Why the heck they haven't publicized issue is beyond me. It not only affects friends' profiles but setting object permissions for friends as well: Oskar's Post.

That's not going to happen in this sour economy unless LL lowers dramatically tier I'm afraid. Also what would you recommend LL do to encourage people to pony up for Premium accounts? There has to be some incentive to pay for what so many are getting for free and it sure as hell ain't "preferred technical support"! I'll grant that the program has probably hurt the starter land and prefab housing markets but, killing off Linden Homes wouldn't do anything to alter the fact that there's just too much land for the current resident numbers to support and that tier fees are too high.

Ok I logged in but the only button I was presented with was to 'Edit Profile'. What am I missing here?

Kasya's post should be put on notecards and handed out to every new person coming inworld. Bravo.

Hitomi Tiponi wrote: From my observation they really seem to have some problem merging code streams as old bugs often appear in the xml code (I only track that so do not know if this happens in the C++ code but suspect it does). And there are some bugs in Viewer 2.8.0 - and many from Viewer 2.7 have still to be solved. The developers/QA team are rushing towards various deadlines, and whenever that happens quality suffers. My concern is the balance between providing new features and fixing existing bugs i.e. I don't beleive they prioritise correctly - in fact I've seen how they do it and their processes are poor. My question is why do they continue to repeat the same mistakes as when v2 was originally introduced? Didn't they learn from that fiasco? To continue to release half-done, buggy software will only turn people off regardless of the fact that it may ship on time. Any insights since you work closely with the devs Hitomi? I'm genuinely curious having seen this happen time and again.

This just isn't technically possible right now (until some company designs a phone the size of a brick that has an Nvidia GTX 560 video card wedged into it and a battery pack worn around the waist).

Like Void said if you don't feel the critical mass of customers are there to make it worth your time to support older viewers, don't. Just be aware that the market is saturated with creators all chasing after a decreasing number of customers. If you don't want to cater to those of us who, out of choice or neccessity, prefer not to use one of the upgraded 1.x or v2 viewers, someone else will. As I said before I use Snowglobe, version 1.42 to be precise. I can't see display names, tattoo layers, bouncing avatar bits, etc. I don't care. None of those things means squat to me, tbh. To me it's far more important to have a reliable, stable experience even though my 6 month old computer can certainly handle one of the newer viewers. After reading all the posts on people having issues with logging in, avatars refusing to rez for days, poor performance, major new bugs introduced with each successive v2 release and more, I'm perfectly happy to ride the Snowglobe train to the end of the line. Hope that answers your question. Good luck with your business whatever direction you decide to take.

This is kind of a big deal. Any plans to send out messages in world or somehow attempt to inform the vast majority who never come to these forums of this issue?

Oh I hear it a lot and that's why I go out of my way to speak in much less technical terms when I'm explaining concepts to non-IT people. But that's only a part of what I was addressing. It was the overall, "well peon, if you had bothered to actually read x you would understand how mesh is the best ever..." tone of your original post. I've seen the same attitude from many of the mesh advocates. That's one of the things that's really turning me off mesh. The bottom line for me is this; SL is unique because of the user created content and the sandbox nature of the world. It can never compete with the top-tier 3-D games that are created by professional 3-D artists and optimized to the nth degree for performance. It will therefore never look like Crysis, but I accept that tradeoff for the unique nature of SL and its community. Does that mean that the game shouldn't advance technically? No. But mesh will not be the silver bullet that many people are trying to sell it as and in the process denigrating anyone who disagrees with their opinions.

I still use Snowglobe because I can't stand the interface of v2, all the bugs, the poor performance and the silly way that text chat is done. I'm trying Firestorm because I know that one day server support for the 1.x series will be discontinued (when that is only LL knows and they haven't said officially) but, until the day LL shuts off all the services needed to support it, I'm sticking with Snowglobe. All the new shinies you like designing make for a nice dessert but, I like having a nutritious main course first and foremost. For me Snowglobe is the main course. Oh and just as an FYI other Snowglobe-based viewers like Phoenix, Imprudence, etc do utilize many v2 updates like alpha layers and even avatar physics. It's mesh that won't be compatible and honestly based on all the agita and crying coming from the mesh forum about how LL is limiting mesh I don't think it will be nearly the game-changer that people have been selling it as. (And ditto for what Qwal said. Saying in one sentence you're not trying to be disrespectful and then name-calling in the next seems a bit disingenuous)

Did you sit in on some LL executive planning meeting and know this for a fact? No? Then you're presenting your speculative opinion as fact. LL has made no official statement as to when the 1.x series viewers will no longer work reliably or be disallowed from connecting to the grid. Until that day comes people are free to use a 1.x series viewer to escape the numerous glitches in the recent releases of v2. Looking through the posts in these forums and the JIRA these last few LL v2 versions have been especially buggy. Personally (although I've been trying out Firestorm to get a taste for a v2-based viewer) I plan to use Snowglobe until the day LL refuses to let it connect. I prefer to spend my time enjoying the in-world experience I pay for as a premium member, not as an unpaid beta tester for LL's half-baked mistake.

The CPP has been killed off as well. I saw a response from one of the Lindens a couple of months ago to a similar post but, I can't find it now, of course. As far as I know the last CPP project was in partnership with the Global Online Hockey Associstion (GOHA) back in 2010.

Hey nice way attitude to take there hibit. Someone who's obviously not technically savvy asks a legit question/expresses an understandable anxiety and once again the mesh zealots attack. Just FYI, I've gone onto your precious mesh forums and because I'm a lowly networking engineer IRL and not a 3-D artist working for ILM I have no idea what you guys are talking about most of the time. How computers work and how they connect I understand. How to stack primitives to make stuff I understand. How to manipulate stuff using something like Maya, no clue. Maybe you guys would attract more of us average residents to your cause and we'd lobby LL to ease up on all the mesh restrictions if you weren't so damned condescending. Save your vitriol for the Lindens.

It's great when lawyers, marketing types and middle managers get together! :smileywink: Wow, I haven't seen anything like that since I wrote for a newspaper years ago. Sheesh... they expect SL forum contributors to follow all those guidelines, huh? Yeah, if I was on their payroll! We're still talking about documentation for a game, right? Good luck with that LL.* *(Oops, LL is not an approved way to refer to Linden Lab ©, aka Linden Research, Inc.)

Very well said Cabbage and I echo your sentiments. After almost 5 years I find myself spending less and less time in world. I barely ever get out to explore and most of the great friends I made back in the halcyon days have long since left. It's beyond simple burnout as others suggest, it's something far deeper. The world has lost it's wonder, it's sense of excitement for what was coming around the next corner. There are no great new (resident-built) projects, no new concepts, no feeling of awe for what's possible. Most of the time I spend in world now I'm sad and longing for "the old days" that I know will never return. Now I truly understand the meaning of the word malaise.

I was very skeptical of the Linden Homes project when it was announced because I felt that it was stepping on the toes of the starter real estate and prefab housing markets. I still feel that the program hurt these people, but I also have to say that the Linden homes do provide a simple "one stop" way for new residents to get a taste of land ownership. I've been in world nearly 5 years and have lived on everything from mainland 512 m plots (anyone remember the First Land program back before the big land bubble burst? I made a killing on selling mine to a speculator shortly before prices collapsed) to owning a substantial portion of a private island. I swore I'd never return to laggy, chaotic mainland and least of all a tiny 512 m Linden Home. But my decreased time in world lately made me rethink things a bit and I decided to economize. Since I've always been a premium member I thought, "hey, might as well give the free Linden Home a shot". All of the above observations are very true in my experience. The neighborhoods are mostly deserted, the designs (with the exception of the Meadowbrook, which I fortunately chose) could be more functional and there could be more variation. The biggest adjustment for me was going from having 800+ prims to play with to just 117. But overall it's a decent little place for me to rez items, teleport to and occasionally invite friends over to visit. If you're aware of the limitations and can live with them, or work around them, Linden Homes can be a good deal even for experienced residents.

Yeah this is VERY common and especially apparent with human male avatars when the guys crank up the upper body muscles. They all look like they have stubby little T. Rex arms sticking out of this massive torso and it's very unattractive.

The items shown in your screenshot are things that can't be removed from your avatar. Shapes, hair bases and skins can't be removed. They can only be replaced by other similar items. You can change them a different item, but you always have to be wearing at a minimum a shape and a skin of some sort. Otherwise you'd be... well invisible. :smileyhappy: