Correct, they are obsolete, and I have not had them installed for years, and the Damani viewer worked fine. My suspicion is that something in SL changed recently so I am checking for those issues before I look at a replacement. As I mentioned all has been ok until about a week ago. Firestorm and SL viewer have the same issue, and no recent viewer updates for either. Hence my suspicion that there was some change on the sl server side.