Marsellus Walcott

Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is a clear violation of the Covenant. *"...*Linden Homes should be kept presentable and in-theme to their unique areas...." *"...The exterior should always remain in theme out of consideration for your neighbors..." I would seriously consider reporting that if I were you. Just saying

Twist your words? I sincerely hope you aren't referring to lil' ol' me. I wasn't talking about you specifically. If I were, I would have quoted you, as I'm doing right now. I'm sorry if you took it personally if that's the case. It sincerely wasn't my intention. So, if a person puts a single prim inside his parcel, it's all good? Or two? Maybe five? Fifty? When will it be enough? Where, exactly, do we 'draw the line". Who comes up with this totally subjective number? It's just that some people are sincerely considering "judging" who should or shouldn't "deserve" a new Linden home, based on subjective things: the use of LI and time spent there. Which would means that now, someone MUST use his LI, or spend a minimum amount of time there, or both, in order to keep his parcel? When, since 2003, has LL enforced that? A person could be too occupied to use his plot; He could be "between" redecorations; He could be simply "planning" how he will design his plot (heck, I personally know people who spend weeks doing this); or maybe he just wasn't in the right mood yet, etc... That's a very dangerous line of thought. One that makes us start looking all over Bellissaria, and "judge" who is or isn't worthy of being there for the time being. Of being "worthy" of becoming our neighbors or not. Without having any objective means of really knowing why someone did or didn't use his LI yet. If you allow this type of thing to grow, you will end up with some sort of a "twisted witch hunt" in your hands. Is that the kind of community we want? Again, a really dangerous line of thinking, imho.

More importantly: who's going to judge what is a fully decorated house, and what isn't? Does it has to use all the LI available? Can it have empty rooms? Does it need a fully landscaped garden? And god forbid any given owner decides to save some LI so he can have a nice skybox as well or even a little sandbox of his own, heh? Nope, can't have that. Must fully decorate his house according to someones else totally subjective view, right? And let's not even discuss about how much time one should spend online inside his Linden House in order to "deserve" keeping it. Let me guess: how about a huge public timer over every house telling everyone how many seconds the owner and his alts has spent there, right? Then, using a totally subjective number, we decide if that is enough or not, huh? Seriously guys.... sigh

Yup. Not only heavy mesh, but especially 1024 res textures. Each LI of those 351 can "hold" several of these. And they do take a large toll at rendering, download and generating lag. What is even worse: Even though there are legitimate uses for such heavy (by SL standards, mind you) texture (an airplane fuselage, for instance, that needs a lot of details in it; or a painting, etc...), most of the mesh items I see could very well do with 512 res textures. A significant number could do with just 256 as well. There is no reason to have a 1024 res plain white pastel wall, but people still do it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well, they probably placed it there because that sim has the LI to spare, since its just plain water, apparently. Also, the approach there has no obstacles whatsoever, which is another plus as well. If that's, indeed, the case, perhaps some sort of scripted barge, big enough to fit a car or two in it if needed, traveling from the NE part of that sim (has some land in it) towards the island and back every few minutes could work? Would also possibly become something fun to do as well. I also felt like it could have a few more props in the lil' island. Something to attract ppl there as a destination, besides just pilots? A picnic area, maybe a little beach, stuff like that. Just some ideas for the nearby future, when the moles aren't with their hands so full as right now (they still have to deal with the LH deficit, which is a much more important matter, imho) As I said previously, the sim has the LI to spare anyways. So why not use just a bit more of it as well, right?

Few problems. The major one would be that you need a plane that could take off in less than 30mts (probably 20-25mts, realistically speaking. Maybe even less, depending on the size of the given aircraft.), since 32mts is the max distance most 1024 párcels have available. Not all aircraft can do that. Also, for those that appreciate flying, takeoffs and landings are a very important part of it. Being able to see the scenery apparently has a huge impact on immersion. Finally, most people that enjoy flying also enjoy doing so while being able to see whats happening around you. 2000mts takeoffs would probably impair in a 1800mts crazy dive immediately after it

Why? I believe you're thinking about this the wrong way. Forget about the common way we think of airports and marinas in the main grid. Nope, nothing like that. Think about it as scenery. A destination. Like an island, with a rez zone in it. Very low maintenance (or, at the very least, as much as any regular public place), and not only it adds to the scenery, but also gives planes a place to actually take off from. If you aren't against lighthouses, parks, pools, beaches, etc... You shouldn't be against an airport, when its added as a prop, with rez zones capability. The same goes for a marina, etc. It's, basically, the same thing, maintenance wise.

I beg to differ. See all those roads and waterways? They're not just for "looks". LL want us to explore. They want us to have something to do in the new continent, besides decorating our shiny new LH. See all those lighthouses, pools, etc? Again, not just for the "looks". They're destinations. When you are out there exploring, or travelling, or whatever, you need those. They become the end goal. Ultimately, once you've seen everything, you travel toward those, eventually. Forget all we knew about LH. These aren't the old ones. LL is going for something different here. Rez zones, no ban lines, etc... They want us to explore. To go out there, if we choose to.They are giving us more than just a little place to decorate. And not just airports. But marinas. Offroad trails. Far away islands. A huge community beach. A nice pier with an amusement park. Underwater destinations (a well done wreckage, maybe?), etc... The more of those we get, the more things to do we'll have. And it all adds up nicely to the scenery, when done correctly. In the end, it's a good thing. Besides, private enterprise? That will be surprisingly hard to do, given that the new continent is exclusively made of LH houses. So either LL add space for those, or we won't see anything like it in the new continent. Personally? I would rather have LL doing it themselves, after seeing the superb work they did with everything else in the new continent. Finally, think about it. Do you want to see airplanes taking off from the current roads we have? Because, right now, that's what they'll have to do with the present rez zones, if it's not a floatplane. I sure don't.

Indeed! Great news. I honestly thought it could take them longer to do that, with all the current work they have at their hand nowadays. Kudos ^^

I honestly beg to differ. First: baked communities DO work when done right. Just check all those several huge privately run estates (Hollywood, Eden, Fair Chang, etc... ) which have been running for several years. Now, it is anything but new? When has LL removed ban lines before? When did they really put an effort in the overall looks of the continent as they did in Bellisseria? Not even Blake is close to that. What made Blake such a huge success, when it comes to desirability, is its sheer quantity of "water" parcels and the freedom of travel in it. Guess what? The new continent is trying to mimic exactly that. Again, they can't really force us to interact with each other. But, after roughly a week in the new continent, I can tell you this: I have never had so many opportunities to do so from within my parcel ever since I first joined SL, back in 2005. Heck, just check the map at ANY time. It's always buzzing with activity. The original LH was never like that. Not even when they first launched. I have parcels both in Blake and Jeugeot. Both have water and road access. And, still, I've spent most of my time lately in that new continent. They did something right there. Will it work? No idea. But I sincerely think it's worth a shot. It's, imho, one of the most exciting things LL has brought to us in the last few years. And I'm sincerely hoping that ban or no ban lines, they succeed in what they have planned for it.

If your parcel is correctly set, that person would have to literally guess when you are changing clothes. Then approach your parcel, which takes some time, and then, after entering, take the pic in the few secs he/she has available to do so. Meanwhile, you could be changing in your skybox. Or tp to it as soon as someone gets too close. Or tp elsewhere. Or avoid changing clothes when other players are in the vicinity. Or use your body's alpha while changing, etc...Oh! And ban list that person for eternity, so he would never be able to approach your land again. Look, I get it. You want total control of what happens within your land. You want to be able to do things exactly as you could in the old Linden Houses. That's all fair and square. But here is the thing: The older Linden Houses were a huge failure. The word Ghost Town comes to mind. Now, LL is trying to avoid that. They are going for something new. Making a much better looking place is an important part of that. As is making traveling a possibility (hence why anything that hinders that becomes a liability). Giving us more options than previously is another as well (we get actual land with our Linden House, instead of just the house itself; the possibility of a skybox, etc). And making a community that actively interacts within itself is another important part, which LL has made abundantly clear. They want us to interact in Bellisseria. That's part of the price we currently have to agree with in order to have a house there. When you sign up for premium, the LH Covenant is the price you must agree with, in order to have access to the premium houses. It was exactly the same thing with the older ones as well. They just changed some of the rules there, in order to try a new concept. Will it work? Who knows. Is it for everybody? Sure hell it isn't. It never is. But, as a community, we must agree that there will always be a part of it that won't be satisfied with something. As long as the majority of players get what they want, it is working as intended. It's why I proposed to poll it. So we know what the majority wants, and act accordingly. I believe that the community as a whole is pretty happy with how things are right now, given how quickly the land there became unavailable, and how rare land abandons currently are right now, even after the ban line change. But I could be wrong. A poll would surely put this to rest. The majority gets what they want. The minority gets to deal with it, unfortunately. As any other democratic system. Square and fair.

Ban lines again. See? Basically, the other group would have to compromise and accept that there will be some regions where their movement will be restricted. Remember that part of not wanting an unpassable barrier? They would have to compromise with that. Try as you may, either you get away with ban lines, and have one group unsatisfied, or keep it, which will mean the other group won't be able to really go wherever they want without encountering a barrier. Now, which group should get what?

And there lays the problem, imho. People are talking about trying a compromise, and, yet, can even agree with a small delay, which will be necessary in order for people to leave your property. Simple as that. They desire the option that people can't enter it. Period. Ever. Only a ban line can do that (or a ban list), and, therefore, there isn't any compromise. They want the "status quo" maintained. Simple as that. Most of the suggestions I saw here clearly shows that in a way or another: Bring back ban lines; Create an entirely new continent just with ban lines; Recreate the whole continent again, making sure no ban lines will not get in the way of travelers; Make a part of the continent with ban lines, etc... See the common trend here? No compromise. Not really, when you look at it. It's, in one form or another, basically bring ban lines. Just wrapped in a new "package". On the other hand, you have a group of people that do not want any kind of physical unpassable barrier between them and their destination. They do accept having to "rush" through someone's property, but not having to go around it. Basically, both groups are incompatible. Simple as that. Hence why I said we should poll it. At least we get to know, really, who the majority is, and act accordingly. No fairer way to do it than that. Still, I am hopeful that someone, somewhere, will come up with something. Who knows...

This! Maybe we should consider waiting for the new orb to be implemented, and see how this new LH experience LL is trying goes for a bit before we all start trying to give suggestions as if we knew better than LL itself? At least so we can all have some actual real experience with this new thing? I don't know.... It just feels like we all want things OUR way, and keep coming up with excuses for explaining why it should or shouldn't be. And yes, this goes both ways (both groups, and, yup, me included). The more I look at this thread, the less I think of it. It is steadily doing nothing but growing the discord between both groups even further. Hopefully, I'm wrong at this.

Fix? I doubt it as well. But at least would put an end to this discussion. I mean, if people are going to question even a democratic decision, then I sincerely don't know what else will do. It's how communities solve their differences: They vote. There's no fairer way, hence why I keep mentioning it. Otherwise, its just people (myself included) veiledly pushing their personal agenda over and over.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again: Poll it! Instead of coming up with ideas of why "I" should be allowed to have ban lines, or free movement, etc... All of which are, to a certain degree, subjective (it is, after all, a personal point of view), just poll it within the community. Whatever the result may be, implement it. And end this. Otherwise, it will just be a never-ending discussion where, unfortunately, both parties have some reason. This will go on, and on...

Every time someone puts up his Ban Line, that becomes data. Every single time someone opens up a ticket, that becomes data. Everything posted in their forums also becomes data. Every suggestion they ever got, also becomes data. Etc, etc... Trust me, they do have plenty of info concerning what the majority of the community wants, imho. I sincerely doubt they merely went with a creative impulse, and see where the chips may fall. But, I stand by what I said earlier: Poll it and end this nonsense about what the majority does or does not want. Simple as that.

Well, I say put it to a vote. Make a poll about the subject, and let's really see what the majority desires. But, just between us, do you guys really think that LL made this decision without the metrics behind it? I sure hope they aren't that amateur

I already did that with two extra lots that I had earlier before when I learned the lots were all gone. Quite a few people that I know did the same thing as well. And probably quite a few more will do the same in the next few hours. You see, some of us actually do care about the community. Quite a few, actually. It's not just all about ban lines and the likes.

Makes sense. And you're completely right. Ban lists are a necessity. It's the right tool (along with ignore) for us to limit who we wish to interact with. But, truth be told, I don't ever remember people complaining about ban lists. Just ban lines.

Motorboats can be pretty loud. So can jetskis. Cars can too (especially muscle ones, or sports). So can trucks and the likes. Motorcycles can be especially loud as well (choppers). Truth be told, I've heard AVies carrying so much sound scripts in them that would make a helicopter pale in comparison. So why just focus on flying objects? In the end, this is, before anything else, a community. So compromises will have to be made. On both sides.

A security orb would easily take care of that. As would adding such person to your ban list. That way, he/she would never, ever, be able to do that again. And it would take mere seconds to do so. But still, to some (and, mind you, I am in no way implying that you happen to be one of those) those seconds are more important than the well being of the SL community as a whole. Or, at the very least, a not insignificant part of it.

Most pilots don't, in my experience. Also, there are incomparably more ppl just flying low too, without any vehicle attached to them. This isn't just about flying with some prims attached to you emulating a vehicle. The freedom of movement SL allows will make situations like ppl flying at your eye level happen often. So, what's next? Ban flying altogether? Still, a decently tuned security orb will take care of any situation like that. So, then again, why ban lines?

I saw one available yesterday with one of my alts (didn't grab it though, since I already have one myself). If you're interested in it, keep trying. I'm sure you will eventually get it

Those are the tools you will use when dealing with real nuisance, imho. Hence why I said "ultimately". But yes, I have no beef with decently programmed security orbs. As long as it's not a 3 secs warning and home TP, I'm perfectly fine with it. It's why I believe LL going in this direction is a good thing. So that every security orb out there in the new continent will behave exactly how they think it should. Nothing more nor less.