Madelaine McMasters

Perrie Juran wrote: Just got done flossing and brushing as it is time for me to go out now. You've got a date?! Flossing AND brushing? See, Earth girls ain't easy. ;-)

Malanya wrote: You are entitled to your opinion. It's funny how I can't give an opinion but others can, mine is belittling and trolling, theirs aren't. If she was surprised by my comments maybe she should not have made hers in the 1st place. People should learn to take a look at themselves through anothers eyes. Again, your opion "Celestiall can be frustratingly "on point" She is not the forum moderator she has an opinion like anyone else and it doesn't mean she is on point. That's another opinion. Your reference to Old timers on here, I havebeen on sl since 2008, shall I post on that av, will it make a difference how my comments are not on the radar of some? Who cares, I don't and when i say that I mean that. I have seen a lot of the same things you have on the forum so it's really no point in telling me of her history on here. I do have a very strong opinion and it's mine to own. If someone doesn't like it they twist up words, ask me to answer a question then decipher that to their own liking. While you might accuse Celestiall of an error of omission in not calling out everybody who's been slinging barbs, I'm pretty sure she didn't condone that behavior from anyone. Malanya, we can wish for such condemnation from others, I often do, but I don't think we can expect it. Celestiall is aware that I'm the target of insults from certain people. She also knows I'm not bothered by it. So, while I might like to see her admonish those people publicly for attempting to insult me, I'm not feeling slighted. I've taken heat for not calling out people on their behavior, and I have taken heat for calling out people on their behavior. People are messy business, particularly online. As for Celestiall being "on point", her pet peeve is hypocrisy. She could rightly argue that if you come to the forum and express an intent to cause discomfort and you then do precisely that, you are not being hypocritical. That's the sort of perverse logic I'd expect from me, so I can't quite beat her up over it. You're right about taking a look at oneself through another's eyes. I try to do it. I find it difficult. I have no idea how well I do.

Gloria Rhode wrote: Hola a todos. Me ocurre algo extraño. Tengo un PC con XP y me salen perfectamente, en la barra de abajo el altavoz, el signo de audio y el icono de la cámara para video. Sin embargo, en otro PC con Windows 7 no consigo sacarlos. El problema es cuando quiero ver algun video en SL, o escuchar musica. Gracias Hello everyone. It happens something strange. I have a PC with XP and I get perfectly, in the bar below the speaker, audio sign and icon of the video camera. However, on another PC with Windows 7 can not get them out. The problem is when I want to see some video in SL, or listen to music. thanks Hola, Gloria. Asegúrese de que ha comprobado el "Music Streaming" y cajas "de medios" en "Me-> Preferencias-> Sound & Media". En la tormenta de fuego, el menú "Me" se llama "Avatar". ¡Buena suerte! Make sure you have checked the "Streaming Music" and "Media" boxes in "Me->Preferences->Sound & Media". In Firestorm, the "Me" menu is called "Avatar". Good luck!

Kenbro Utu wrote: If you are not involved in roleplaying a vamp, it means nothing. Hey, I make a good business out of cleansing souls that would otherwise be doing the limbo, or need cleaning because they did the limbo, or because they want to clear room for doing the limbo. I admit to being confused by all this limbo stuff. The fireplace is open...

I presume a bite request is not the same as someone saying "bite me". I've experience with the latter.

Lissb, we need more information! I am unable to find your name in-world, so you have not yet created an avatar. Have you downloaded the viewer application from here? If you have installed the viewer and tried to start it, did you receive any error messages? Come back and edit your question to tell us more (via "Options" on the right side of the window).

Not to pick nits here KarenMichelle, but your threshold for trust would have me excluding myself from having my own passwords. ;-)

Hi MaryBeth, In addition to Korruptive's recommendation to change your password, uncheck "Remember password" in the viewer. That will prevent other users of your computer from accessing your account. If your web browser stores username/password combos, disable that. If you're referring to people posting things on your profile feed, I just looked there and it's open for posting to anyone. If you wish to prevent others from posting there, go to my.secondlife.com and log-in. From there select "Settings", then click the "Privacy" tab and set "Post on your feed" to either "Friends" or "Nobody". Good luck!

Malanya wrote: Trinity Yazimoto wrote: Celestiall Nightfire wrote: But, I think we also both agree that we know a "hurtful" or "belittling" comment when we see it. I see them all over, and done by multiple people. Often more egregious than those done by the known "troll". Yet, the people get a pass, or even "high five" type reactions by others, if it's directed at someone who others don't like. Which just further cultivates a climate of mean spiritedness. Because, jabs begat jabs, and things tend to escalate. Which is how RL wars get started, and threads like this. well its then probable you missed out Storm's answer to me, or Ohhnoes one .. you know... when Storm seems to know me so well in rl that he has a good knowledge of my relation with art and theater and then can judge me... when he also seem to know better than me who i have to have as friend and what comments to have to make on the feeds.... because, yeah, saying goodmorning everyday is so boring eh ? in my world its just politeness, education and showing friends we care them. And you seems to miss out also the harrassment some ppl do on me because they know im not native english speakers (like they do also on other non native english speakers i know here in this forum). Isnt that intended to be "hurful" and "belitling" ? Shame you missed those ones. I have no clue who or what "Ohhnoes one" is? Nor, did I see anything about what Storm says on the feed. I'm on the feed to post notices about inworld events, and comment/discuss with people on my friend’s list. Rarely, do I look at "trending" as it's usually full of porn, pic of things I'm not interested in or spam type posts, so I maybe take one look once in a blue moon. So, how would I see your posts or things that Storm does? Why would you assume I know what goes with you and other people? Did you happen to see my posts on the feed? Do you know what goes on with me? End of her quote. ^^ See the bolded. It goes to show she didn't read the thread (though she responded to Storm) which I doubt and this is how she twists words around. Just responding to me of course lol. I am sure she can see your post didn't just refer to the feed. Anyone that read this thread would see the posts you are referring to. For someone who says they : Celesitall Nightfire wrote: "Yes, and I've encouraged people to disengage too. I've actually suggested multiple times to people that they ignore, which is the single most powerful option. (something you and I have discussed at length) I know that you don't encourage bashing, nor did I imply such." ^^ And this, she sure doesn't practice it on here, words are just words unless actions back them up. I am no longer reading anything she posts because she is actually the one doing the witch hunt responding to a thread and to my posts only bringing up something from a previous thread. Old news I don't believe Celestiall is witch hunting, but I do believe she was surprised by the response she received from her first posts to you. Celestiall can be frustratingly "on point". She'll jump on inflammatory language from anyone, and it's not surprising that if she jumps into a thread and is met with an inflammatory response, she'll flip on her radar. I think I'm on her radar as well, hopefully for other reasons. We've known each other for years. I've been on the receiving end of insults from the same people who peeve you, but I've avoided the "Wrath of Celestiall" by avoiding the "Wrath of Snugs" (who is me). I can't say which of those two pains in the asses is harder to deal with. When I feel like I've got a red laser dot on my forehead, I have to ask myself who put it there. If it was me, at least I can take it down.

Trinity Yazimoto wrote: i was just explaining why i dont care anymore what these ppl say about my english As I think you've noticed, I don't have difficulty with your English. It's all the other stuff that drives me nuts. ;-)

Trinity Yazimoto wrote: oh thank you Sephina :smileyhappy: dont worry, i wont let it go to me. Ive noticed with time that it was always the persons who complain about my english. the same ones and at the same location always (the forum) . And even better ..... Always when they dont have better to answer to me... lol so yeah.. i know... its a trick for some ppl when they dont have better to answer... It happened to hurt me at first, but now, i know, so its just an evidence they cant answer to my arguments... that happens... That must be jealousy too :smileywink:, maybe they cant do the same than me in another language... Who knows ? Id really like to read what they have to answer to my arguments in french... Really... Trin, I don't think there's much profit in imagining motivation. If you feel people are engaging you constructively, engage. If you feel they're engaging you destructively, walk away. And if you come to the conclusion that someone will consistently engage you destructively, walk around. Sometimes there are costs in doing so, but one can hope the benefits outweight them.

Celestiall Nightfire wrote: Aislin Ceawlin wrote: . Because, jabs begat jabs, and things tend to escalate. Which is how RL wars get started, and threads like this. I agree Celestiall, I honestly didn't intend to create this mess. There had been a lot of talk of what trolling was and wasn't, and I just thought I'd post the definition, and have a little fun doing it. (I know, run on sentence). I apologize to everyone involved for creating this monster. I hope you will all understand the initial intent was not malicious in any way. Aislin, I did think your initial post was meant in the spirit of humor. But, as threads often do, it has taken on a life separate from your intent. (I shall now offer a rare thing...a HUG to you!) (Yes, that's right...I'm not all huggy cuddly...but..I'm learning to overcome that with an insidious,...ahem..I mean helpful "Hug HUD" inworld. ) (So, if ANYONE, and yes, I mean anyone! Want's a hug..look me up inworld, and I shall hug you!) *beams* Okay Celestiall, so you're going to be the insidious one, and I'm the nefarious one. I can live with that. Aislin, no good deed goes unpunished. I'd offer you a hug, but I've seen both mine and Celestiall's. Get one from her. I'll just glare at you. The effect should be about the same. It's all about perception. ;-)

Celestiall Nightfire wrote: Ah, Maddy this is a good example of how communication can be misconstrued. (see bolded above) I don't think you instigate flame wars. I do think that you try to "control" them. (as do I!) (and we both seem to fail miserably at it, but we keep trying....haha) I was referring to efforts to garner support (or anti-support as it were) against the "troll". Which is a form of campaigning. not unlike this thread. Whew! Yep, a perfect example of misunderstanding. Mea culpa! Yes I do indeed attempt to control, and as we've both agreed, I stink at it. But I'm happy to take the blame for being so stupid as to continue trying to control the uncontrollable. I'm in good company. Madelaine McMasters wrote: When I said "new people get the benefit of the doubt", I was referring to there being no backlash for new people in a venue who take sides in an melee that may be driven by old personal conflicts. Those of us who've been around a long time, even if we're not highly engaged here, are erroneously presumed to know what's going on and to be aware of those personal conflicts. I think this can largely explain why you've been perceived as a member of a clique. You've had the misfortune to drop into the middle of a heated exchange as a known old-timer, but absent the current context. You take a side based on what you see at the moment, while others presume that you're aware of all that they are. When a new face arrives in the forum (and I mean a newly true one, not a face that's recognizable as a reincarnation within several posts), I think it's natural for there to be a honeymoon period. You and I don't get that benefit. We're presumed to know what's going on, and we often don't. So, we both agree that we don't know what's going on. Dammit! ; ) Nooooo, it's only YOU who don't know what's going on. I'm omniscient! But, I think we also both agree that we know a "hurtful" or "belittling" comment when we see it. I see them all over, and done by multiple people. Often more egregious than those done by the known "troll". Yet, the people get a pass, or even "high five" type reactions by others, if it's directed at someone who others don't like. Which just further cultivates a climate of mean spiritedness. Because, jabs begat jabs, and things tend to escalate. Which is how RL wars get started, and threads like this. Yep. I get frustrated when I see people yanked off the tracks into exactly the sort of behavior they're decrying. I do make a distinction, perhaps sometimes erroneously, between unprovoked and provoked responses. That distinction, as I'm sure you've noticed, erodes quickly. I was going to say that I also make a distinction between people who respond to my "advice" and people who don't, but as I've already admitted, nobody responds to my advice, so I any distinctions I'm drawing there are nonsense. ;-)

Celestiall Nightfire wrote: Madelaine McMasters wrote: Celestiall Nightfire wrote: It's actually pretty funny that you think there's a "clique" that operates on his behalf. LOL I find this sort of misapprehension interesting, but understandable. I believe it's responsible for my being considered a cult leader. Knowing how difficult it has been throughout my life to secure the cooperation of others, I'm inclined to discount theories that require it. Wait a minute..what was the Initiation by Fire that I went through?! (and didn't we both meet at an orgy, errr...party and dance and you mesmerized me?! Celestiall, you know the best way to hide malicious intent is to feign incompetence. You're blowing my cover!

Celestiall Nightfire wrote: It's actually pretty funny that you think there's a "clique" that operates on his behalf. LOL I find this sort of misapprehension interesting, but understandable. I believe it's responsible for my being considered a cult leader. Knowing how difficult it has been throughout my life to secure the cooperation of others, I'm inclined to discount theories that require it. There are simpler explanations. ;-)

Celestiall Nightfire wrote: So, it's clear to me that this whole thread has been orchestrated by the scenes, probably through PMs here on the forum. A witch hunt of sorts. (I know I got several PMs) Which reminds me of a conversation I had inworld recently, where a woman told me that some new posters had told her they were leaving the forum. Yet, why would random strangers send IMs to someone to say they were leaving the forum? I doubt that's what happened. I think the woman send them IMs (Just like I got an IM from this same woman years ago on the forum) She also told me that new people have the benefit of "doubt" and might see the "troll" favorably. Yes, they might, until they get an IM and get pulled into a campaign. Years ago, there was a woman "troll" on the forums, and a whole thread sprung up to decry her actions. I remember Scylla coming to that thread to say how distasteful the public witch hunt was. Scylla was right. I said one person had IM'ed me that they were leaving the thread, check your chat logs. This was after I had PM'ed her, advising disengagment. It's not uncommon for me to PM someone who's being dragged into a exchange of taunts, to suggest backing away. I will continue this practice, both in public and in private. And I approach people in private when I believe that making the recommendation in public is likely to raise the temperature, not lower it. I certainly don't PM people who are not already engaged, encouraging them to pick up a baton and start bashing. You and I have had discussions in which we've explained to each other the effort we've expended to reduce these inflammations. I'm disappointed you now appear to believe I'm instigating them. When I said "new people get the benefit of the doubt", I was referring to there being no backlash for new people in a venue who take sides in an melee that may be driven by old personal conflicts. Those of us who've been around a long time, even if we're not highly engaged here, are erroneously presumed to know what's going on and to be aware of those personal conflicts. I think this can largely explain why you've been perceived as a member of a clique. You've had the misfortune to drop into the middle of a heated exchange as a known old-timer, but absent the current context. You take a side based on what you see at the moment, while others presume that you're aware of all that they are. When a new face arrives in the forum (and I mean a newly true one, not a face that's recognizable as a reincarnation within several posts), I think it's natural for there to be a honeymoon period. You and I don't get that benefit. We're presumed to know what's going on, and we often don't.

... jumps into Tuesday on her way to next Monday... Hi, Kids!!!

Hi Shan, Are you sure you clicked "Save" before closing the Appearance window? I often forget to do that. If your shape is no-mod, you probably wouldn't have been able to adjust the Hover slider, but perhaps you can, but the change cannot be saved because the shape is no-mod? What happens if you switch out to a different shape and come back? If you wish to continue working on this problem with us, come back and edit your question (via "Options" on the right) to provide additional information. Returning with a new question will make it more difficult for us to keep track of your progress and will push other's questions off the front page. Good luck!

You might need more than a few hours to familiarize yourself with SL. I've been here well over five years and I still have only a tenuous grasp on the thing. That said, if you're the curious type, you'll be happy to know that you won't outgrow SL anytime soon. Have fun, Satyyriasis!

Hi Boagyman, I'm afraid I don't understand your question. Are you referring to the local/IM chat windows? I'm not aware of a check box for those, hence my confusion. Do you mean that when you single-click the Chat/Conversations toolbar button a window does not appear? If that's the case, you may have pushed the public chat window to the edge of the screen. Look carefully around the perimeter for it. This thread addresses a similar issue, a missing edit window. You might find the same recommendations for deleting a settings file will work for you as well. Good luck!

Eagle, did you toss the SL folder from Library->Saved Application State? That may be storing a borked setting that's causing even a re-installed viewer to crash. The folder will have a name like "com.secondlife...". You should also toss Library->Caches->SecondLife and Library->Application Support->Secondlife, but I think you've probably already done that. Good luck!

Hi Karine, "Internal Error" is usually associated with websites, so I'm going to presume (perhaps incorrectly) that you are unable to download the SL Viewer, but are able to access the forums. People have had difficulty using Internet Explorer here, so you might try another browser like Firefox or Chrome. You can also download the Firestorm Viewer (which I believe is more widely used than LL's viewer) from here... http://www.firestormviewer.org/downloads/ If I've misunderstood your problem, please come back and edit your question to provide additional information. You can do that by selecting "Option" over on the right. If you return to ask another question, it's harder for us to keep track of your problem and other's questions will be pushed off the front page. Good luck!

Hi Ms. SilverStar, You cannot avoid server rental fees (tier) in SL. The terminology can be confusing, but "purchase" in SL really means "right to rent" or "setup fee" and "tier" means "rent payment". On the mainland, you can "purchase" land from others or directly from LL. What you have paid for is the right to rent that particular parcel of virtual land, but you have not avoided the rental fees. Similarly, to rent a private region from LL you pay a one-time setup fee and rental fees thereafter. If you sublet a region or part of one from a third party supplier, the arrangement is much the same, involving an initial setup fee (which they may call the purchase price) followed by your monthly rent.

Hi Sehoy, There are no full featured viewers available for the iPad, nor any other ARM based tablet for that mattter. I'm aware of one iOS compatible text only viewer... http://www.pocketmetaverse.com/

Welcome to Second Life, Alice! There's a forum specifically for finding both help and jobs, you'll find it here... http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Inworld-Employment/bd-p/InworldEmployment You could peruse those threads to see the kinds of things people are wanted for in SL. For the most part, jobs seem to fall into either social/entertainment or creative types. If you have good social skills, there are greeter/dancer/performer positions at various clubs across SL. Such venues will want to see a pleasing avatar, so you'll have to search out some freebie items to elevate your look a bit above the standard SL new user issue. They'll also want to see an engaging personality, which is something RL wants from us as well. If you have 3D creation skills, there are opportunities either in the direct creation and selling of wares in-world or in the marketplace or (to a far lesser extent) in offering services to others. SL's learning curve is pretty steep, but you needn't master every aspect of creation to make saleable wares. Whether you take the social or creative route (not that being social doesn't require creativity, it certainly does) the more you are familiar with SL, the more attractive you'll be as a potential hire. And finally, I'm hesistant to recommend anyone spend significant time seeking employment in SL over doing the same in RL. The lowest paying RL jobs pay better than most would ever make in SL, but if you're going to spend time here anyway, you can learn from seeking employment. Good luck!