Maelstrom Janus

This CEO needs to change his rocket ship avatar for a pair of feet which are more firmly planted in reality.....

This is a joke right ??? Premium membership new features ?A few baubles ?? Access to a sandbox when Im paying a tier for a full region to build in reduction in tier fee instead please.... When the CEO said he was improving the premium membership I expected greater land allowances tier changes... and what do we get dross, dross, baubles and dross. I cant believe long term members of Second life are supposed to take this seriously.

Isnt it nice to pay 200 dollars tier plus the premium payment, get a nice new feature only to have it withdrawn and then be told - after the event - that youre a guinea pig for linden labs ?? Not the sort of customer service Id expect....nor to have 'non linden' forum users (for want of a better word) telling us what we should and shouldnt expect for our money....

I think adding polygons to the build menu would add a new dimension to building, certainly on the sort of futuristic builds I like.... at the moment its ridiculous trying to create something as apparently simple as an equilateral triangle... trying to taper blocks to create polygons is pretty usless...trying to get the angles mathematically correct is hopeless because while the angles of triangles and polygons are fixed the tapering amounts dont seem to correlate to any set of angles...if they do I cant figure them out. If you do make a basic equilateral from a 50 m square as you know you dont get an equilateral with 50m sides - ridiculous... trying to get a set size equilateral witout complex maths is impossible. I find it immensley frustrating that it's impossible to change the slice and taper axes.....its a pity some linden brains arent diverted to this.... but future lindens plans never ever mention anything to do with inworld building updates, the system is basically static and little different to 4 years ago.... what annoys me is to hear the CEO talking about in world creation...yes if youre a technical whizz...surely the way forward is to add to the inworld system anyone who builds KNOWS how to use....

I'm wondering if there are ever going to be any modifications, updates, improvements to the rather static inworld building system. Meshes may be fine and Im sure and it must be great for Linden labs to tell people to go off and find some random bit of software to create stuff to import ( also adding to the Lindens coffers) thus taking the onus away from them to provide the toolbox to create... But the question has never been answered what about those of us who simply want to build using an inworld system of menus, rather than work out of world over a piece of software not being able to see the ultimate result until the money is paid and the piece imported.... I'm sure it must be an easier option for lindens simply to enable the import of items created else where rather than improve the inworld building system...I for example would love an added menu which enabled the creation of polygonal prims - ever tried making an exact sized equilateral triangle in sl, you need a mathematical formula to get an exact size.... What about being able to taper and slice prims along ALL axes.... What about a menu which relays the sizes of a triangular prims sides ?? Is the ability to slice a prim between two points or curve a square edge prim beyond the bounds of acievability... I never seem to be able to get an answer from anyone at Lindens about whats happening to the inworld building system and normally Im flooded with a mass of esponses from 'mesh heads' who seem to think we should just be happy to be getting meshes rather than expecting linden labs to provide some up to day and continually improved tools working with an INWORLD system standard to all sl users and which all builders have learned to use.... Call me old fashioned but I think a tier of 200 dollars plus AND a considerable premium fee rather entitles me to expect linden labs to be providing a system of building in sl rather than expecting me to find further software and then pay more to import what I make.....

I gathered up my build (Its a sim wide space station)....and on the advice of groups and forum contributors I rezzed it in sandbox 9 ...it appeared in sandbox 8, of course in my own region I can set up my build precisely using building tools I have... In sand box 8 pieces of my station were shooting off in all directions, disappearing, failing to resize not responding to 'control and z' to restore them to where they were.... not to mention the presence of 'ghost prims' Something tells me 64m prims wont be in force any time soon for while they seemed to be working okay a few days ago - their performance doesnt seem quite so satisfactory now. Basically I think Lindens should have stuck with working on - and improving the inworld building system but of course why bother when you can tell people go buy some complicated software and import your builds (at additional cost of course)... I thought the current ceo was trying to encourage creation in world....

I had a word with oskar linden and got the same 'lecture'....in effect dont take any new feature for granted... when I spoke to oskar prior to the system being operated in le tigre there was no mention at all that it may be a short term measure .. I assumed naturally that once in force that would be the end of story. I was told Id need a new viewer but I was already prepared for that. I had no idea I was on a release channel, I simply asked for our home sim (mainland) to be made mesh enabled and it was. No one said anything about testing, release channels nor was it suggested that a new feature which i was extremely excited about was possibly only a temporary measure. I asked for our region to be moved to magnum yesterday I got the feeling that oskar wasn't entirely confident it could be done.....nor when he would be able to do it - only that requests would be taken in order. Of course some notification the 64 metre was to be taken away might have been helpful along with an explanation as to why...but no. The first I noticed was when pieces of my build started to snap back to 10 metres... I only found out by enquiring within a group.

so whats the problem ? is the system unsustainable ?...if there is no problem why remove the facility and disrupt the builds/meshes of sl users ? Im not quite in the same position as the person with the mesh buids -Im using the 64 m prim feature and was enjoying a new burst of interest in what a become a static inworld building system ( but here is not the place for arguments about what those of us who pay a massive tier expect) However I was working hard on a space station of which I can no longer edit the majority of pieces...its all very well saying I was using - and relying - on a system that was being tested - no one actually pointed out that the 64 m prim limit would be introduced only to be removed a very short while later. After enjoying the first new feature to an otherwise static and unchanging INWORLD building system Im extremely disappointed that after only few days it seems Linden labs is either unable to maintain or support this feature.

I couldnt give a stuff about meshes - while Im sure theyre all very well for the techs who can use the vastly complex techniques involved great... but for the rest of us who want to be building in world Lindens should be providing an ever improving and evolving INWORLD building system using tools and menus provided for lindens as part ofthe massive premium and tier fees we pay.... the one improvement that I saw coming out of this was 64 m prims has now been taken away from my region almost as soon as it became available...And I hate to contradict Charles Liden but I see this as a massive backward step and as far as this builder's concerned a massive inconvenience....

From what I can gather making meshes involves a lot of creation using software you then import the result (at cost ) presumably that means if something needs 500 pieces as I understood lillith to mean its going to cost 5000 lindens... which Im sure has the top dogs at Lindens drooling like crazy... of course if you can rez a prim in world and then cut shape and mould it and see the results instantly that extra income doesnt exist.... And if you didnt make a piece for your build correctly you simply start again restting the figures on your menu - if youre an inworld builder no need even to learn new software youre simply building on what you know....

Quote me the bit where I said I dont want mesh ..... Meshes and what Id like to see happen with In world building ( as far as Im aware you cant build inworld with meshes you have to import them..) are two different things all together I just see meshes as being used instead of further developing in world building....

I think we should be able to add fonts to prims by now too And add our own text to anything we build.

I said it ages ago.. Mesh for those who want them...Me I want more in world building options... the ability to have a decent range of triangular prims would be a good start and why are features like tapering and slicing arranged so that you can only apply them to one set of axes ?? Would being able to slice a prim anywhere between two points be so difficult to achieve ? And what about being able to round the corners on prims... ?? Mesh simply takes the onus away from Lindens to provide more in world building options.... I can think of many new building features but you ccant even get near the boys with the technical knowledge to find out if theyre feasible. And we dont seem to hear anything at all about whats going to happened to inworld building which appears to be trapped in a static bubble with very little new since I joined 4 years ago... Mesh also take the fun of building inworld away you dont do the building in world (something I thought lindens would have wanted to promote) and you dont see your constructs take shape until you paid to import the pieces...

At least the ticket submitted about our region was dealt with quickly . This TJ lINDEN guy seems to know what's what. Thanks

Our region is currently inaccessible - we have no idea why- but live help wont be currently available to us for another two hours....

Hey we europeans pay the same tier as United States users so might it be feasible that we expect some live help before 3pm ???/ Its all very well that American users can get live help from 8 am onwards but over here in the UK that means at least 3 pm in the afternoon ...but our tier isnt any less. In fact we pay more in more ways than one.

I thought that one of the ideas of this revamped forum was to get some input and help from Lindens...as usual NOTHING !!

So I have to pay to send a copy of my most personal document from the UK to california.... ..Im paying Lindens to sort out this sort of rubbish not to have to pay more to provide personal documents....:manmad:

Perhaps lindens can explain why it's okay to take money from me or anyone else without age verification - but why the option to close areas of sl to those who dont have (or want) the documentation to give extra info to some obscure third party company of poor standing among the sl community exists, especially in this age of identity theft, when their credit card and pay pal account should prove quite adequate as mine should......

You cant submit a ticket youre referred back to the age verification page....

Classic I'm paying over 100 dollars a month in tier fees and have a premium account which is currently paid by pay pal and has also been paid by credit card - I'm in the UK and you have to be over 18 to have either...SL can determine my location by IP as I know only too well when they started charging me V.A.T. and yet this is insufficient to age verify me !! I dont have a passport and I dont have a driving licence which are the only methods open to anyone in the UK to age verify. Therefore Im blocked from any area which requires visitors be age verified. Its ludicrous come on Lindens get this sorted youre happy taking my dosh... you werent too worried by my age when I signed up. You easily have enough info to age verify me. Ive been complaining about this for ages and the problem is still unaddressed. I would be happy to accept a refund on my tier or my account because a percentage of sl is closed to me. By the way trying to submit a ticket on this is usless to. You simply get referred back to the age verification page.

Rolig Im interested by your comment because I have the opposite proble I appear complete to others but not myself with pieces missing from items like spectacles and a prim beard - I touch the items and they appear suddenly complete again - usually this happens after Ive looked away from sl (switching to say my browser then switching back), this also sometimes textures my avy with the background too. Wonder if you have a cause and possible solution for that ?

Basically creators arent getting the back up they deserve... some might ask whats the point of buying a beautifully crafted horse, car or aircraft or boat when it spins madly out of control or sinks into the grand at a boundary or even parcel crossing... and what - some may ask - is the point of trying to build precisely when textures flicker madly no matter how pieces are positioned while some textures cause others to vanish............

All this fuss about Jira ...I always found it too complex...is it too difficult for sl inhabitants to be updated simply on the 'major' technical issues - the problem is that we never do seem to get up dates on issues which seem to go on and on apparently untackled and effect the majority of users - problems with textures vanishing and flickering and the most annoying possible problem (as far as Im concerned) crashing and loosing vehicle control etc at boundary crossings go on and on despite promises from the very top.... Updates on issues like these are about as common as hens teeth.....

Well I suppose while people are complaining about this latest barmy scheme theyre not complaining about high tiers, land values, tps not working,crashes at boundary crossing, naff viewers....