Female Winslet

I am sorry to hear of that experience, Love. I would like to know more. I can say I do know of a few spots where anyone who is not full furry would get the silent treatment. They do exist. But I’m not aware of many. So if there is more of this than I know of, I’d like to know it. And I would encourage you to reach out to me in world so we can put our heads together about reducing it further.

Furry Fashion has a furry mall. Montecito Bay has another. YIFF (which despite the name isn't all that yiffy) has one . . . . plenty of furry malls out there.

Kinda funny. Usually we are getting banned from clubs and stuff for existing. Not many fur spots will ban a non-furry. There are a few. I think I could probably count all the ones I know of on the fingers of one hand. Kinda weird to hear that we are the bigots.

My pleasure. ? I have not had anyone contact me yet, but that’s okay. Like I said it’s a first life radio show, so it doesn’t need to be on SL. I just thought it would be fun. Aaaaaand come to find out I may in for a real life hand surgery that will knock me out of doing any kind of DJing/broadcasting for a while. Hope not. But maybe.

Well, that is probably true if I were only looking for a furry club. But, as I said in the post you are responding to: This posting is about not limiting myself to just furry clubs. Non-fur clubs offer some real pluses and I’m not sure which is a better option. ? I could go into a lot of detail about why doing the show at a non-fur club would help to extend the reach beyond the fandom in ways that a furry club can't. I won't do that. But basically it's because groups don't mix very much and getting them to mix is pretty difficult. I’m not a new SL DJ. I disagree with this statement. I’ve had this same conversation with other DJs who also disagree with this statement. DJs will have a few loyal people who follow them from venue to venue. But most people are more loyal to the venue than to the DJ. And I say that as a person who DJs in a place that's full of hall of famers, avatars choice award nominees and winners, professional RL radio broadcasters, and other really top notch DJs. With live performers, it is different. Live performers have much more audience loyalty and people are more likely to stick with them more than with venues or DJs. As an audience member myself. I behave the same way. If Voodoo Shilton or Phi Mayo is performing, I will go wherever they are. If a DJ is performing, I don’t go to them. If they stop performing at a club I attend, I stay at the club instead of following the DJ. That’s true for even the very best DJs. I certainly do have some folks who follow me and go to my club performances. But it is not going to build a club for someone. As for ability to tp away . . . Well, of course they can.

Hi Annabell, I’m happy to answer here too. Stream info: It’s an Internet radio show, so it is carried on a pre-existing stream. The easiest way is to just put the station stream into the land or a DJ board as you would for any DJ shoutcast/icecast stream. Alternatively, if that does not work for some reason, it is possible to setup a relay from the station to an inworld stream as well. So essentially we can take the broadcast from the station stream and have it broadcast onto another stream rented in world like any other. In all candor, I don’t know why anyone would do that when it’s easier just to use the station stream. ============================== Type of Club: The things I’m looking for are pretty flexible and not very demanding. I’m looking for a club on a moderate or adult sim. That’s because once in a while, there is an f-word or the possibility of something else not g-rated from a song or caller. I don’t want the club or me to get in trouble for that. It needs to be somewhere that welcomes all. I’m a furry. I don’t have a human avatar in any kind of useable condition. So if furries are banned, the show won’t get very far. So clubs that don’t allow furries would not be a good fit. At the same time, this is a show where I know some of the more loyal listeners are not furries. So a furry only club would not be a good fit either. No sex clubs please. This isn’t a sexy show. But it is a show that is meant to draw out some very shy people and make them feel like they can speak and be heard. It’s meant to be a very humane show that tries to be very kind to its callers and listeners. But not a sex show. So if there are people having intercourse on the dance floor . . . . Well, I just turned down one club because of that yesterday. In keeping with the idea of niceness, I’d like to work with nice people and a good team. I see myself as a part of that team which means that if the place needs, for example, a fill in dj because someone can’t make it, I will happily step up to the plate to help out and fill in The station is All Fur Radio, so I suppose the natural club location would be a furry club. I would certainly be interested in one. But I already know I have non-furry listeners and I’d be very interested in broadening beyond a furry listener base. So as long as all avatars are welcome, a non-furry club would hold a lot of appeal too. I am told my show is a lot like the syndicated show put out by Delilah. I have never heard her show. Now that I’m told I’m like her, I am avoiding hearing her show so I don’t find myself copying her. But perhaps that gives an idea of the kind of show it is. =============================== Financial arrangements: I would hope that a club would treat me like any of its other shows. A tip jar would be nice. Beyond that, I am pretty flexible. I care a lot about the show. I would hope that the club would have good people and an audience and would not be likely to suddenly vanish without notice. I don’t care near as much about the money and I do not need this show to be a primary SL income source. So just treat me like any other show is all I ask. Club owners should be aware that it is first and foremost a RL show, not an SL show. It doesn’t have to have an SL location at all. I just have the freedom to do it and I’d like to do it because I think it’s fun. So expect things like the occasional ad for another show, for a product, or for station identification. There is no reason a club could not become an advertiser whose ads would then also show up during other shows. Since this is a small station for a fandom that heavily patronizes SL, it’s very doable. =============================== I hope that helps!

I have a first life Internet radio show called Lia Listens on Fridays from 4-6 pm SLT. I would love to simulcast it in SL. The show is musically eclectic and features live on air call-ins from listeners. Broadcast licenses are provided by the station. Ideally, I'd like to do it at a non-sex oriented music club in a mature or adult sim that welcomes all avatar types. The station is furry fandom oriented, but the show works well for furries and non-furries. I have had some folks with no connection to the furry fandom tell me they are quite hooked. I see real advantages to doing the show in a non-furry club or a furry club and would consider both. About me: I am an active SL dj who currently provides highly eclectic music sets, sometimes with visual choreography, at Vipera (#17 on the SL top 40) every Thursday. I got my start as a fill-in DJ at Club Amarantha (#1 on the SL top 40) and have also done guest appearances all over the grid. Apart from the radio show, I am not looking for other perm gigs, but I do enjoy doing guest DJing now and then, so I would consider those gigs. Please contact me in world to discuss! Lia (female.winslet)

So I was just having a conversation with the owner of Cuties, mitchwillhelm, who asked me to put a post stating that yes, furries and all others are welcome. The only rule is against child avatars. The OP stating "no furries" is flat out wrong.

I'm really wishing I had never started this topic . . . I wonder if there is some way to get it locked or deleted.

So I’m a DJ. My June schedule is fully booked, so I am not looking for more work. But it wasn’t so long ago that I was having trouble finding work and something like this would have been really helpful. But I would have been put off by the lack of professionalism. If you’re going to be placing me in clubs, then I’d like you to be as professional as I am. Otherwise, you make me look bad. Simple grammar matters! 1) “AJOB” is two words, not one. 2) “Until you are successful.“ is not a sentence. 3) I always appreciate training, but I’m not so sure about “traning.” I guess it’s hard to stop a trane. And so on. Thing is, I am really not all that great a dj, so if someone came along and wanted to help me improve my skills, I’d probably go see them. But when I see this kind of sloppiness, I figure they would probably train me to be sloppy too. No thanks.

I must say that the lack of attention to detail (no location info) and the unprofessionalism of posting "...." every few days would dissuade me from working there if I were looking for work in SL.

This is a pet peeve of mine. You want me to prove that I'm female? How about you prove that you are male? But no, I don't think men ever get asked to prove their real life gender. Even though there are plenty of men in Second Life who are women in their first lives. You can wait until the next time I feel like turning on voice. Or my next dj set. Or you can do what I do and just not worry about it.

Hi Nimue, just want to tell you your post struck a chord with me. I'm not very alone in SL anymore. But I had a difficult time finding my tribe as well. And I too am in recovery from an injury that left me with a disability. You're certainly welcome to reach out to me in world and come hang with me if you'd like to. As far as places where I find people who have a hard time finding their "tribe," I have a couple of places like that I can introduce you to. But, alas, you kind of have to be there at the right times to meet people. I think it always helps to find just one or two good people to hang out with. Good people tend to hang out with one another, so if you find one or two of those to hang with, then you will start to meet others.

If I understand it correctly, this will render mesh bodies obsolete and give system bodies back the ability to simply wear clothes and so on while achieving the same level of detail and quality of rendering. If I am understanding this correctly, I am very in favor of that.

In twelve years in SL, I have only been two things. Human and furry. That leaves me in a very poor position to speak to what it's like to be anything else. I've never had a vampire, child, etc. avatar and hence cannot speak from that perspective. But that doesn't mean I intended the whole thread to focus on furries. I guess I am at a loss to understand how the way we treat the avatar is any different from the way we treat the person behind the screen. Since we all interact via avatars, I think the two are one and the same. If I'm being nice to you, you see my avatar saying and doing nice things to your avatar. And vice versa. Either way, the real communication is between the people behind the keyboards. It's really two people behind the keyboards being nice (or not) to one another. I'm sorry, but the idea that there are real people behind the screens for every avatar is so fundamental to me that I don't really know how to explain it. The one exception being roleplaying games, I suppose. :-)

You know, I never thought of child avatars as a candidate for most discrimination. But that might make a whole lot of sense given the special rules and restrictions that LL has for them. Also would explain why child avatars have gotten so rare. I did recently find myself chatting with a vampire yesterday, so I learned they do still exist in SL! :-) I think she was involved in Bloodlines even. But I wonder if a degree of ability to hide in plain sight helps protect them from discrimination. Well, I thought my topic line and my original post were pretty matched in focus, but if there is a difference, I guess my preference would be if we could stick to something at least tangentially related to one of them. More than anything, I was just reacting to the loss of civility that seemed to be starting. I started my first av about 12 years ago and I've always found the SL community to be polite and civil most of the time. I know discrimination gets to be a hard topic to keep a cool head about, including for me. But would just be nice if we could all try to maintain the civility on the forums that we have in world. I probably let myself get a little caught up in it for a moment too, so I will also try to do better.

I would be very thankful if we could discuss the topic of this thread. Thanks.

Not gonna happen. And not relevant to the topic at hand.

Again . . . so?

I had a couple of reactions when I read this. The first was to wonder which non-humans are participating in Second Life. I was under the impression that everyone in second life was a human behind the screen rather than a non-human. This everyone's avatar is a representation in Second Life created by the person behind the screen. Few of those representations are remotely realistic. I never have seen much difference between representing oneself with a supermodel avatar vs a bunny rabbit avatar. All avatars are very personal things. Quite a few people feel comfortable with one avatar or not another. For example, I recently had a person who is a woman in real life tell me how she tried a male avatar and ended up crying rl tears while looking at her own avatar. It ended up that she just couldn't do it and had to switch back. She never did it again. Much the same happens with human and non-human avatars (I know that one from experience). And I would guess it happens with child/adult avatars too. So that means simply changing avatars is not as simple as changing clothes. It also means discrimination based on avatar type hits the person behind the screen. Which probably is why the topic of avatar type discrimination keeps coming up. It really does sting the person behind the screen. And most people don't like being stung and wish that other people would quit it. The second reaction I had was to wonder what being legal has to do with the subject at hand. There are lots of perfectly legal things that are wrong and people shouldn't do them. Sure it's legal to post a "human avatars only" sign. That doesn't mean it's right. Nor does it address the topic at hand, which is which avatar type faces the most discrimination. There aren't a lot of places that keep out adult human avatars. They exist. But they are not at all common. I would imagine it's safe to say that adult human avatars are probably the avatar group facing the least discrimination in SL. Probably by a large margin. As far as I know, flyers are not an avatar type. :-)

Don't know that we really represent much of anything. We do enjoy Bugs Bunny type characters though. Nope. We're having a great time!!! :-) I don't want to turn this into a thread about furries, but give this a listen to have furries explained in a friendly groovy way:

I guess I should mention that I am also a furry. I came back to SL after several years away and the furry hate seems relatively diminished. It's still there, but I haven't been banned anywhere yet. I do run into some other negative reactions. Part of what prompted me to post was actually a discussion at one of my favorite fur spots in SL about this exact question. The idea that herms might be most hated in SL got floated in that discussion. I could see that, but I haven't witnessed that particular hate. On the other hand, I do experience the furry hate that still exists. I guess I can understand it. If I didn't have a super cool tail, I'd be jealous too. :-) But since I experience that, I tend to see it most and think of furries as the most discriminated against group. So I wanted to test that idea and see if I was wrong. So far it looks like I likely am wrong. But I too get so many questions about how to get furry avatars, where to go to meet other furs, etc. that I really should start charging a fee for those types of answers . . . or start telling people not to ask me until I have at least fully grasped this concept known as "mesh." I have been targetted by one or two anti-furry griefer attacks. So far I've been surprised how mild it was compared to the old days. This might be a silly question, but do vampires still exist in SL? I don't think I have seen any since coming back. Yeah, there's a lot of self-segregation that happens there. I feel like a very rare furry who actually goes out and mingles with everybody else. I probably split my time around 50-50 between spots that cater to furries and those that don't. But I'd feel like I was missing out if I didn't. The great thing about SL, at least for me, is the wide variety of people you meet. If not for that, then what's the point?

Furry hate is pretty legendary in SL and I've always assumed that furries were probably the most hated and discriminated against group in SL. But recently I have wondered if that is true. Thoughts on who it might be and why? One thing I will never understand is the hate based on avatar type in SL. Every avatar is a personal expression of the person behind the screen. But at the same time, it's only an avatar and we are all people behind the screen.