Bridget Hammill
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On 4/28/2023 at 7:38 PM, Ritoruburu said:
Also. To just be clear for everyone. My pre recorded streams are for my land to play music (and home) instead of listening to DJs talk over music from other clubs (*coughs muddy and Ohana) or not have anything playing, I just mixed my own stuff together to have playing 24/7.
At Muddy's a DJ will be let go for talking over the music!:) Never do we talk over music at Muddy's. I promise.
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On 12/15/2022 at 8:05 AM, AmeliaJ08 said:
I was surprised too, never had an issue before.
Either way I'm not going again if they're going to be like that, concerned about the amount of abuse that is being put towards people who dare to not be some giant assed Amazonian in SL these days.
As owner of Muddy's I can assure you that we do not look at the height of a avatar when making a call on if it is a child or teen avatar. My goodness we have tiny faires that frequent our place. What we do look at are things in the profiles such as groups indicating that they are a child av, profile picks of things such as pacifiers baby cribs, and what is also written in the profile to give some indication on if it is a small av or a av role playing a child or teen.
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On 8/15/2023 at 9:56 AM, callmecupsxx said:
Looking for some new friends to hang out with! Been on sl for a while but seems to be getting harder and harder to make friends here..
I like all the normal things - shopping, exploring, decorating and standing around places for hours afk haha!
I'm Scottish and dark humoured so if your a snowflake maybe not a great friend match!
Hopefully catch you soon!😄
HI!! We would love to have you come and hang out at Muddy's Music Cafe. We run 24/7 so there are always people to talk to around the clock from all over the world. Hope you drop by and give us a try we would love to meet you!
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On 11/22/2023 at 2:55 AM, Lewis Luminos said:
As a former club owner - listening to a club's stream outside of the club does not benefit the club in any way. It doesn't add "traffic". Additional "listens" don't do anything positive, in fact they might even be a disadvantage because each stream has a cap on the number of users who can listen at any one time. Ever been to a very busy club and was unable to hear the stream? That could have been a reason.
Club owners across SL are going to prefer that you park your avatar (or an alt) actually in their club, even if you're not interacting or tipping. That will help them much more than listening remotely.
I see your point and there is a benifit for the club owner if you are in the actual club when you are listening to the stream but I can tell you that I also very much welcome people listening to our stream where ever they are, SL or RL. We also provide a small HUD that you can wear that allows you to listen to our station where ever you travel in SL. The stream that we have us unlimited so we are happy to have anyone who would like to stream us to do so! http://muddys.digistream.info:20398
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On 11/22/2023 at 5:12 PM, Casidy Silvercloud said:
The Djs are the ones playing the music, not the club owner. They are usually the ones people are there to support. If a club owner wants the benefit of having visitors, they need to work at creating an environment that people want to be at.
I used to go to clubs a lot more, but these days the atmosphere is just not nearly as fun as it once was. Between the gesturbating, all too frequently annoying people, dead silence in local, or terrible lag in poorly designed areas (sometimes full of afk people) it can be too much. Yes you can fix some, but sometimes it's not worth the effort.
I'd rather support some Djs and live artists from afar while I get other stuff done. I can still tip and support them just fine without being there. There is nothing at all impolite about that. It's silly to assume that it's impolite to not visit a place you don't want to be at.
Give me a reason to be there, and I will, so will plenty of others. It's why some clubs do so well. Give people a reason to want to listen from elsewhere, and they will. Tough job for a club owner, most definitely, as clubs are complete money pits 99% of the time. The same can be said about any landowner that wants traffic though. Give people a reason to be there, they will.
Hi!!
So much of what you said is so true! At Muddy's we do not allow things such as gesturbating and we try very hard to keep local poping with conversation. It is all real traffic with no bots or alts to run up traffic. One other thing that we do is we put a lot of money and talent into making our events visually specticular. We do try very hard to give people a reason to be in the club while also giving them the option to listen from off sim by providing a live stream 24/7. The one thing that we will always fight but try our best to control is the lag. With any high traffic area where there is real traffic people in the club bring in their scripts. Most of the lag is not caused by the scripts on the sim but by the avatars. This will always be a battle. I hope you come and visit us at Muddy's some time and let me know what you think or any suggestions for things that we can do to make our club a place that people want to visit. We are always working on trying to improve!
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On 11/16/2023 at 9:29 PM, Fox Nova said:
Hiya!
I'm looking around for some awesome in-world stations or club feeds you can use on your land. I know there are OODLES of non-Second Life ones, but I'm interested in Second Life ones only. I've already snooped the ones in the wiki. (Indie Spectrum, Gorean Whip etc.)
Has anyone got any suggestions for some awesome ones?
Thanks in advance ❤️
HI!! we would love to have you check out Muddy's Radio. We stream 24/7 with some of the very best dj's that second life has to offer. We also have a small hud that we offer free that you can pick up in the club which allows you to stream us where ever you go in SL. http://muddys.digistream.info:20398 is our stream!! We also stream all over the grid in some of the highest traffic places in SL as well as SL homes, business, and land holdings. There is also the capabilty to stream us in your RL. Hope you give us a try!
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17 hours ago, Qie Niangao said:
Hey @Bridget Hammill, I wonder if you have any real data one way or another about whether Event listings actually draw in attendance to events? I posted earlier about why I have doubts, but I've never seen anybody study it, and you have such a big venue it might be possible to tell.
(There are probably easier ways to know, but off the top of my head I'd try listing the event on a location distinct from where any normal arrival would occur, probably turning off any landing point or separating a parcel just for the event-listing location, then counting heads of who arrives at the listing location. Something like that. But you may have a better way to collect the data.)
It's certainly possible that some kinds of events (and venues?) get more Event-listing traffic than others, so I guess it wouldn't be a universal finding anyway, but still it seems of interest.
I guess a venue might also be interested in whether visits arising from an Event listing convert to tips and other revenue at the same rate as do other arrivals. Probably folks who run venues as a serious business know all this stuff already.
hi Qie,
I have never done any real research. I do know that I use the events posting that is in world. I my self do not use the one in the dashboard as I agree it is a nightmare. I find the one in world very easy to use and to nail it down to just what I am searching for. I am confused as to where the spam comes from on the in world events as we are only allowed to post one per event so this whole thing has been a bit confusing. Your correct it would be interesting to collect data. As I said I have just been going by the fact that I know that I use it and many of my friends.
bridget
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4 hours ago, Beth Macbain said:
But I thought you said you operate in the black? You're actually making money off your hobby. The price of that hobby is increasing slightly. I'm not sure what you're upset about. Do none of the other costs in your life ever increase?
Yes I do pay for my hobbie. I do not cash out. What I am make I use to pay my tier.
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3 hours ago, Alwin Alcott said:
it's not really relevant if you get enough tips to pay your rent or not .. and it's a choice to run a club.
But if clubowner doesn't pay the hosts or other responsible employees for posting in the events you'r a louzy place to work for. Large club or not.I can promise you that the people who work at my club make more than the club. Maybe hosts and dj's should tip the venue that they work for so it can run and have a place for them to work:)
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2 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:
Okay...
But what does that have to do with anything I said?
I'm sorry I must have misunderstood you. I thought you were suggesting that we need to pay for our hobbies. I was explaining that I do.
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44 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:
The real issue isn't the charging for using the events calendar - it's the awful way clubs and events are run in SL. In its current state, a club will never operate in the black, even those that charge for membership.
I think that clubs should have cover charges, at least for events, and pay the bills (and that includes the hiring of staff, talent, advertising, tier, etc.) out of that. As it is now, clubs are essentially RPing being clubs since they don't operate in any way like RL clubs. Either swallow the costs of your RP as a club owner, or start operating as a business using real world business acumen.
I can only speak for myself, but I'd happily pay a cover charge to hear my favorite musician or DJ if it meant that begging for tips for the staff, the talent, AND the club was dramatically decreased.
I do run in the black. My sim for my club costs around 300 us a month. I charge for advertising on my stream and am able to pay for my sim this way. Before I got the club built up i was paying for this my self but as I was able to grow my club I was able to get it to pay for itself.
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3 minutes ago, Beth Macbain said:
Because nothing ever changes and there is only one way to skin a cat.
Sorry, no, I don't buy that excuse. Something not working once is no indicator that something will never work.
But, you know, if it doesn't work, then club owners, or DJs, or musicians need to stop looking at what they do in SL as anything more than a hobby they have to pay for. Costs increase and prices go up. LL is an actual business, and they have to make money.
If "business owners" in SL want to make profits then they have to operate like an actual business, and yes, that means charging their customers, and increasing that cost as their own costs go up, just like LL is doing now, and every other actual business does.
SL is a hobby for me. I was able to engage in my hobby for years without LL raising the cost to me through an increased price for premium, and that was a mistake on their part - not the raising the cost part, but the waiting so long to do it part.
For eons, LL kept the price for their users the same while their costs for running a business increased all the time. They should have been raising costs for users to keep pace with that but they didn't.
And now that they are doing the correct thing by increasing their prices and fees, people who either don't know what is involved in running a business, or think that their hobbies in SL should be cheap or free while LL has to operate as a business, are losing their minds.
TL:DR - LL has to raise their prices to keep up with the costs of doing business because, though their business is running a virtual world, the cost of running that business is not virtual. Either businesses within SL have to raise their costs as well in order to actually be a business, or be content with being a role play "business".
I pay over 300 dollars a month US for a sim. I'm pretty sure I pay.
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13 hours ago, LittleMe Jewell said:
Not to all of us.
There are many different reasons beyond 'social' for being in SL.
I will admit i poorly worded that. And will say that is true.
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20 hours ago, Nadia Chatterbox said:
I’ve done the hosting thing for years and posted events per club rules. Truth be told, $10/50 isn’t a lot. However, I worked multiple clubs in a day. When I did this, I worked for my $$. And, often, I did not get tipped or paid by the club owner/manager. Often, I was lucky if I got $100. I made enough to shop and rent. And I had fun, and made some friends. Now, I just invest a few dollars weekly.
So, you club owners requiring this, either pay your hosts to post, this does not include their shift pay. Or post it yourself.
I will tell you that i own one of the largest clubs in Sl and it does not pay for itself. I have never known any club in sl and pays for itself. clubs have to find other ways to pay rent such as selling ads or ad boards. So trusts me the clubs do not make enough to pay staff. Clubs that do pay staff do not last long in sl as they can not afford to keep doing it.
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1 hour ago, Tari Landar said:
I am not antisocial, or necessarily entirely anti-club. I am anti gesturbator and don't mind going to clubs that forbid that crap. It's not the sounds that annoy me, I turn them off. It is the fact that people scream and shout in local, and spam gestures constantly and it hurts my damn eyes to see the text constantly-and it's a PITA to constantly have to make modifications, so I can't enjoy it no matter what. When I worked in clubs, I had a hell of a time back then too now, it's a million times worse. I don't expect others to modify themselves or their enjoyment, I modify my own. So *I* like to listen to these DJs and live singers on my own turf so that I can still enjoy them, can still tip them from a distance-which I always do, and enjoy the experience while appreciating the individual. I'm not telling others what to think, I'm saying, read the complaints if you wan to know why people frown on it...they're all over the forums. General consensus means far more than my individual, or your individual, opinion. It is the general public that uses the events calendar, right? Why not appeal to them s much as possible?
If LL didn't see anything wrong with it, they wouldn't be making changes. Although I don't think the charge will actually deter most spammers(it might send a message to some..maybe, but, eh..hard to say), and I think being upset that you don't have yet another free advertising method is a bit over the top..but, that's my opinion and nothing more. LL COULD make a specific category for clubs, and not just night life (LL isn't known for being specific about anything, that's part of their problem, lol)-it might help all involved
I will say that my club does not allow any sound gestures, talking Huds, or gesterbating. We also do not allow particles. We do not allow barking dogs, or any other thing that makes sound. I do not expect people to have to adjust their SL to enjoy the music in my club.
The reason sl is charging is what about everything in this world gets down to.. the mighty buck. Do not fool yourself into thinking the reason there is going to be a charge is due to anything else.
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1 minute ago, Lexbot Sinister said:
If your event is not "special" enough to spend 10L$ on, perhaps it's really.... not so much of an event.
That is if you are paying to be a premium member. not all can afford to do that. And some hosts work different clubs every day and some several cubs so if you had two sets a day at different clubs and are paying 50 lindens for every one that starts adding up.
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3 hours ago, Tari Landar said:
. I have some singers I like, and even DJs, a lot-even though I refuse to go to clubs, I can listen in on their streams whenever it tickles my fancy by using those tools.
I am confused as to why you are in SL . Why not just listen to the radio. sl is a social platform and I will agree with the person who said that we are not all going to agree on what is considered "worthy" events to be in the calendar. What I also agree with is Jay when he says that many dj's spend hours putting a set together and spend money on downloading songs and then to say that what they do is not considered an event is insulting. Do all dj's and clubs do this, no. But the good ones do. I also agree with Jay that I never use the dashboard events i use the one in world as was shown. It is very easy to use and it does not allow spam. You are only allowed to post 5 events a day and you can not post the same one more than once. I have found it very user friendly and you are able to set filters right down to find a specific artist, specific event , club, or even dj.
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I have been in SL many years. I will say that I have and do use the events when I want to search out something I am interested in. I have never had an issue finding what I am looking for . I agree that there are a lot of people who spam and also agree that a lot of these are adult places offering adult services. My club does neither. I am going to have to disagree with those who say that a DJ at my club is not an event and not certain that I understand when some of you say this is not what the calendar was ever intended for. As I said I have been here for a very long time and have never seen anything written from LL saying that a DJ in a club is not an event. Just because you have spoken the words saying that it was never intended for this purpose does not make it true. I would welcome anything from LL explaining to me that I am wrong and I most certainly apologize for using it for this purpose for the last 10 years. It is not the club that is the event, we are letting people know about a particular DJ. We do go around the clock and have DJ"s every two hours so we do post their events. We have people who follow just a this DJ or that DJ and this lets them know when the will be there. We do not double post, we post in the right category, and we have the event going on that we post. Again if someone on here can show me straight from LL where I am using the calendar in a manner that it was not intended I would be thankful.
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It was very interesting to read some of the changes coming to SL in the coming year of 2020. I have been in SL for any years and in January 2020 will celebrate 10 years of owning Muddy's Music Cafe. As a club owner who uses the events calendar in the correct way and have respected the rules I am highly disappointed that because of people who miss use it with spam we are all going to be penalized by being charged to use it. I feel upset that a forum that was started by SL for us to be able to advertise our events we are now being charged to use. It's upsetting when all are punished for what a few do. I think there must be some way for SL to stop the ones who do not go by the rules and spam the events instead of making us all pay. This change will most certainly make our club stop using this way to advertise our events. While i am sure to most 10 lindens or 50 lindens if you are not a member seems like very little it adds up when we have hosts who have 6 shifts a week or for a club like mine who runs around the clock 24/7. I am hoping that SL will rethink this change.
Bridget Hammill
Founder and owner of Muddy's Music Cafe
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Hello,
I own Muddy's Music Cafe and even though I have never answered or written in a forum before I felt the need to write at this time.
First I wanted to address what I THINK is us being accused of using alts or bots to fill our dance floor and up our traffic. I can tell you 100 percent that this is not the case. In fact if I ever caught staff doing this they would be let go. Our traffic is real. I tried to understand what was meant by rotating our staff or cycling them and was unable to understand what we were being accused of even though I have been in SL for many years.
The reason you see many of the people who work at Muddy's also hang out there is because many of us, me included, consider Muddy's our home. Muddy's is where we work, play, and hang out. It's our SL home. Muddy's staff and vips have been there for each with prayers when needed a party when there is something to celebrate. We cry with each other and we clebrate togeahter.....isn't this what a family does? I have seen this group of people care for each other and take care of each other in a way I have not experienced in SL in any other place.
The other part of this I want to address is that sometimes some of us are afk at times. I will speak for me as in the end that is all I can really speak for, I love the music and dj's at Muddy's and often I will turn the music up and go about doing some of my daily RL chores while listening to the great tunes being played. I never mean this as parking but to me is combining my RL and SL in a way that is fun and enjoyable. Lot more fun folding clothes and doing dishes listening to good music with some fun dj's.
The second thing I would I would like to address is the PG not always being observed. This is an issue that is always being addressed by my management, staff and myself and I am sure will always be. We tell our dj's that their play list must have only PG songs. The problem comes in when we are very busy and a dj gets a request and doesn't have a chance to check lyrics. So we do sometimes have some songs sneak in that shouldn't be. Any of the staff at Muddy's will tell you it is important to me and to them to keep the venue PG. When I started Muddy's it was important to me that people like myself that mix my RL and Sl during the day to be able to go about their day logged into Muddy's listening to music and not have to worry about what is being played or what is on the screen. I have always wanted Mom's or Dad's that are at home with their kids to be able to be in Muddy's and not have to worry what their kids are hearing or seeing while they have their av's in Muddy's.
It does worry me that there are some that feel that we are not as friendly with vips as we should be and I will be sharing this with my staff and also the part about things slipping into the club that are not pg . I do take this serious as do all the people who work at Muddy's and this will be something I know we will be talking about and seeing what we can do to improve on both of these things. We can always improve and we can always do better and even though this is "my baby" I am open to suggestions for imporvement. I also want it to be a place in sl that people enjoy, is friendly, where you can come and everyone really does know your name and makes you feel welcome. Yes, it is hard to hear that we need to work harder on some things, but I assure you that we will. All of us that work at the club take great pride in Muddy's and I can assure you that the numbers are not as important to us as the people.
Please always feel to IM me with any concerns or suggestions, as I said we are always open to trying to imporve.
Thank you for your time,
Beth
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Thanks so much for mentioing Muddy's. We do try and keep local chat going and all of our traffic is real. No bots or alts. We love to have you any time!