Dev Scorpio

Nice overall discussion, and after browsing over most of it, more or less in a search for what is not ON topic, but well related to the topic, but yet to be seriously answered, I would like to ask in relation to the topic at hand and hopefully get a clear, logical and legally explained so to speak, response as what has already been given basically concerning IM or Instant Message conversation within SL. So I ask, what about Local Chat conversations? Are those considered the same as IM conversations, considering that Local Chat is basically the same as Public chat, or just as though you were sitting at a cafe or something and someone decided to come up and record what was being talked about, Does that also mean it is against the ToS to share logs of local chat, more so to the point of pupose of informing others of someone's actions or rude behavior or insults, ect?

Correction first of all, wasn't the middle, was the begining, advising you of the issue, however you instead chose to react as you are well aware, instead of actually rectifying the situation and be the reponsible Admin. And reguardless, it's besides the point of the thread, and I agree that for the right reasons it should be allowed, however, you obviously will view whatever reason I have as not the reason and assume you own as per the norm. SO moving on, I am actually interested to hear other's view points and feedback, and that is the point of this post overall, and perhaps, god willing, that Linden Labs listen and revise things accordingly to a fair manner for all parties involved in simular situations. Because there will always be someone whom does something malicious with something that had a good purpose.

Actually that is the purpose, however, there are those SIM Admins whom even with such evidence, will just simply laugh you off, insult you and the like, yourself having been one of them in the past, among several others. Not playing the blame game here or even spouting insults, just stating fact. Because far to often, when it has been ask to be proven of whom does what several times, too often has it just been tossed aside with a simple " Don't like it, don't come here " response. Instead of those handling the proof as it should be with the intentions it was taken for. The fact of the matter is, yes, poeple will laugh at what they see, because it goes on anyway, with the countless amount of chat lags passed around and posted in notice after notice of whom did what to whom and the like, however, those of us whom get those very same things occur, should infact beable to prove themselves, that's the bottomline. And yes, when the masses see just what occurs, they will laugh, however, you and others obviously as admins see these things, the question is, do you still do anything about? I've yet to see something done, other then banning the ones whom point out the issues, because they were provoked to get upset because they were just never listened to to begin with. I and many others have asked for proof of many of things, rarely is proof ever brought to light, other then "I saw it or everyone says this" when it comes to those of us just simple pre-judged and assumed one way.

I know there is another thread about this more or less, but I wanted a more focused point about what can really be considered machinima and further more the policy on it's use and purpose.... I can understand when the use or purpose for aspects of creativity, art, ect, and someone might make a profit off it, and everyone wants their due credit if in the shot so to speak, however, how about a more simpler use? Basically, the point of this thread is does the policy still blanket over and basically render "idiots" the means to justify their ability to simply point and accuse others of things they didn't do as well as leave them up a nice shield to hide behind when they do things and the only real proof that would show them just how wrong they are or just how wrong they have done, would be in a simple recording with a program like FRAPS. Prime example, as this pretty much refers to SIMs in the realm of Roleplay, specifically Gorean Roleplay SIMs. Things that happen is of course text roleplay, but also alot of what happens are Raids, combat, pew pew, ect. Each SIM has their set of rules, ect, and we all use the same type of scripted weapons made from one weapons maker to another.. But here is the point, because what happens alot in these raids is accusations of cheating, rule breaking, ect. Most times getting a snapshot of someone doing one thing or another is impossible unless you just happen to have a stroke of luck to get a shot showing what occured, IE: Walking up terrain land, rezzing grapples in wrong places, or just people raging and causing a good fight to just end in no one having fun. Ignorant rage filled accusations fly from one person to the next, as well as what someone thinks someone did but without the proof they did just gets taken as fact when there is no fact to it. Are those of us whom do the right thing, actually follow the rules, ect really not allowed a means to back ourselves up? To beable to prove without shadow of a doubt, via a simple FRAPS recording what actually happened, so that THEN it could be looked upon fairly with the video fact showing what actually transpired? Now I personally agree with the general concensus on privacy, no one wants some noob flying 1k meters up to a skybox and recording you geting it on pixel style lol, but don't we as one resident to another have the right to prove ourselves against false accusations that people base banning someone on? In this type of use, for the sake of just having a means to back up your side of the story, shouldn't that be allowed? Don't we have that right? I mean hell, you got anyone with a cell phone these days ready to hit the record button if some misdeed by the Police and posts it on youtube with out any fear of the legalities behind it. SO yeah, I have posted this here, in hopes one, Lidens would see it and perhaps care about another view point, and more so to the point, that the policy in the TOS is rewritten with something like that in mind, or something. But I don't think someone should be threatened with being banned over basically defending themselves or having a means to defend themselves against basically Harrassment, False Accusations, ect.