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  1. MikeDesoto99 wrote:

    Thank you to those willing in this thread  willing to speak up and face whatever menace might fall upon you for having your own views and feeling about here that support secondlife  regardless what these the outside agents press on everyone

     

     

    Wut? Gawd, you make mucking about on an on-line virtual world sound dangerous.

    I'm well aware that a few people make a living and that some people make some extra cash here in SL. It is, after all, a money making machine, like a squillion other companies on the planet, but for lots of people it's just a spot of relaxing fun.

    If I've understood correctly, you're getting all hyperbolic over some people liking another VR. That's in the nature of the beast, Mike. You make a product, but you can't stop other rival companies existing, nor can you stop people from being interested in the rival product, or even preferring it. If you're an SL creator, I can understand that you've a vested interest in keeping SL as populated as possible, but realistically, SL is horribly expensive. I'd love to have a sim to build on, but, although I work and earn decently in RL, I just can't quite get my head round spending that sum of money on...nothing. Seems to me, SL gets intense if you invest large sums of RL money in it, and boring if you spend none. For those somewhere in-between - people like me who don't want to have to live in here in order to run the business which pays for the land, but who want to do more than shop and dance and have a little house, it ends up getting frustrating and slightly pointless and eventually boring.

    Just another couple of points - monopolies rarely give more than they have to, and the destiny of SL is not guaranteed by the RL world economy getting sorted out - businesses can fail even in the sunniest of economic climates.

     

     


  2. Maryanne Solo wrote:

    Yes but you are missing the point as usual

    He was very funny indeed.

    The reception the Spanish One's interventions got here always reminded me of those god-awful Victorian 'freak' shows, in which the mob doing the gawking and deriding was a thousand times more grotesque than the poor soul fate had been unkind to.


  3. Senobia Xenga wrote:

    I think it's plausible there are gangs and other organized crime units like terrorist cells and the likes in SL It seems like it would be a good way to get all their people together in a central location for meetings, deals and whatnot to receive instructions on what to do in RL. They may see it as a safer alternative to using phones, emails, etc. If they were here, I don't think their intentions would be to carry out anything in SL like lame griefer attacks, but to do their RL planning.

     

    You reckon? But how come everyone's always complaining that  there's no privacy in SL and that they can't even have a pixel bonk in peace without the neighbours or passers-by listening in or perv-camming or even just wandering right in?

  4. My point? Ironically, you made my point better than I ever could have, yet you seem blissfully unaware of it. 

    The thing that really bamboozles me now though is that apparently I’ve forfeited any right to have my say in this thread, because I didn’t post in some other thread (which I have zero knowledge of, I might add, and which from your description, I’m left wondering about its relevance to this topic). Considering I’ve clocked up just short of 2,400 posts in these forums since I joined them back in 2009, it’s safe to say that I’ve expressed my opinion on a pretty wide range of topics in many, many threads, including ones similar to the one you mention. Is it really necessary that I post in all threads to be authorised to post in one? 

     


  5. Malanya wrote:


    Carole Franizzi wrote:


    Malanya wrote:

    Yeah I know no one was seeking counsel or expect an outcome from here. Saying that people in foreign countries don't count is a sad way to think, but it's their thought to think.

    Yeah, but Malanya, maybe that's the point - maybe non-Americans don't feel 'foreign' in SL - maybe they feel they belong to SL as much as any American, and maybe it's something to do with Americans seeing them as foreigners in what they consider their own virtual nation which is at the root of the issue.  

    I agree. I didn't separate them into a category, the posters did. I don't think anyone in sl should be made to feel "foreign" to this world or forum. I have stated that many times that sl is made up from people all over the world and not just the US. I also feel tolerance goes a long way.

     

    Actually, nobody talked about 'foreigners'. The discussion has revolved around the entire worldwide SL community and a contest open only to RL US citizens. Unless my eyesight deceives me, you're the only one in the whole thread who's described some SL residents as coming from 'foreign' countries.

    Listen, Malanya, here's the thing - like many people, I imagine, I signed up for something described as a virtual world. Not a nation - a world. And in fact SL is - as you said - made up of people from all over the planet. I probably discovered there was an American company behind it several months, maybe even a year or so in, however, this 'discovery' was a non-discovery - it made no difference to me - why should it have? - and though I can't mind-read the creator, I'm guessing it was never meant to be a digital America which other nationalities could visit, but not actually be citizens of. Would I have signed up for a virtual America? Maybe not - or, then again, maybe I would have - as a digital tourist to a nation which in RL I have not visited. Could have been interesting. But would I have set up home there, as I did in SL? Mm. No, I doubt it - I actually would have been foreign there.

    However, that's not what I've ever perceived SL as. Maybe it was, in its beginning, but by the time I heard about it and joined, it was a global phenomenon, albeit tangibly Western in nature, and appeared to be populated with people from every corner of our planet. 

    Sure, I get that the clever man who invented it is American, and consequently his company is located in the US. So, yes, I get that LL is American and must abide by US laws first and foremost (though if I've understood correctly, if I broke a British law in here, I'd be liable for prosecution in the UK - not sure me crying 'But I was virtually in America!!!' would be of much help), but surely SL itself was never meant to be America?

    How would SL's virtual Japan and Italy and China and Africa fit into the equation? And what would that make me and so many others? Teleporting Tourists? Virtual Visitors? Imaginary Immigrants?

    So, unless I've totallymisunderstood the spirit of the thing, there are no 'foreigners' inside SL, regardless of where our RL bodies are sitting. 

     

     

     


  6. Malanya wrote:

    Yeah I know no one was seeking counsel or expect an outcome from here. Saying that people in foreign countries don't count is a sad way to think, but it's their thought to think.

    Yeah, but Malanya, maybe that's the point - maybe non-Americans don't feel 'foreign' in SL - maybe they feel they belong to SL as much as any American, and maybe it's something to do with Americans seeing them as foreigners in what they consider their own virtual nation which is at the root of the issue.  


  7. Amethyst Jetaime wrote:


    Nova Convair wrote:


    Amethyst Jetaime wrote:


    Nova Convair wrote:

    Some people seem to feel bashed, but in the OP is nothing about LL or the americans in general. Seems some people can't read or work for Alienware.
    :)

    To the OP: I agree and I already noticed that. If someone treats you 2nd class, just don't buy their products. So for me I see no problem.
    :)

     

     

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    Apparently my first post on this giving some pretty valid reasons for this sailed right over you head. 

    I see non US websites all the time offering contests that US citizen's can't enter. Do I get upset about it? No.

    I see contests in the US I can't enter because I don't qualify for one reason or another.  Do i get upset about ?  No.

    I don't see any people from Rhode Island on here complaining.

    Contests put restrictions on who can enter them all the time.  That's why there are qualification rules.  If you feel like that makes you second class that is more your problem than anyone else's.  Children think that everything should be on a level playing field then they mature and realize life is not fair and that is not the way it works.

    Who ever told you life was fair?  Life is too short to get worked up over such petty stuff.

     

     

    This is not about us or non us websites.

    It's about SL with citizens all over the world. You obviuosly aren't aware that SL is american but has citizens everywhere. SL events should take that into consideration.

    So this is obviously about 1st and 2nd class treatment.

    Of course the world isn't fair. But nor am I.
    :)
    I will draw my conclusions and it will influence my further actions. So it's negative advertisement in this case. Congrats to Alienware and LL as the hoster.

     

    I am very aware of the international population of SL as my friends in SL live in places all over the world.

    You are wrong about it not being a US vs Non US company website promotion.  This is
    not
    a SL event.  

    Yeah, but that's not entirely accurate, Amethyst. It appears on the LL news thingy as a contest to celebrate SL's anniversary. That's exactly how it's worded. Maybe you discover that it isn't an SL-thang when you go further than just reading that piece of news (I didn't bother since now I know I'm not eligible), but it IS undeniably being presented as a SL10B event within SL. 

    To suggest that LL has no control...well, of course nobody looks a gift horse in the mouth, but it's possibly the way it's been presented - as an SL10B contest, when it isn't, which is leaving people perplexed.

    Can I also say - yes, of course Dell can do what they want - but being in the right over the right (sorry for the repetition) to do what you want doesn't have any sort of value whatsoever in a successful marketing campaign. It's not about proving the fairness/unfairness of the initiative, it's about how the initiative is perceived and, more importantly, whether that perception encourages people to go out and buy their product. It isn't politics or human rights - it's commerce, after all. S'all 'bout the money.

     

     

     


  8. ImaTest wrote:


    Aethelwine wrote:


    It is pretty poor of Linden Labs to be promoting something so publically that excludes large numbers if not the majority of the people it is advertising it to. That is bad and thoughtless marketing, especially after the thoughtless way they handled the third party exchanges and those that needed to use their services.

    You haven't seen or participated in many contests in your lifetime, have you?

    Most have some exclusions, period. There are companies with a worldwide presence that only allow residents of a certain area to participate. You have no idea why the exclusions are there, so how can you say they are unjust, or thoughtless marketing? There very well may be a valid reason behind them. Just as Rhode Island residents who are excluded, are for a very good reason.

    Alienware came to the lab with the contest, and they chose the terms. I'm sure they have a reason for them. 

    I think it's pretty likely that Alienware offered one of their pc's as a prize linked to SL10B, and got their logo on the SL10B t-shirts as part of the agreement. Nothing wrong with promoting, just odd that the pc comes across as one of the main (if not the actual main) SL10B contest prizes but not available to everyone, and, to be frank, even odder having
    their
    t-shirts as the 'official' SL10B t-shirt. No? Is it just me? 

    No, absolutely nothing wrong with promoting - but if it leaves a bitter taste in many potential clients' mouths, then you're doing it wrong. Sometimes it's not just about what, but where, when and how. I believe Confucius said that. Though I believe he was six-pints in at a pub at the time. I think he might also have muttered something about greed and ingratitude too, but I was pretty sozzled myself by that time and was busy doing my impression of Celine Dion to pay much attention to him.

    Two months use of a sim...well, by the time you've spent cash and time to landscape and build something on it, it'll be time to pack up your bags and go. Would have made more sense was to offer it for a year - that way you'd have had a chance to develop something which generated an income on it, so you could have kept it on
    and
    added to the SL economy. 

     

     

     


  9. Ciaran Laval wrote:


    Carole Franizzi wrote:

    Okay, so the pc prize was maybe more a publicity vehicle for the pc company than an actual SL birthday competition prize, but, just out of curiosity - what kind of prizes has LL been offering residents in anniversary-linked contests? 

    In the snapshot contest it was free use of a homestead for four months top prize and free use of a homestead for two months for two runners up.

    Four months? Two months? Golly gosh. I'm whelmed. Not over-whelmed. Just whelmed.


  10. Perrie Juran wrote:

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    Carole Franizzi wrote:

    Okay, so the pc prize was maybe more a publicity vehicle for the pc company than an actual SL birthday competition prize, but, just out of curiosity - what kind of prizes has LL been offering residents in anniversary-linked contests? 

    The last thing I got for free from LL was one of these Troobles.

     

     

    They were a little stringy but still very tasty.

     

     

    Golly. I'm so...erm...jealous. I've always wanted a whateverthatis on a stick.

    So, the lappy-toppy was THE big prize, by the looks of things. If only LL had the resources to offer a nice 'important' prize to all its residents...something which didn't ruffle the surface of national laws regarding contests. Something...I dunno...which didn't require packing up in bubble wrap and brown paper...something....not actually physical. Something made of...what's that stuff called? Ah, yes - pixels! 

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    T-shirts?? Uhm. I was thinking more along the line of a piece of land or substantial top-level creations purchased by LL from its finest artist/techy residents. 

     

     

     

     

     
  11. Greetings to you too.

    You really kinda hit the nail on the head in your post - SL, at its best, is a concentration of creative minds using a very modern medium. Aside from creating 3d objects, residents make themselves into creative projects - not just their avatars, but also their SL identities and 'lifestyles' are the result of massive doses of imagination. To be honest, I've hardly met anyone who plays SL as themselves, and many, even when you become SL friends, still guard their RL details jealously. One rare exception who comes to mind is Jo from the 30's Berlin project, but she's a pretty exceptional lady in all senses.

    I'm pointing out the obvious - you've been here since the start, so you know all of this better than me. What you also must be aware of is that because of the anonymity factor and the main draw of SL - the possibility to create a brand new identity - nobody can be sure of who anyone is. To function in here in the same professional medical capacity as RL, you'd have to be here 'as yourself', offering the means to your clients/patients to check up on your qualifications.

    Passing oneself off as Sanguinia, Queen of the Vampyres, is harmless, as nobody sane will ever assume you're actually claiming to be genuine undead royalty in RL too. Playing as the medical officer in a Star Trek RP sim, again, it's highly unlikely that the diagnoses given within the RP would ever be assumed to be valid in RL too - and even if they were, it's the patient who's a twerp, not the 'doctor' doing anything wrong. But to claim to be qualified in Reiki and Alchemical healing (what is that anyway??) and nurtritional science...before anything else, my words would have to be - prove it.

    I'm assuming Rayne Satyr isn't your real name. Before I even began to contemplate using your services, I'd need to know your real name and I'd need you to supply me with links which prove beyond all doubt that you're fully qualified in your field. 

     

     

     


  12. Suspiria Finucane wrote:


    Carole Franizzi wrote:


    Suspiria Finucane wrote:


    Carole Franizzi wrote:

    the swanky posh pc's


    So, the 14k gold layered diamond encrusted gaming case is going to far eh? :matte-motes-wink-tongue:

    I've told the girls that both you and I will be chaining ourselves to the railings of the Houses of Parliament in protest over mesh-related sexist policies. Might I suggest you leave the Tiffany's hardware at home. We'd kinda lose street-cred. Oh! By the way - we drew straws and since you weren't there, I drew a straw for you. Congrats. You' get to throw yourself under a passing horse. Anything for the cause, sister, right?

    Absolutely! Can I wear

    :matte-motes-evil-invert:

     

    No you canot. Don't want to terrorise the poor animal, do we?


  13. Suspiria Finucane wrote:


    Carole Franizzi wrote:

    the swanky posh pc's


    So, the 14k gold layered diamond encrusted gaming case is going to far eh? :matte-motes-wink-tongue:

    I've told the girls that both you and I will be chaining ourselves to the railings of the Houses of Parliament in protest over mesh-related sexist policies. Might I suggest you leave the Tiffany's hardware at home. We'd kinda lose street-cred. Oh! By the way - we drew straws and since you weren't there, I drew a straw for you. Congrats. You' get to throw yourself under a passing horse. Anything for the cause, sister, right?

  14. Hi Studio09. Welcome to SL. One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned but which is, I think, essential, is an AO. That's short for Animation Overrider and it's the thingy which makes you move like a human being rather than like a waddling robot. I've a horrid feeling the free ones aren't great, but maybe nowadays they're better than in the past. Sadly good or great ones are pretty-to-very expensive to buy, however, they make a MASSIVE difference.

    Maybe someone 'in' SL (I'm more of an ex-SLer) could let you know where to get a free one to keep you going.

    Oh! Eyes. They seem less important, but a pair of decent eyes make a face so much better. Redgrave used to hand out very decent free eyes - wonder if they still do? 

    My suggestion to you would be to look at the SL Marketplace site, filter according to price, and pick up as many nice freebies that take your fancy. Then when you have money to burn you'll already have an idea of creators who make stuff to your taste.

    Have fun!

  15. Maddy:
     
    You've stated that schadenfreude is an effect, not a cause. I'm arguing it's both.

    Carole: No, I didn't, Maddy. (Is Maddy short for Maddening, by any chance?). Right, one last time - what I've been saying is - oh, hell - here it is in pill form:-

    • Initially, psychological issues cause self-defence mechanism (schadenfreude)
    • Schadenfreude is thus an effect of psychological issues
    • Schadenfreude causes a sense of well-being to the self-esteem (its ‘healthy’ purpose)
    • Too much schadenfreude causes social/relational issues (potential 'unhealthy' effect)

     

     

    Maddy: I didn't take liberty with the paper, I took liberty with Aethelwine's comment....

    Carole (in tears): B-b-b-but YOU said you took a bit (!!!!) of liberty with the paper!

     

    Maddy: We are aware enough of our sub-conscious that we've been able to name it. Our awareness of it is tenuous to be sure, but we say things like "I feel conflicted", or "I just had a thought!", or "What was I thinking?" or "Her name is on the tip of my tongue, it'll come to me in a minute" that suggest we're aware our brains have minds of their own. When our sub-conscious processes can't resolve a conflict, they'll phone the conscious for a consultation.

    Me: Recognising and naming the phenomenon - intellectual, academic process - is not the same thing as recognising and naming the phenomenon when it occurs SUB-consciously in ourselves - since, if we are aware of the process in act, it can no longer be a SUB-conscious but is then a conscious one. Plus, I think you're confusing all of this with memory and other non-related concepts.

     

    Maddy: People feel guilt over schadenfreude......

    Me: Contemporary to when they feel it? You sure about that?

     

    Maddy: Yes, just as I previously observed that you and I, and everyone else, also comfort ourselves. I think I have a self-deprecating sense of humor. I'm also well aware that's a disarming defence mechanism. I (we) also self-protect.

    Me: We do. You most certainly have. Yes. And yes.

     

    Maddy: Hence the old saw "actions speak louder than words". Which is even more pitted with rust holes here than in RL.

    Me: EXACTLY! Here it's 100% based on what we tell one another about ourselves. There are no observable actions of the person - manuevering a puppet doesn't count. Our bodies by proxy - our avatars - are built to our own specifications and we do with them things we would never ever do with our RL bodies (proof of avatar-operator) detachment. Like the bodies, we create a personality according to our specifications by telling others who we are - which of course really means 'who we want to be'. Which, modifying the words of a wise man, is why you should never believe anything about anyone in here, though I'd add this - you can get very clear ideas of who you're dealing with if you read between the lines, listen to what's not being said and put everything that is being said through a filter.

     

     

     

     

     

     

  16. Maddy:"Schadenfreude is not a healthy pleasure to be boasting about."

    I could read this as meaning "schadenfreude isn't healthy", or that "bragging about it isn't healthy".

    Me: Wut again? After 3 or 4 pages of mega-posts which have seen you repeatedly questioning whether schadenfreude negatively impacts a person’s health (and me wearing out my fingernails typing explanations as to why this ‘phenomenon’ cannot be seen in terms of healthy/unhealthy) NOW you’ve decided you’re not sure whether it’s the bragging about it which is the problem??? Excuse me while I go bang my head off the wall for a couple of minutes.

     

    I'm not going to argue the first interpretation…

    B-b-b-but you have been doing just that all these pages!!!

     

     ….as I don't understand schadenfreude's efficacy as a coping mechanism

    BANG! BANG! BANG!

     

    Ouch.

     

    But if you take the conclusion of that paper and take a bit of liberty in rewording it, you can get...

    "Bragging about low self esteem is not healthy".

    A bit of liberty? A bit??? What line in the conclusion did you decimate to make it mean that?? Not one single part of that paper deals with how one’s schadenfreude is discussed with others, if my memory serves me correctly.

     

    The logic error I purposely made is that "people with low self esteem experience more schadenfreude" isn't the same as "people bragging about their schadenfreude have low self esteem".

    Huh? BANG!

     

    People with all levels of self esteem experience schadenfreude, but I think the rejiggering of the statement to show that bragging about schadenfreude isn't healthy will probably find some support, if only because there's maybe a little bit of schadenfreude in it.

    Yeah, but if schandenfreude is a sub-conscious mechanism, and since sub-conscious mechanisms are …erm…sub-conscious, when you’re affected by them, you’re unaware of it. That make sense? So, if a person is unaware of being affected by something, he can hardly boast about having it. You with me? Therefore….roll of drums…anybody claiming to be proud of being affected by a sub-conscious mechanism is….the one person in the room whom we can be sure is not schadenfroh! Now, how’s that for a theory?

    Here’s another one – what we say about ourselves to others is so heavily affected by how we want to be perceived that a person’s own self-description is not awfully reliable. Jumping back to your comment about others perceiving you as intimidating, I’m going to suggest that anybody reading your words should be questioning to what degree you are fulfilled by being seen as intimidating and therefore as to how accurate that label actually is. Yes, I know that others told you that’s how they perceive you, but you have to remember that only means that they find you intimidating - not that you actually are. The adjective might appeal to you and you may cultivate it, assume it as if it is one which fits you, even if it actually doesn’t. For many people, and in many situations, being intimidating is an excellent trait. I’m not picking on you – we all construct and try to project self-images which are usually inaccurate, but which are the ones we need. You do it. I do it. We all do. And, of course, you may actually be a scary beyatch. One last thing - don't forget - some people might have fun claiming to possess certain attributes just because the claim suscitates certain reactions in others.

  17. Maddy: The National Institutes of Health are funding research into the health effects of meditation. We already know that certain kinds of meditation affect dopamine production and blood flow in specific brain regious. We know we can teach patients to think in ways that reduce their need for pain medications. Functional MRI is helping locate specific regions of the brain which are responsible for specific kinds of cognition and thinking, and to better understand neurotransmitter production and modulation. You just know someone will eventually do schadenfreude tests on people with their heads stuck in MRI machines.

    Me: They've already done them. (see link below)

    Maddy: Yep, I hear about new studies all the time.

     

     

    Say wut?

  18.  Awe…come on!

     The Wiki article you linked is about mirror neurons, (!!!???!) and, ironically, if you scroll down far enough, it says that neuroscientists think that maybe this mirror neuron thingy is the neurological starting point for the human capacity to understand intentions, be self-aware and…wait for it…feel empathy!

     This isn’t a case of confusing one concept with a similar one – we’re back to cause and effect - (possible but unproven) physiological cause and cerebral/emotional effects. 

  19. I have to be honest - I find that one particularly galling because the person who coined it was (is?) a very privileged, wealthy man who most probably never did any job in his entire life which could be considered menial. It’s doubly irritating to me because of the word ‘attitude’. In my mind I see him looking condescendingly at his secretary, while saying this phrase, just after he’s asked her to sew a button on his jacket. The implication being it’s her fault if she feels demeaned, because it’s a problem of her attitude, not his demands. Plus, it’s politically correct rot. Of course, there are menial jobs. I’ve done more than a couple of them in my life-time. And, like you, I did them as best I could and with a smile on my face. It’s the attitudes of those I was serving which at times was soul-destroying. My particular pet hate was that horrible impatient finger-snapping to get you to hurry up. Urgh. No, Mister Whateverhisnameis, it was not my attitude which was the problem. There's nothing worse than being told how you should feel by someone who has absolutely no idea how you feel, and may actually be the cause of you feeling less than respected.

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