Lainey Thorne
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Thank you everyone for all the suggestions, comments, feedback and the messages in world. ♥
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4 minutes ago, Matty Luminos said:
That indicates to me that the dances provided in your venue are not good enough quality. Update your venue dance machines and guests won't need to use their own.
No disrespect intended but have you ever owned a club? We have dances from all the dance stores and we continually update, BUT from the moment dance hud were introduced people have refused to use house dances because they want to twerk or have booty dances or this dance or that dance or the simple fact that they only use their hud.
All the suggestions are great and I'm not trying to poke holes in them or disregard anything said but I've managed and owned club since my 3rd month of SL in 2007 so I've seriously dealt with situations over the years and made changes because of this or that, we've always been able to find a solution or work around. Those days seem to be over with these new players and creators. There only interested in selling their game which I get but from a business owner stand point we have to look at the entire picture of do we close the groups, shut off scripts, age verify, etc it will cut off patrons who have supported us for years and all of a sudden we want to make them age verify or not use "their" hud. From a business stand point thats a band aid on a bigger issue that will completely affect access to someone's favorite store, club, etc.
This is the first time EVER I've reached out for some idea how to deal with a situation but this is unlike anything we've dealt with before.
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Just now, Alrunia Ahn said:
In long term, what might be a way to get heard and maybe find protection by the lab could be to make a suggestion via the issue tracker / bug tracker.
You could for example ask for special requirements for scripted game systems, like... The developers who are providing systems that can be abused for griefing purposes are responsible for the product they provide and how it is used. Namely, their responsibility to track their members activities and if the users of their system are reported to Linden Lab, its their responsibility to block the system for this account, temp or permanent. I do know that this is possible from prior experience with a Combat System where game masters got moderation rights. How ever, this doesn't help you in the current situation.If it was my club ... I would consider to explain the situation via a letter in a good visible poster to my visitors and in a notice in case there is a group, then set the land to group access only. Make the group a paid group (you can refund that, but it grants that the griefer wont join.)
Its better than closing the business for a while until the hordes found a new prey ...
thank you Alrunia for your suggestions and we are definitely working on the issue/bug tracker but I wasn't aware that you could ask for special requirements and the other suggestions are definitely something to consider. We've always kept the group closed and only invite people that hang out but the small fee may be a good step to.
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Just now, Matty Luminos said:
Set the land to no scripts running (except for whoever has land management rights). If scripts don't run, their huds won't work so they won't be able to actually play the game on your land.
actually did try that but in our case, having a club, people want their dances and leave because they can't. In a perfect world all these suggestions absolutely make sense but this is SL where everyone has to have their dances, huds, etc and if they can't use it at your business they'll say ok and go some place else, possibly never giving the original place another chance.
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We have considered that since it was introduced but there is still alot of people that refuse to give LL any personal info and for any business you need patrons to be able to access your place of business, regardless if they are age verified. This is why there is frustration because its damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Why can't these games have a safe zone to businesses so they can operate normally and without interference? Their game play shouldn't cause disruptions or attacks on staff and anyone who is there. Its not fair to people that have put their heart, soul, time and energy into what they've created to have it destroyed because these games are allowed to run wild all over the grind and attack wherever and whenever they want.
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G'day,
I'm a club owner in SL and I'm hoping this is the right place for this. We are having issues with staff & patrons being attacked by players from Angel & Demons and for the past 2 weeks from Progeny which attacked anyone they could and the majority of people hadn't even heard of it til last night. These gaming systems no longer respect business rules of no Role Play on the premises, instead they send other members and do it again. Last night after we banned several members that are part of Progeny they sent other members to continue the harassment & attacks on a DJ who was working, then they all piled in to the landing point, flooded the sim with particles and crashed the sim. This is the second week in a row that they have attacked working staff.
A few months ago we had a similar situation with Angels & Demons, I reached out to the person who was their liege and the game creators, they all responded with there's nothing we can do about how players use our game.
Even if I did contact the creators of Progeny it states in their manual "But what if you don't like rules? Outside this tidy system of laws and civility live another kind of vampire, those who have chosen to live apart from the main society of Progeny....who have either been exiled from the community or have chosen to walk in the shadows, free of law and order...these are the 'Outcasts'...When a large group of Outcasts bands together they can apply to be granted the state of being a "Rogue House"...with their own set of rules."
Something needs to be done to protect businesses from these gaming systems. I was one of Sanctuary Rocks owners and I've owned Sanctuary of Rock since 2014 so we've seen all sorts of things that we've had to deal with to protect our business, staff and vips BUT these new gaming systems are refusing to even work with us to prevent these attacks in places of business. I get it from their perspective they created the game and its up to the users how they play but at the same time business owners can do nothing to keep it out of their stores, clubs, etc.
One thing about Bloodlines their players almost always respected the no biting rules.
A friend of mine told me this "yes the game he plays, can be played anywhere. He had me come to Truth hair one day, and it was to show me that he and a bunch of others were up high "fighting" and they were. a whole big group of people flying around attacking each other."
What can we do to keep business safe from these kinds of attacks? Keep our staff able to do a 2 hour shift without being attacked while working? Keep anyone visiting free from attacks or harassment?
If nothing is done to allow business to run smoothly and without attacks it will end up hurting all of Second Life and could cause business owners to close and/or leave SL because they have no rights to protect their businesses.
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NP Alwin...thank you for your response and I will definitely be following up and posting elsewhere, not because I don't trust what you've said.
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so we as business owners and paying members of SL have no rights to protect our businesses? To let the these gamers take over the grid and do whatever they want ? Even when its affecting our business?
That's unacceptable and it shouldn't matter if staff and/or customers play the game outside our businesses.
We have a right to protect the place of business and anyone who enters one should be able to feel secure that its a safe place they don't have to worry about being attacked or their shopping, dancing, etc is disrupted by game play.
They have more rights than those of us who support the SL economy and try to have places to shop, listen to music, have fun and no drama. Isn't that what most of SL wants? Other then these game players who only disrupt and ruin why people are here in the first place?
Gotcha!
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They did the griefing as a response to the banning of their fellow players
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G'day,
I'm a club owner in SL and we are having issues with staff & patrons being attacked by players from Angel & Demons and for the past 2 weeks from Progeny. These gaming systems no longer respect business rules of no Role Play on the premises, instead they send other members and do it again. Last night after we banned several members that are part of Progeny they sent other members to continue the harassment & attacks on a DJ who was working, then they all piled in to the landing point, flooded the sim with particles and crashed the sim. This is the second week in a row that they have attacked working staff.
A few months ago we had a similar situation with Angels & Demons, I reached out to the person who was their liege and the game creators, they all responded with there's nothing we can do about how players use our game.
Even if I did contact the creators of Progeny it states in their manual "But what if you don't like rules? Outside this tidy system of laws and civility live another kind of vampire, those who have chosen to live apart from the main society of Progeny....who have either been exiled from the community or have chosen to walk in the shadows, free of law and order...these are the 'Outcasts'...When a large group of Outcasts bands together they can apply to be granted the state of being a "Rogue House"...with their own set of rules."
Something needs to be done to protect businesses from these gaming systems. I was one of Sanctuary Rocks owner and I've owned Sanctuary of Rock since 2014 so we've seen all sorts of things that we've had to deal with to protect our business, staff and vips BUT these new gaming systems are refusing to even work with us to prevent these vicious attacks. I get it from their perspective they created the game and its up to the users how they play but at the same time business owners can do nothing to keep it out of their stores, clubs, etc.
One thing about Bloodlines their player almost always respected the no biting rule.
A friend of mine told me this "yes the game he plays, can be played anywhere. He had me come to Truth hair one day, and it was to show me that he and a bunch of others were up high "fighting" and they were. a whole big group of people flying around attacking each other."
What can we do to keep business safe from these kinds of attacks? Keep our staff able to do a 2 hour shift without being attacked while working? Keep anyone visiting free from attacks or harassment? If nothing is done to allow business to run smoothly and without attacks it will end up hurting all of Second Life if and when business owners close or leave SL.
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Thank you...I submitted a support case also.
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Hi everyone
I finally was able to get a Victorian home today so of course I immediately tp'd over and wanted to get to work. When I arrived I clicked the control panel to activate it but it wasn't the build I wanted to after figuring out how to change the build I switched ii to the Verne but when I click the control panel nothing happens. I relogged and still nothing so I changed it back to the originaland the control panel works but if I try any of the others it doesn't work at all. I went through the forum but didn't find anything that could help and I am not sure what I need to do to get this fixed so help plz.
Any help would be great...thank you
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At least your getting your offlines..I can't even get those to show up and I have checked, rechecked, unchecked and rechecked and still its doesn't work
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!!! CALLING ALL DJS !!!!
There are quite a few DJ's who no longer want to spin on a regular basis, but like to DJ when they get the itch. Sanctuary of Rock would like to invite those DJs to guest at SOR. You will not be SOR staff, but you will be part of a pool of DJs that will be invited to DJ if no SOR staff is available. You may also be invited to do special events, or even be invited to take part in a DJ battle!
This is something brand new we are trying out, so right now we are just looking to add guest DJs that play Rock and any of its sub-genres; EBM and Industrial.
If you think you might be interested, stop by and check out SOR! https://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Serena Nightingale/39/76/1999
If this is something that would work for you, fill out an app and we'll get in touch.
https://forms.gle/HQD4e9VWMVg5HRCN8
I finally was able to get a Victorian home today so of course I immediately tp'd over and wanted to get to work. When I arrived I clicked the control panel to activate it but it wasn't the build I wanted to after figuring out how to change the build I switched ii to the Verne but when I click the control panel nothing happens. I relogged and still nothing so I changed it back to the original
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