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8 minutes ago, Milk Pixelmaid said:

Aw! Did you want something else? That’s great. 

Don't worry,  they're just playing the house game  

They get homes, publish them here and abandon them progressively, I guess it will be a fun game...

 

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44 minutes ago, Nika Talaj said:

ARGHHHHHH  Good lord, are you like this in RL?

People have been telling you all day that terrific abandons are not,  at this time, all that rare.  If you don't believe any of us (and clearly you don't), then please believe the reality of what you just experienced.

TERRIFIC ABANDONS ARE NOT TERRIBLY RARE RIGHT NOW.

 

 

I'm not as bad a person as I seem,  sometimes I just like to create a bit of controversy and see what happens, but I do it without bad intention.   I don't have many luck, and when you see people here every day posting about their great and awesome homes they got with their X premiums alts... got a bit angry.  Most of the day I'm a normal person

 

39 minutes ago, GinaFreumann said:

I'm not sure what you mean, Lucille, by your distaste for an "abandoned" home.  Are you thinking its like a real life home, where there was a previous tenant, who left dings in the wall & dust bunnies behind the fridge?  That doesn't really apply to a virtual house that didn't suit someone's taste.  They are all clean & shiny each time you rez one.  No dust bunnies.  Maybe you just need to think about it a different way?  Instead of keeping the copy you tp into, rez a new one & its a completely new house, never touched by anyone before you.  If you like the neighborhood, you stay.  If it doesn't suit you, abandon & try again.  It usually is a slow process, but that can be fun.  Now that I'm (temporarily) settled, I miss the hunt, lol.

Don't be discouraged or disappointed, make a game of it.   😉

Haha,  never mind!  I see you did find your dream, congratulations.  Its a great spot, & I love the yellow you chose.

I'm an adult,  GinaFreumann, and I fully understand that homes in SL are what they are, bits as all, they don't have old or crap furnitures of previous owners…   it's your new home when you got it… that's clear.  Here the homes don't have an history. they don't keep things from other people.  The "abandoned" concept refers to a home that someone has previously left, different than a "new home" released by Linden.  But right, both are homes.

Yes, you can call it a game, it's just the way to get a Linden Victorian home.

Oh no, I didn't select that yellow…. it was there in the home...

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3 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

I would have tossed that back if it had gone to me. The sand texture drives me nuts...

Which is basically the theme here - what one of us dream of, another flees from. If we keep it up, eventually with luck we'll all end up in the right spots for each of us.

Basically my preference is to be next to or in the water, but with green right up to the water land... which is... very rare...

 

 

It's very true that what some people like, others dislike ... but with more available homes everybody will get what they want, and not only people with alts.

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7 minutes ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

So after all that, you found an abandoned you like after all! It's a Festivus miracle!

Sure, I found the needle in the haystack 

But I still think that this was one in a thousand, almost impossible.

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4 minutes ago, Hendrix Portal said:

Lucille, you got *my* ideal Victorian! 😄 And someone gave that up! Congratulations indeed.

 

Thank you :

It was the style I like, the grass is beautiful but I feel more comfortable with the sand, and the views are good.  But I'll have to play a bit with the colours, that yellow wall kill me.

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I think luck just smiled at me, finally.
After requested a Victorian home again, thinking that I had already used my daily quota of five, and by surprise I got this:

http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Bishopshead/200/148/24

I'm still trying to imagine why someone would leave this ... it's amazing, just what I was looking for .... sand

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15 minutes ago, Pussycat Catnap said:

So...

Right now I have 3 premiums which is NOT what I intend.

But...

I wanted a houseboat. I've wanted that since I knew about water land in SL not too long after I went premium in 2009... On mainland it always looked like this:

And that's better than most... That's actually some prime good quality spots right there with little view obstruction... compared to the norm...

So when I saw Bellisseria had houseboats... and missed getting in... I tried my luck again along that coast up there... and got worse than what you see...

Eventually I discovered they were adding regions so I kept on trying and managed to get my houseboat.

But I also wanted a landed spot somewhere... so I spun up 2 alts to play them off against each other and see who could get the best spot.
- that's what people do... now I'm waiting for one alt's premium to expire because the other one has a Victorian on the water... And I'm now playing my alt off against my 'main' and she's just landed a Houseboat that might be even better... and if I keep it, I'm stuck with 3 premiums...

I will probably then just keep having my main cycle through 5 houseboats a day until she beats out my alt...

- Now... what that means is that I will keep adding plots BACK into the pool.

Which is exactly what you're seeing with Victorians right now...

People with 2 alts each having a chance are basically nitpicking over things like "that flower is 1m too far to the left... toss this plot back because my other alt has a plot that I can settle for..."

- But if that flower's position is just fine for almost anybody... then you're odds are still decent to be the one to get that spot.

 

And I have seen other people toss back my 'dream houseboat' several times...

 

Yes I agree with you. It seems that people are using their premium alts to play the "home game" and see who gets the best for upload the picture here

I want to assume that a considerable amount of those homes obtained simply by roll the dice more times will be available again in a short period, either because collectors get tired of them or don't renew their premiums.  

I wish you luck in your search, I hope you find what you need.

 

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1 hour ago, Beth Macbain said:

This is stuck in my head now and I thought it only fair to share.

 

 

And what about this?

 

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54 minutes ago, LittleMe Jewell said:

If you truly do not want any abandoned property then, based upon everything that I can see and know so far, you will not get a Victorian.  Best I can tell, there will not be any more regions of Victorians released.  The ONLY way to get one will be an abandoned one. 

Even though I have alts that own multiple types of homes - a Traditional, a Houseboat, and a Camper - I am not willing to give those up.  Therefore, I only have one Premium account left to use for trying to find a Victorian that I like.  Thus, even with my alts owning other homes, I have no more than 5 chances per day -- just like you -- to get a Victorian home.

Certainly until Linden releases more new Victorians homes, the only way to get one will be waiting for other people abandons.  Keep up the home game!

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38 minutes ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

Yes, but you are complaining about it. lol

Oh, and here's the abandoned one I just got. Pretty nice, IMO!

 

 

Well, someone had to talk about this home collecting process, and yes, I give a different opinion to most people, I'm free to write as long as they don't censure me.

Congratulations for the home.

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Sorry for not using the multiquote to answer more than one message.

22 minutes ago, Nika Talaj said:

This is not my experience.  Most of the homes I've kept, sometimes for months, were originally abandons.   I don't know if you've tried to pick up any traditionals, but if you're brand new to Bellisseria, you might try picking up some of them, just to get straight in your mind what you most want in a home. 

Our (my partner's and my) houseboat studio in Fourze, with the view that everyone who sees the pics here in the forums oos and ahs over, was an abandon.  We're probably never letting it go.

We abandoned the most adorable parcel in Miller's Pond to get a Vic.  We got that as an abandon, set it up as a lakeside cottage, and loved it. 

I had a hard time letting a camper that my partner thought was icky go.  It had the neatest stairs by a little creek as an entrance to the parcel.  No other water, but right behind one of LL's forest cabins.  But it rang no bells for my partner.

What rings your Belli bell, Lucille?  Be sure you know it when you see it!

 

Answering you doubt, yes, I tried with all the homes even campers, I wanted to see what each model offered before get one.   I got a Traditional a few days ago in a nice place with beach sand but the homes on my right and left were full of pretty ugly crap rezzed, unpleasant to see them near, so unfortunately I had to leave that home.  About boats, well, not bad if you specially like that kind of living, they are not my favorites.  

Maybe I expressed myself wrong by associating abandoned with bad.

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18 minutes ago, Atina0 said:

Most of the abandoned houses are not in attractive places.

 

That is so untrue , the best places often are abandons  for the simple reason not many can hold their favorite plot for long cuz their premium accounts ends for what ever reason .

its all a matter of feeling YES  this is it !! that makes you want to keep a house or boat or camper it has nothing to do with second hand or new .

May be I didn't trying long enough, maybe that's reason, but understand that while I can only roll the dice five times in 24 hours , other people do it more. 

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8 minutes ago, moirakathleen said:

Just curious if this is the first time that you have tried to get one of the new Linden homes.  There were plentiful Victorians available all the time for the first 5 days that they were released earlier this month.  Also, that same release also included traditionals and house boats and was the first time that I can remember that all types of the new homes were available pretty much every day. 

Right now, there are available traditionals, house boats and campers - that was not something that was seen prior to the major December release.  New Linden homes have never been as available as they are right now. 

The best locations that I've personally come across have been locations someone else had abandoned.  In earlier releases (prior to this month) I always kept the first location I got because there was so much demand that they did not stay readily available for a week or two like they did this month.  This time, I did abandon and then retry on this single account for maybe 6 or 7 times, and al most of the retries were better locations that the first Victorian I had received.  I ended up back at with Traditionals because I decided I like them better than the Victorians, and ended up with a wonderful parcel there after a couple of retries.

The conversation over alts being used to get new Linden homes, as well as who should have first choice on the new Linden homes (new accounts, old accounts, those with old Linden homes, those without old Linden homes, etc., etc. ) were common in the forums here all the time when the first homes were released and almost immediately sold out last Spring. 

To satisfy your curiosity, although I've been in Second Life for many years, it's the second time I have upgraded my account to Premium, and it was on a recent date.  Therefore, as you will understand, it's materially impossible for me to get a Linden home before December.   I really liked the Victorian homes sims, so I tried to get one, simply to enjoy it as other extra of my premium.

I think it's a legitimate right to want a home in a location that you like, but every time I tried the Victorians, I received them in places clearly abandoned by other users.  And yes, other people got great "abandoned" homes by others, and what I call "abandoned" could be someone else's dream home, I can understand it.   But in these last days it's hard to get a Victorian, and I asked myself that question… again... how long are the premium alts going to hold homes that will then end up abandoning if they don't like them, or they don't renew their premiums?

I'm only surprised by this alt "collecting homes" game.

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1 minute ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

Except that you are wrong with your generalization about abandoned houses. To prove a point, I just (not five minutes ago) got a lovely ocean-side ABANDONED home. That prejudice of yours is what I am referring to when I say you are limiting yourself... but if you want to stick to that, go for it. It just leaves more homes for the rest of us.  

You're completely free to request many houses as you want, just as I'm free to keep a home or not, if it's not where I like it, right?

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1 minute ago, Cindy Evanier said:

How many premium alts do you actually think people are paying for?  As said before, its  not an army.  I doubt there are many who can afford to pay for more than 2.  Still if they are paying for them and have the right to 5 attempts too

Obviosly I can't answer that question,  and nobody was going to answer that, because it's a private matter.  But without mentioning anyone's name, just read several pages of this thread and see how people talk about "getting houses with their alts". 

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1 hour ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

Well, then you choose to limit yourself, and that's your right, but don't then complain because the Victorian of your dreams has not yet dropped into your lap. You need to work at it a little bit just like every one else does, and maybe open your mind to the possibility that, as several people have now said, abandons are lovely, too.

Alts are not harming your chances in any way at all, *particularly* since many people hunt with alts and promptly abandon.... oh, wait. You don't want "abandoned".  

Of course I set a limit, I don't need to collect homes with a few premium alts, I've subscribed the anual for other reasons and just trying to get a home in a place where I would like it. Most of the abandoned houses are not in attractive places. I think it is easy to understand without twisting the argument of my message.

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1 hour ago, Cindy Evanier said:

Simply not true.  You get the same 5 chances a day that every paid premium does  (except Alwin who is stuck with an error message 👼)  

Sorry to disagree with you but you're not right. and it's simple:

One premium account = five house requests every 24 hours

X premium accounts = X * five house requests every 24 hours.

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35 minutes ago, Sylvia Tamalyn said:

It's fair. Each alt is a paid Premium account, and is therefore entitled to a Linden home. 

Aside from that, Victorians are obviously available since people *are* getting them. They just aren't as readily available as you might like. Patience, and you will get one, too.

ETA: If I recall correctly, you said previously you did not want an abandoned home. If that was you, I'd point out that this is obviously going to hamper you in your quest. 

Of course, like everyone I want a home that I like,  and while I keep trying with my premium account, there are people who have several alts, and my chances are ridiculous.   For that reason I ask myself the question of the previous message, what is the limit of the "home collectors"?

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Marianne, it's always fair for Linden, as long as those premium alts keep their account up to date in payment.  And very profitable if the same people don't stop upgrading accounts to get more homes, Linden always win in this.   I'm not proposing any limitations, I just comment and I wonder where are the limit of the "home collectors".  I think someone had to talk about this, it's all.

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I know that this post is going to be quite unpopular and  may offend anyone of those who post messages in this thread, but it seems a bit unfair that while there are people collecting homes with many alts,  others can't get simply one, I mean to Victorians specifically.  And I'm sorry, that's my point of view about this.

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9 minutes ago, s2Pandora said:

They are sold out now. They were available freely and easily for about 6 days starting on the 16th before they ran out. I'm sure they will create more early in the coming year.

For now, the best you can do is watch/refresh the land page. Sometimes you'll see an abandoned victorian come up.

Thank you, I'll wait for new releases I guess, it's better than get an abandoned home anywhere

 

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Hello everybody, I'm new in this thing of the Linden homes.

Does anybody know why now there is no available Victorian homes?, I've looked several times during this afternoon and nothing.  

There is no more?

[Marketplace o la desertización del mundo.]

Tu opinión es razonable hasta cierto punto, es muy cierto que grandes espacios de Second Life se han convertido en tiendas gigantes donde cualquier cosa tiene cabida, y muchas de dudoso gusto estético.

Pero no hay que olvidarse de algo vital, el presente y futuro de muchas actividades en SL dependen del comercio dentro del juego.  Los costes de comprar y mantener terreno son disparatados  y no todo el mundo se los puede permitir, las tiendas y centros comerciales eran la mejor fuente de financiación.  Si todo ese comercio en lugar de hacerlo los jugadores queda en manos de Linden, me temo que efectivamente en un plazo no muy largo veremos cada ves más terrenos abandonados por la imposibilidad de mantenerlos o generar ingresos de ningún tipo.

Haciendo referencia a una frase que has dicho, esto es puro comercialismo... puede ser.  Desde el momento que Linden impone esas tarifas bajo mi punto de vista desproporcionadas, disponer de un espacio para construir o crear aunque sea por el mero hecho de hacerlo sin ningún interés comercial ya tiene un coste elevado, y "obliga" a rentabilizar, osea dedicar una porción de ese terreno a fines comerciales o residenciales.  Es fácil de entender,  u otros te pagan los costes o pones dinero propio si puedes... y no todo el mundo se lo puede permitir.

Hace un rato lo comentaba con mi pareja, Marketplace terminará estrangulando Second Life, hará que desaparezcan muchos sims de todo tipo, que se produzca un abandono masivo de mainlands (más todavía), y esto se convierta en una plataforma "elitista" donde sólo los pudientes puedan tener cabida.   Y yo no quiero ese Second Life, es aburrido.

 

 

 

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Negocio claro está, Linden es una empresa privada con ánimo de lucro como todas, nadie pone eso en duda a estas alturas. Yo lo que critico abiertamente es esa política de machacar sistemáticamente a la gente que poner dinero RL en esto, y por otra parte plantear ofertas con anuncios no del todo claro, si se puede decir asi.

Linden es únicamente una máquina de hacer dinero, pero eso tiene un riesgo. Cuando una tuerca se aprieta demasiado se termina pasando la rosca, y pasará si no frenan un poco sus ansias de ganar dinero. Aunque si te digo la verdad creo que han "idiotizado" a una cantidad preocupante de gente, que se tira de cabeza a todo lo que le ofrecen, que casi nunca es gratis aunque así te lo quieran vender.

Y yo insisto sobre la Linden Home, de regalo nada de nada. Tienes que convertir tu cuenta básica a Premium (primer gasto), y en caso que ya lo fueras y tuvieras otro terreno mainland, incrementar tu tier (ya hay gente quejándose al respecto).  Y la calidad de estas construcciones, con todo respeto a la gente que opine lo contrario, es mediocre.

Por supuesto que nadie te obliga a tener Linden home, faltaría más, cada cual es libre de solicitarla o no, yo sólo digo que en lugar de "regalar" estos ghettos baratos, se podrían plantear una reforma a fondo de las Premium, otorgándoles más ventajas en relación a las cuentas básicas, para que así realmente merezca la pena dejar de ser un jugadora/or básico.

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Aiko.Ying escribió:

Bueno, en mi humilde opinión creo que es una estrategia de marketing y obvio que para captar cuentas premium. Pero también creo que puede ser de mucha ayuda, para el que le interese, claro. Creo que tiene la ventaja de que puedes obtener un lugar donde vivir sin ningún costo, en el caso de que no te puedas permitir gastar mucho, si puedes, si, mejor estar en una isla

Completamente de acuerdo en ese punto, Aiko.  Aunque hayan querido venderlo como mejoras de la cuenta Premium, se trata únicamente de una campaña de captación de nuevas cuentas, recaudar dinero y a hacer caja

En cuanto al tema de costos, sería cuestión de hacer números en relación a qué vale mantener una cuenta Premium (descontando el bono único de 1000 L$ y los 300 L$ semanales) y qué nos costaría un alquiler a otra persona, ya fuera en mainland o en terrenos privados. Globalmente quizás fuera un poco más barato la Linden Home, pero también habría que tener cuenta sus grandes limitaciones.

Por contrario, alquilar terreno a otro usuario/a  (a gente seria, obviamente) presenta ventajas, normalmente puedes poner la casa que quieras, incluidos skybox, y cuando te canses del sitio es tan fácil como comunicarlo al arrendador. Para rebajar el coste de la Linden Home, seguramente tendríamos que hacernos una suscripción anual, y naturalmente Linden no va a devolverte el tiempo no consumido si decides ponerle fin al Premium. Tampoco estoy segura si una vez abandonada la Linden Home, podrías solicitar otra.

Yo creo que valorando individualmente las ventajas del alquiler privado, merecen ese pequeño coste superior al Linden Home. La "libertad" tiene un precio opino yo.

Otra curiosidad que tengo es cómo va a afectar al mercado de compra-venta-alquiler de terrenos esta campaña de Linden. Hay vendedores que comercian habitualmente con terrenos de 512 metros orientados hacia el usuario/a recien llegado o que busca tener su primer sitio al que llamar casa. Me pregunto con cierta inquietud qué va a pasar si toda esa posible clientela ahora se la lleva Linden, ¿tendremos otra avalancha de terrenos a precio de saldo o abandonados?.  Pase lo que pase al final gana el de siempre, Linden Labs, ingresando dinero de nuevas cuentas Premiums y "quitándoselo" a los vendedores privados (propietarios/as de mainland y estados).