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Your argument was that there is no issue because there is no chatter about it in their chats. I've told you that of those users who I know had issues with the latest release 100% of them have rolled back, and didn't run into their chats. If Firestorm doesn't fix those issues, I guarantee you that there will be quite some chatter about this once they force the Firestorm PBR viewer onto people. How many people I know have rolled back to the old version? More than I know are using the latest version. That in itself is concerning.

Your assumption is wrong. While I have no problem with FS, and I've been using the Beta just fine since forever, I'm meeting many people who have tried out the latest version and rolled back due to severe issues. They don't complain in their chats. They just don't use it.

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The SL business model doesn't depend on user masses in contrast to projects that are financed by for example advertising. That said, bringing in more users is surely Linden's #1 goal.

Can you give a few examples with the exact settings you used, so we can see what is worse than ever and what's making newbies immediately quit SL? If I had such a huge grievance with this topic I'd post a couple of examples and say.. look guys, this is how terrible it looks now compared to this how it was before. Otherwise it's just like throwing around FPS numbers without any way to compare them. Not saying that you're making things up, but there can't be a discussion based on just claims.

I suppose reviews are currently disabled since it's in the Beta state. I hope that once reviews are possible and the app is fully working and functional, everyone here who enjoys SL can put their grievances aside for a moment and rate SL 5 stars. If there's a functionality missing that you absolutely wanted, give it 5 stars even though and create a jira. It won't help if SL enthusiasts are downvoting the app due to minor issues and make it less relevant for potential new users.

I'm talking about your tone. When you say "if they can't afford a PC when their hobby is playing a video game" you are ridiculing people. And there is no need for that here. People have been enjoying SL on their crappy devices. They are part of SL and a community. It's not about "playing a video game". Have some more respect.

Some people can't afford it. There is no need to talk down to them like this.

Has the reason been explained? I know that there are people who have been running SL on the absolute minimum. No ALM. Derendering people in fuller sims. Not great FPS. Not a great experience, objectively. However, SL actually may be one of the very few games that they in fact can run and have fun with it. People in SL come from all over the world. It is NOT possible for everyone just to save some bucks and upgrade. They also have friends in SL. If a good friend couldn't get on SL anymore due to the latest changes, I would be really unhappy about this.

The initial post puts so much effort into complaining, but what does it not do? It doesn't provide one single before/after image with detailed settings. So there is not really even a base for discussion. I had to remove my water surface prims because with PBR they were glitching, and there are for sure more incompatibilities. I also don't agree with avatar skin shadows. My non PBR house looks awesome with PBR though. I also don't use my own custom EEP settings. Either default, or sim settings. I understand that the thread starter is extremely annoyed, but objectively PBR is not something that will drive new users away.

They're already trying to get around spam filters because they KNOW what it is.. spam Wouldn't complain if obscuring words like "Giveaway" or "Like" in order to get around filters led to immediate bans from the platform.

What do you even mean by that?! Which TPV sends the information username/IP (or whatever you mean by private data) to their servers? Could you clarify? edit: just in case this is not responded to and people read this. No, it's misinformation. Firestorm etc do NOT collect private information like the combination of username/IP. They can't collect private information because it's not sent to their servers. It's not needed for the functionality and would be considered malicious code. The source code is also public.

That argument doesn't make sense. It would lead to saying "ok guys, let's mirror all our data across 10 different companies, not a difference, because it already exists in 1 company (LL)." Sorry but it's a difference if that data is stored at LL, where it has to be stored in the first place because nothing can exist without it, or if we mirror our data across new companies that nobody knows anything about.

Okay, let's look at these questions.. rl websites: what are these? amazon? twitter? If there's a data breach at amazon, they got my address, they don't need my IP anymore. There's nothing I can do about this. Twitter has 368 million monthly users, I'm a needle in a haystack, nobody cares about my IP. If I were making enemies on twitter, or lived in a sus country, I probably would use a VPN and would be cautious, yes. sl websites: what other SL websites get 10k users signing up with their real SL username in 2 days? I don't see another precedence for this, it's something new. The dimensions that existed before were tiny. You have games like crystalcraze that do check your IP, the casper management website before it was bought by Linden was already able to track your IP. In order to operate various services you have to expose your IP or use a VPN. Just, like I said, those are many small services affecting only a very small proportion of SL users. What you have now is potentially lots of data accumulated in one place. edit: I forgot slexchange, which was probably a bigger one. But, has been bought by Linden. So has casper. I really wouldn't mind Linden working together with primfeed and work something out.

It's another reason why I would have preferred Linden creating this site (or extending their web functionality to a similar extend.) It doesn't matter if I trust the creator or not, I 100% appreciate his efforts to create this, it's awesome. But there is no way around the issue that it's a 3rd party potentially creating a huge collection of a) SL username / SL password combinations (because many people will use their SL passwords) and of b) SL username / IP combinations. I'm sorry but it doesn't matter if anyone promises that there is no data collected. Why? Because nobody can check or control it! So I'm not saying that the creator is lying, by all means, but there is no control, and trusting ANYONE in this regard, independent of this project, would just be naive. That's the reality. And if there were data collected (which there maybe/probably is not but we can't check or control it) then there's always the risk of a data breach. Hotel chains, credit card companies get hacked, we can't have the trust that something as small as a 3rd party SL service can't get hacked, or that the data couldn't leave whatever way.