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17 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:
Personally I think they should be disabled.
I agree. I'm in the same camp. I have better things to do than to make sure I have given likes and such. I'm busy. I just don't have the time.
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40 minutes ago, Innula Zenovka said:
When people become obviously nonsensical, I simply use the ignore button, and I wish more people did, too.
I think most of us agree with you Innula. I just wanted to say one post but then make myself clearer on what I meant by my one post. If we all continued posting, it would be just a back and forth like tennis that never, ever ends. I also have work to do, so I am out of the thread now as I don't have time nor the luxury of time for internet "tennis". I knew the poster would not listen to me anyhow, but stuff they were saying the vaccine would do is actually what not taking the vaccine would do and I found that rather ironic. Done. out.
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7 minutes ago, Chroma Starlight said:
Stop apologizing for failed governments and apocalyptic government policy.
It doesn't matter if people are paid if they'd have to quarantine, it's the fact that it makes the business unstable and possibly lose money and/or even have to attempt to hire temps which is utter chaos.
What you propose by not vaccinating is apocalyptical.
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4 hours ago, Chroma Starlight said:
Test.
Quarantine.
Contain.
🐍🐍🐍
Test, quarantine, contain is outdated if and when vaccines are available to you or anyone. Many people in certain areas are vaccinated now and they don't want to quarantine as who would do their job for that long of a quarantine? Quarantines are outdated and people want a stable working life. I do not think you will believe me that what you propose is outdated; however, I just wanted to say that.
Your idea above puts people and businesses on a rollercoaster, and it is outdated by vaccines.
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27 minutes ago, Chroma Starlight said:
Look at what they're purporting down there in New Zealand, isn't this fascinating. Not a word about this here. Could it be that this is pro-war Propaganda circulating in the British Commonwealth countries?
Doesn't this make your skin crawl, as if a liar is manipulating you into acting or believing against your own best Enlightened interests to do something even crazier than Brexit?
Pro-war propaganda or phishing scheme? I'd say phishing schemes. Your best bet is to not click on those as all you will get are more phishers.
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26 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:
Having a telephone in your home was never free.
I was trying to remember if I was correct about free phones when I was a little girl. I always thought the phone was free when I was a kid. I am mistaken about that then.
27 minutes ago, Silent Mistwalker said:My decisions have nothing to do with commercials and everything to do with greedy musicians.
Greed is prevalent in this world there is no doubt about it. Money is a made up thing where man decided to place a value on just about everything.
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1 hour ago, Silent Mistwalker said:
Not only did I stop listening to AM/FM radio
I don't know why you would stop playing AM/FM radio as it's free for the listeners not the broadcasters though. The radio stations pays the royalties and all can listen for free.
1 hour ago, Silent Mistwalker said:There was a time when water was free
I don't remember water ever being free but I do remember free TV and free phones. I think the cable companies want an absolutely outlandish price for cable TV. And, now we all have to pay for phones too. Radio is free though and mostly paid for by the advertisers. I never pay for radio. Cable and phones pay out the ying and the yang.
I never minded free TV and it's commercials which used to pay for the TV.
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2 hours ago, FairreLilette said:
We don't have to pay royalties for others to hear our music in real life.
No, we don't. And, furthermore, if I buy a copy of a movie, the whole world can come to my house and watch the movie.
Sorry, topic went off topic. I have not more to say either except I know the whole world, even if it took decades, could watch at my home a copy of a movie I bought or hear music I own. There is no clause that say "if you purchase this, only you can watch it or hear it". There is no such thing.
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18 hours ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:
Why does anyone have to blather on about licensing in this thread? As always the thread has turned into nothing about what the original post was about. If discussion needs to be said people need to go to the correct thread. No wonder no one can find anything on this forum. Why even bother putting a thread title in? LOL!
Yeah, way too much off topic about the Netherland's especially which is neither here nor there really. No DJ in SL is going to ask people coming into a club, are you from the Netherlands because I don't have a special license for you. That's just not gonna happen. But, if you want to continue with this @Alwin Alcott, make your own thread.
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11 minutes ago, Sam1 Bellisserian said:
Why does anyone have to blather on about licensing in this thread? As always the thread has turned into nothing about what the original post was about. If discussion needs to be said people need to go to the correct thread. No wonder no one can find anything on this forum. Why even bother putting a thread title in? LOL!
Why blather on about blathering? Why not just state your opinion instead? This ^^^^ is just as much off topic as any of the posts about licensing for music in SL.
Some are saying because there isn't proper licensing then no payment should be given or that people shouldn't even go.
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5 minutes ago, Tarina Sewell said:
As stated in several posts, to stream music you need a license. That you do not find it unethical that many do not have said license is .. really a statement to your morals. So I would say, your statement is profoundly inaccurate.
I do not believe every individual has to have a license. If a club has one stream and license and DJ's have to use that, it's legal. It's like a radio station or even a church, they have several using the stream, not just one. I was told I needed a license most likely because I didn't have a job yet and more or less would have started out as an independent DJ, one not hired by a club with said license already.
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21 minutes ago, Desiree Moonwinder said:
If you stream music on the internet, you have to comply with copyright law or you are on the wrong side of the law. For most music, that means paying royalties. There are many clumsy attempts at Willful Blindness, but they are transparent for what they are.
What? The license and service do pay royalties. What else is copyright law on the internet in a nutshell besides royalties according to YOU as I don't have time to read threads and such.
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1 hour ago, Rowan Amore said:
What about licensing?
Shoutcast does not provide any music licensing of any kind to the stations that stream using our software and services, click here for more info.
Just to further clarify, I was going to be a DJ in SL and studied up on what to do a bit but real life plans changed for me so it ended up not a plan for me. But, I was told I would need to get a license.
From the SL Wiki, it does say, one needs to get a license.
Remember that streaming copyrighted music across the internet requires a license from your relevant national licensing authority. (It says this in the first paragraph in the SL Wiki below.)
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2 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
Sorry. This is the link.
https://help.shoutcast.com/hc/en-us/sections/115000265374-Music-Copyrights-Licensing
I edited my post above but I'll add another link here too...
This is the link on Shoutcast where it says to get a license from Sound Exchange.
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43 minutes ago, Rowan Amore said:
From Shoutcast's website. I know a lot of venues use this.
What about licensing?
Shoutcast does not provide any music licensing of any kind to the stations that stream using our software and services, click here for more info.
There was no live link there in your post. I looked up Shoutcast and I see it says to obtain a license from Sound Exchange. I remember this vaguely because I had wanted to DJ a few years ago and remember reading the Sound Exchange page briefly. I am not a DJ in SL though so I'm not familiar with all the goings on within the music here.
https://www.soundexchange.com/
This is Shoutcast's page where it says to get a license from Sound Exchange.
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1 hour ago, Innula Zenovka said:
In the UK, presumably it's PRS for Music if it's anyone, but I'm not really sure, but would that give me the right to play my stream to an American or Japanese visitor to my club?
This is the pay for stream for the U.K.? Is that what you are saying? Well, of course others can listen, if that's the internet stream provider for the U.K. for the internet, they can play their stream for whomever is there I would assume with an exception of North Korea wherein that leader said death penalty for anyone trying to sneak in K-Pop into North Korea and hard labor/jail time for those who own or play K-Pop. But, North Korea is an odd exception.
Also, I've never heard of having to pay per song to a DJ on the American radio? However, our radios are paid for by the advertisers or adverts as they are often called in Europe, and then radios pay out royalties through companies that process those payouts according to the radio plays each song received. I don't think it is against any countries laws, other than North Korea perhaps, to be a listener. Listeners usually aren't the ones paying the license; it's the player who pays the license. It sounds like in the Netherlands they don't want to pay for licenses, so no one is allowed to hear it albeit they believe privately they are allowed to hear/play it, whatever privately means to them...?. If their government broadcasters paid for the licenses, anyone can hear songs on the radio, TV or internet. The listener does not pay unless it's a music/juke box but those don't exist except in rare retro environments.
DJ's pay for their stream and those streaming companies are supposed to pay royalties to the artist as per their contract. DJ's in SL, since there are no advertisers or very few (ad boards for some), DJ's and staff work for tips. SL music mostly is paid for plus I thought MEDIA/SOUND only takes certain URLS but I need a pro to clarify that URL thing. But, what I'm saying is the music in SL when a DJ is playing it is already paid, or the club is paying for their own stream which is legal as far as I know. DJ's work for tips to help cover their costs.
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On 6/11/2021 at 9:18 AM, Luna Bliss said:
We seriously need to tackle climate change. I'm relieved to discover brilliant governmental officials in The U.S. who will lead the way:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/09/texas-republican-louie-gohmert-climate-change
* But on a serious note, are you worried about climate change? And do you believe there is a solution?
Yes at times worried and at other times I'm just trying to live life in this "covid" world at the present time and hoping we can "beat" the variants. But, yes...worried.
A solution? I haven't read the thread yet but I sure do hope so and we are all in this together no matter how much governments try to blame the other it's still most governments who need to get their act together as they have more power than we do, no pun intended. We are the little people, the worker bees, born into this mess in many ways. We are a product of our environment and that's how we learn. My family is a hit, miss or OCD type of recycler, with all kinds of recyclers in my family. I'm moderately good at recycling.
I wish I had more positive to add but I have been very busy currently.
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29 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:
LL has and is complying with international laws.
Just 3 letters VAT.
Not noticeable for US customers, but all Europeans can sing you a song about it.
Nothing yada, yada about it. US companies have to comply international rules if they offer services to international customers over the Internet. If they don't do so, they have to shut down their service for Europeans.VAT is one thing...I'm speaking more of varying laws mostly as pertain to ethics.
18 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:Yup, in the NL radio and TV are strictly broadcasted for private use.
Doesn't matter if you play national, commercial or foreign radio or TV stations.
Everything in a commercial setting needs a commercial license (depending on the amount of average listeners/viewers).The radio/TV/internet station has the broadcasting license in America. However, far too much American music and other products have been stolen for years/decades overseas with monies going entirely to someone other than the maker/makers or royalty holders of the actual product.
So, in essence, you are saying in the Netherlands, commercial businesses are playing music for free and not using a license thus no one is allowed to hear it? Well, if they'd pay for the license, they could play it.
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24 minutes ago, Sid Nagy said:
How can I as a customer know if a gig is licensed properly or not and how and from which country he/she is streaming?
The one who streams is responsible, not the one who listens IMHO.
Not the patient gets the bill and or fine but the dentist.And of course Innula is right that chances are not that big that someone will check SL.
Question is, are you as streaming person willing to take them?
Ask the DJ then. I've never been paranoid like this but still if you are paranoid, then don't listen ever . Most of SL and SLer's are on the up and up if want my opinion. They pay for their stream.
13 minutes ago, Alwin Alcott said:Think "you" have problems enough to solve, "you" babysit nothing in the world, that time is gone.
This is an American business. In other threads I've seen posters saying "but Second Life must adhere to our laws, yada, yada". SL may compromise and keep others out of certain areas, but yes, some countries, with this American business, seem to think SL has to answer to their laws. Again, SL may compromise by keeping you out but it is your countries responsibilities to enforce their laws, not for American companies to babysit other countries laws. I think SL should put something in their TOS such as if anything is in violation of your countries laws, you are solely responsible for signing on.
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3 hours ago, Sid Nagy said:
There is a recent thread about all that. How to dj legally in SL.
I still haven't found a possibility that covers a license to stream all over the world as would be required for SL, because you never know where your audience comes from. Not even ridiculous high prized (in regard to SL streaming) internet streaming licenses have world wide coverage. A license for the US is not covering guests from Europe or Asia etc.
So basically my guess: Streaming legal is impossible or very hard to sort out.
I have my doubts if it is possible at all.LL states clearly that licensing is not their responsibility in their TOS in an effort to cover their back.
But if that is enough to hold in court, I don't know, they provide the opportunity ....
But I guess the LL layers had a say in the TOS.The problem with other countries saying one thing or another is illegal according to them should not be America's problem though.
If it's illegal in your country, I have to ask myself what are you doing here? In other words, why isn't YOUR country blocking you from having access to that which is illegal? We cannot "babysit" every country in the world. If it's your countries laws, it should solely be your countries problem to enforce.
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1 hour ago, Coffee Pancake said:
It takes what we know, and then places a rampaging conspiracy theory next to it in the hopes that a little legitimacy rubs off.
This is how you get ancient aliens.
I glanced over the article and it states "earlier cases" and nothing else about the earlier cases.
I think China withholding information on the earlier cases has led to the conspiracy theories. China needs to give out more information on the earliest cases, not their names. I'm not talking about names. I'm talking about important, vital information.
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5 hours ago, Arielle Popstar said:
I suspect it is a ploy to divert attention away from it being at war with itself.
No, it takes a long time to get proof of these things especially from a country that had itself sealed up for a long time and/or is a problem child in that it does not communicate, look at the information it's given out about the first coronavirus cases as it may as well be counted as no information.
But here is the log again wherein people are blind, it's China and Taiwan that are at war with itself. Geesh, read some news besides about Ivermectin.
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2 hours ago, rasterscan said:
Anyone else miss flexi hair and whats the solution ?
I still buy it from time to time. It's available on MP under the category FLEXI HAIR - go to Hair first, when Women's and you should find it.
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7 hours ago, RunawayBunny said:
China is opposite of America..
- America supports individual thinking..
- China support social thinking.
Both methods have ups and downs.
I never hear China start any war in middle Asia (or anywhere).. but some other country do it many times (every 4-5 year) just for oil companies.
And you think its something new? Those people remnants of my people old Turks, debate going for long time with no result. I am not defending China's actions against them.
Question is.. why USA decided bring it up now? Answer is simple they only bring up when it is beneficial for politics but they will bury if it is not beneficial.
The thing is Bunny, China has a huge log in their own eye and it does not matter who brings it up when or where that is merely shifting blame into total nonsensical thinking instead of being honest and saying China needs to do something about this because being accused of crimes against humanity is a big deal. So, deal with your log in your eyes and then you can see where to help others.
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Are we all being too nice ?
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Are we being too nice?
I feel that some of the "forumites" would like us to be nicey-nicey which translates to not be controversial.
That does stifle free speech a bit here.
However, I did not come to SL nor to go inworld to be mean in any way. As a matter of fact, I feel mean people suck and the thing I dislike most about SL are the griefers.