Beardypops

I guess we have had 2 different experiences in this area then, and will have to agree to disagree. Thanks for your help.

Thanknyou for those thoughts, Whirly.

I actually just asked a friend of mine who has also been on SL since 2007, and they comfirmed that it was allowed back then, but LL ran into so many problems with it, that they finally disallowed it, which was what I was told when I asked about it in 2010 time frame. They also reminded me of how difficult it was to actually remove an rlv enabled collar back then.

You’re right, I did keep coming back to HUDS and scripts, because a “griefer viewer” never even crossed my mind as existing. But you are saying even the victim would have to have that installed? That is definitely not the case in this situation. So, that eases my mind that it’s not possible in this situation. Regarding the home being found, this individual has NOTHING in their profile that would lead anyone to their home. So, I am completely gobstopped at how it was found without the use of some kind of tracking device, thus my thinking of a HUD or script. Which then led me to wonder if there might also be something still in existence that would allow someone to sort of hack into another user’s IM’s.

Well, I guess I did make an assumption then about the ToS. I just remember that in 2007 & 2008 when I was first on SL, you could have IM’s readable by a collar owner via RLV permissions. I dinstinctly remember asking someone about it, who has used collars longer than I have if that were still possible, in 2010 because I remember it being the case from my 1st 2 yrs on SL and being told that they had stopped allowing it.

Correct. It was possible before 2009. i started SL in 2007. At that time it was possible. Then somewhere between that time and 2009, they changed ToS and made that functionality “illegal.” So, i guess my math is wrong in how many years ago this was. I was just thinking I’ve been in SL 11 yrs as of last October, so it had to be 8-9 yrs ago. But it is 2019 now, so 2007-2009 is 10+ yrs ago.

Well, you werent the one being condescended to. So i am sure it seemed fine to you. 😃

Correct. It used to be allowed, they changed ToS and made it “illegal” in SL 8-9 yrs ago. But my only point in bringing that up is, this used to exist. So at one point in time, it was possible to read someone’s IM’s. Is it possible that back then, some hud or script might have been created that is still in people’s inventories that would still be able to do that regardless of it being against ToS or not.

And a griefer viewer makes sense to me. Thank you for that. That is something Indid not know existed and it is possible that is what was used in this situation. That’s all my question is...has it ever been possible and is it still possible that some of these tools created in the earlier days of SL could still be used even though they now go against ToS.

One individual was kind of an arse in their response, actually. And that was to whom i was responding.

You probably missed my edit. I said it may not have been the current spy app, but there was an app at one point in time back around 2007-2008 that did have that functionality

It’s not information I “got” i remember when it had that functionality. Maybe it wasnt that exact app, but there was a very early spy app that did have the functionality

Well, you werent the one I was calling an a**hole so, you were the one that made an assumption. I do appreciate the actual answers I have received. I dont recall making any assumptions, but rather stating things i have experienced or seen and asking questions of the things I dont know. If i have erroneously stated certain things, I am happy oy to be corrected on them. What I dont need though, is for people to start calling me stupid, paranoid or naive.

Ummm yes it did. Rlv used to have the ability for an avatar to grant permissions to another avatar to read their IM’s via the spy app. But maybe you just havent been around long enough to know this. This kind of response is EXACTLY why I am asking these questions. Because some of you clearly havent been on SL long enough to know wtf you are talking about and just assume that because it doesnt happen now, that it never happened. Believe me it did. I was there.

Well, it seems that way when I ask a question and people start talking to me like I’m stupid for asking them and calling me paranoid. Many people have actually attempted to help me to understand how it all works ans 3 of you habe chosen to condescend to me and say things like I am naive and paramoid instead of offering answers to my questions. Oh and then there’s the haxors comment CoffeeDuJour threw out there...so you do the math since you know so much.

What conclusions? Again, i am asking questions because I dont know the answers. It’s great that you know everything, but not all of us do. So, not sure why I am suddenly being attacked by people for trying to understand what I have admitted I dont.

Yes.....

Or it’s just simply someone trying to understand the technology who has been around long enough to know that people have created nefarious tools in the past. I am not sure why my questions and attempts to understand the technology has sparked you into responding to me like an a**hole. If you dont ask, you cant learn. And maybe I am paranoid, but I have seen enough things to make me question. Still dont see what is wrong with trying to understand how it all works to keep myself from wondering.

Well, and that’s kind of my point. It’s all well and good to sit there in your little “it cant happen”’ safety zones, but SL has been around for 15 years and people have made a ton of huds and scripts and other nefarious things to grief and spy on people that are officially “outlawed,” but if you still have it in your inventory, who is to say you cant still use it...megaprims anyone? You may not be able to buy them, but you can sure af still rez them!! I’m with Whirly on this, just because you cant buy it now, doesnt mean it never existed and cant still be used...

Thank you, Captain Obvious >.> clearly I dont know how it all works, or I wouldnt have asked. But I am not just going to sit here and trust that nothing has ever been created in the last 15 yrs that was able to do it. RLV “used” to be able to read people’s IM’s. Who is to say back then, nothing was created that could do it apart from granting permission. So I don’t necessarily believe the system is as impenetrable as everyone claims, just because people “think” it is. I know IM’s used to be sent in plain text, is that why RLV worked that way in the past? Did end to end encryption make it impossible for these types of items to work? That’s all I’m trying to find out. I fail to see how it makes me naive for attempting to ask people who know more about how it all works than I do. I’m sorry if I am not willing to just blindly trust simply because items that were created 10-15 yrs ago, have been banned for current sale, and just trust that means they can no longer be used. Maybe that’s how your world operates, but it sure isn’t my experience. Maybe you should check your definition of the word naive.

Okay, thank you all for your responses. I thought that was the case, but just wanted conclusive answers to a few of these things. Consider this post closed.

“Not without scripts?” What about using them to find someone’s location in SL? I’ve seen people find the SL home of someone they have no ties to at all

What about using them to find someone’s location in SL? I’ve seen people find the SL home of someone they have no ties to at all

I am wondering if it is at all possible, apart from a key logger, to hack someone’s IM’s in SL. Are there any black market huds out there for example that someone might use, or any griefer kind of tools that may be banned officially but someone could use to read your IM’s? I’ve searched around various forum posts and no one has mentioned things like huds or scripts that a person might have, where they could accomplish such a thing. I am asking because i have recently seen proof of people doing things that I didnt even know were possible in SL and the only explanation I can see would be huds or tools of some kind, so now I’m wondering just what is truly private if someone has the right tools?